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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:43:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 1:44:29 PM EDT by Notched]
"In 2002, Mitt Romney stated in a debate that he supported the tough gun laws in Massachusetts and that he believed they help protect us and keep us safe. He vowed not to chip away at those laws. After being elected Governor, Romney fulfilled this commitment by signing a state-wide continuation of the assault weapons ban. He noted that such weapons were made for killing only and have no place in Massachusetts."

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Governor/Massachusetts/Mitt_Romney/views/The_Second_Amendment/

if folks that like ron paul are moonbats... what do we call folks who like THIS ASS?


asshats?


Q: what do you call your friend that works in the gun biz and wants to see mitt in office?

A: if mitt gets in and pulls his usual crap, you DON'T call him, you take your business somewhere else.




dont care if dupe
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:49:36 PM EDT
I agree.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!

I don't care if the person I vote for has no chance in hell of winning but I refuse to vote for that guy.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:50:43 PM EDT
I'll vote for Bill Clinton before I vote for that dude.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:52:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 1:52:46 PM EDT by HardShell]
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:52:31 PM EDT
Just stop it already. If you want to vote Obama then just do it.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:52:57 PM EDT

Mittens never had a chance of getting my vote, and neither does Paul.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:53:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 1:54:22 PM EDT by jacuzz1]
I cannot believe I am saying this but Ron Paul is starting look good. Somebody talk me out of this. Where is Marco Rubio when we need him?
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:53:56 PM EDT
just one of many reasons why i will never vote for this douche.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:54:22 PM EDT
I had such high hopes for this election. Now, I am just sick to my stomach

Maybe a miracle will happen
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:54:30 PM EDT
But...but he's a Republican and all that.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:55:52 PM EDT
I hate Politics.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:56:45 PM EDT
I honestly believe the reason we see so little here, form the GOP faithful, against Mitt, is because y'all (you know who you are) know how bad he is but also know you're going to end up supporting him, and as such, you're afraid to denounce him now because you know you'll support him later.


Mitt scares me far, far worse than Ron Paul, and many, if not most, of the folks here on this baord will vote for him. You know who you are.

If Mitt had bad hair and no appeal to the middle-of-the-road voter, y'all would denounce him worse than Ron Paul. You know it, too.

Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:57:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Notched:


if folks that like ron paul are moonbats... what do we call folks who like THIS ASS?



Call us people who want BHO gone...

Romney is a politician like any other. I don't think he has an agenda against guns, but I also don't think he's 'for' them either. It's just another issue to him. Clearly, the overwhelmingly (D) legislature and constituancy of MA wanted some gun control. Surprise, a