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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:28:22 PM EDT
Posted about leaving my TC omega stainless barrel smoke stick un-cleaned for a year.  Will see later if it's totally screwed after soaking for a few days.

I wouldn't mind buying a new muzzleloader anyway so thought I'd ask y'all.

Going to use 777 pellets, Remington kleenbore primers since I already have em.

Thumbhole stock preffered.

Whatcha got, what should I buy?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 6:38:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 6:45:06 PM EDT
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Rem 700
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My dad had one of those, it fired when I closed the bolt.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 6:55:21 PM EDT
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My dad had one of those, it fired when I closed the bolt.
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My dad had one of those, it fired when I closed the bolt.
Oops!  Yeah, don't need that problem.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 7:02:20 PM EDT
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Rem 700 MZ, send it to Luke at arrowhead sports and have him do a smokeless conversion. You will never need another mz!
ETA, that link posted above is for the newest version of remingtons mz. For the same money that one costs, you can pick up one of the old original 700 mzs, (200 bucks or so) send it to luke for a pacnor stainless 45 bbl, a new bolt nose, new breechplug to the tune of 800 bucks or so and have a hell of a lot better gun than you can buy anywhere!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 7:20:56 PM EDT
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Very hard to beat a TC Encore with a .50 cal blackpowder muzzleloader barrel.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 7:47:15 PM EDT
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Probably not the cheapest options, but barrels are replaceable.  That said, most of the people I know who do that do it to change twist rates.  Patch and ball (competition) require much slower twist than most current barrels designed for bullets 
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:00:10 PM EDT
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Hard to beat TC Muzzle loaders. Ditch the pellets and those primers however. Go with Blackhorn 209 and CCI209M primers. You'll thank me later.

With the pellets you get a couple of shots with out being able to get a round down the barrel. With BH209 I can shoot all day and not have to swab between shots with out a loss of accuracy. Plus you can tune loads a lot better with lose powder.


J-
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:02:57 PM EDT
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I have one muzzleloader, a Traditions Ultralight. Solid gun, weighs 5 pounds, 26" barrel. Paid $160 for it NIB on sale a few years ago.

Whatever you pick, try Blackhorn 209 with a standard shotgun primer.

Once you go Black(horn) you'll never go back.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:09:08 PM EDT
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Look at Thompson Center, CVA, or Traditions depending on budget and features you are looking for.  Thompson Center has a new hammerless muzzleloader that is a good looking rifle.  Pick up some Blackhorn 209 powder and CCI 209 Magnum or Federal 209A primers depending on what your gun likes.  Blackhorn is a lot easier to clean up than Triple Seven.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 11:56:18 AM EDT
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A local  gun shop recommended the Traditions Vortec.

I thought Traditions was a low level black powder gun manufacturer.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:10:41 PM EDT
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Stick with T/C and get an Encore. Barrel swap to centerfire is kinda nice. I'd also get away from the pellets. Get a couple of speedloaders & use American Pioneer loose powder. I think you'll see more consistent accuracy.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:13:52 PM EDT
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Stick with T/C and get an Encore. Barrel swap to centerfire is kinda nice. I'd also get away from the pellets. Get a couple of speedloaders & use American Pioneer loose powder. I think you'll see more consistent accuracy.
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I wanted to stay with TC, but I do not need interchangeable barrels.  I'm pretty well covered on the centerfire front.  I like the pistol'ish grip of the Encore.  Spendy, though.  How accurate do you have to be measuring powder?  I've only used pellets.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:19:57 PM EDT
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Goex 2F
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:22:20 PM EDT
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I use a traditions northwest model, I loved that thing.

No scope/exposed primers required in WA, etc

I use 777 (loose powder) and have never had a misfire outside of the range where I was shooting dozens of lead balls and not doing any cleaning.

ETA: I also have not tried bh209 because we can't use 209 primers here for ml season. I use musket caps. Nothing too modern, which is kind of the way it should be.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:23:21 PM EDT
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Hard to beat TC Muzzle loaders. Ditch the pellets and those primers however. Go with Blackhorn 209 and CCI209M primers. You'll thank me later.

With the pellets you get a couple of shots with out being able to get a round down the barrel. With BH209 I can shoot all day and not have to swab between shots with out a loss of accuracy. Plus you can tune loads a lot better with lose powder.


J-
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Best advice you will ever get about a muzzleloader!!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:31:34 PM EDT
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Hard to beat TC Muzzle loaders. Ditch the pellets and those primers however. Go with Blackhorn 209 and CCI209M primers. You'll thank me later.

With the pellets you get a couple of shots with out being able to get a round down the barrel. With BH209 I can shoot all day and not have to swab between shots with out a loss of accuracy. Plus you can tune loads a lot better with lose powder.


J-
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This is spot on about the Blackhorn 209 and 209 primers.  Tossed out the pellets after trying it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:31:49 PM EDT
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Be an Alpha, get a flintlock.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:36:58 PM EDT
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I wanted to stay with TC, but I do not need interchangeable barrels.  I'm pretty well covered on the centerfire front.  I like the pistol'ish grip of the Encore.  Spendy, though.  How accurate do you have to be measuring powder?  I've only used pellets.
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Yep, the Encore feels pretty good. I have the older Pre-Pro Hunter version. I found the powder measure/loader I'll link below to be just fine for measuring and loading. Just tap it a couple of times to settle the powder. I wasn't near max loads, as around 110 - 120 grains was plenty of punch with nice accuracy with Powerbelt bullets.

I think your current SS barrel will be fine though.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/CVA-MUZZELLOADER-SPEEDLOADER/1978105.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D734095080%26CQ_search%3Dblack%2Bpowder%2Bspeed%2Bloader
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:38:08 PM EDT
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T/C Impact and Blackhorn 209. Cheap, accurate, and easy to clean.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:51:47 PM EDT
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I have a cva accura2. I like it. It has a bergara barrel.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 12:56:25 PM EDT
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Encore pro hunter


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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 1:06:39 PM EDT
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By modern muzzleloader you mean a rifle that uses them newfangled caps instead of the flint like God intended?
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 1:12:42 PM EDT
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I have a NEF muzzle loader barrel for my old single shot shot gun.

I ditched the stupid original cap holder setup and put an aftermarket breech plug in, I also got an aft market ramrod.

The think shoots great, is easy to clean and only cost me $50.

It's too bad they don't make them anymore.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:19:20 PM EDT
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By modern muzzleloader you mean a rifle that uses them newfangled caps instead of the flint like God intended?
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Ayup!
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:21:34 PM EDT
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Encore pro hunter


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Great looking muzzleloader.  Cowboy boots in NY!!!?  Craziness!
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:23:09 PM EDT
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If you couldn't keep the last one clean, don't waste your money.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:26:15 PM EDT
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T/C Impact and Blackhorn 209. Cheap, accurate, and easy to clean.
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The first proper answer in the whole muck.

If'n yooz ain't going true BP...

Blackhorn 209 is the only proper answer.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:26:57 PM EDT
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I have one muzzleloader, a Traditions Ultralight. Solid gun, weighs 5 pounds, 26" barrel. Paid $160 for it NIB on sale a few years ago.

Whatever you pick, try Blackhorn 209 with a standard shotgun primer.

Once you go Black(horn) you'll never go back.
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Blackhorn is the best. I called TC after I had a hard time pushing a second sabot down the barrel of my Omega. They recommended switching to Blackhorn because it leaves almost no residue. I haven't had a problem since.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:32:54 PM EDT
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Yep, the Encore feels pretty good. I have the older Pre-Pro Hunter version. I found the powder measure/loader I'll link below to be just fine for measuring and loading. Just tap it a couple of times to settle the powder. I wasn't near max loads, as around 110 - 120 grains was plenty of punch with nice accuracy with Powerbelt bullets.

I think your current SS barrel will be fine though.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/CVA-MUZZELLOADER-SPEEDLOADER/1978105.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D734095080%26CQ_search%3Dblack%2Bpowder%2Bspeed%2Bloader
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I hope it will be fine.  Soaked the barrel with that pink soapy stuff from TC for a week.  Working on it now for 3 hours and it's looking better.  Going to test fire in a bit to see if it'll shoot like it did before.

No doubt those pellets are dirty as all hell, but the combo of 3 777 pellets, Remington kleanbore 209 primer,, topped off with a Barnes 250 grain TMZ  are 100 yard 3 shot cloverleaf if i do my job.

The whole "if it ain't broke" thing.  I'll report back
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:38:14 PM EDT
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If you couldn't keep the last one clean, don't waste your money.
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Sorry about letting you down .  

It was a mistake.... never had one of those, did ya.?  

All good, thanks for your recommendation.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 2:43:54 PM EDT
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Quite trying to reinvent the wheel and sell your soul to the devil. Repent and use the Holy Black as God intended. Easy cleanup with hot water and dish soap
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:36:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:49:27 PM EDT
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It does OK...Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:53:27 PM EDT
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CVA Accura or Optima V2 are offered in thumbhole stocks.

I really like my Accura Mountain Rifle but no thumbhole stick on this model.

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Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:54:23 PM EDT
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A modest place holder.  
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 3:56:59 PM EDT
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Best advice you will ever get about a muzzleloader!!!
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Hard to beat TC Muzzle loaders. Ditch the pellets and those primers however. Go with Blackhorn 209 and CCI209M primers. You'll thank me later.

With the pellets you get a couple of shots with out being able to get a round down the barrel. With BH209 I can shoot all day and not have to swab between shots with out a loss of accuracy. Plus you can tune loads a lot better with lose powder.


J-
Best advice you will ever get about a muzzleloader!!!
Another +1 for BH209.  

Yes, a little more work as you can't use pellets and need to measure charges.  

However, you have the potential for much better accuracy and once your load is dialed in it's easy to premeasure some loads from the comfort of your bench.
Link Posted: 8/26/2017 8:40:48 PM EDT
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Savage 10-MLII smokeless muzzle loader.

Launch your 300 grain projectile at 2,300 fps with no smoke and no fouling.
Link Posted: 8/27/2017 4:48:41 PM EDT
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Somehow , someway the barrel wasn't trashed.  Took 3 hours of cleaning but it worked.  2 shots at 100 yards were right on the money.  Thanks for the suggestions.
Link Posted: 8/27/2017 6:48:40 PM EDT
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Nice. Thanks looks like my 100yard group (bottom target) with my tc triumph, 110grn Bh209, CCI209M primers, harvester black short sabots and 300grn XTPs.

J-
Link Posted: 8/27/2017 7:00:54 PM EDT
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Savage 10-MLII smokeless muzzle loader.

Launch your 300 grain projectile at 2,300 fps with no smoke and no fouling.
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I have one these and it is pretty awesome!  Too bad they discontinued them as it is great switch hitting with it.
Link Posted: 8/27/2017 7:03:46 PM EDT
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Savage 10-MLII smokeless muzzle loader.

Launch your 300 grain projectile at 2,300 fps with no smoke and no fouling.
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Yup
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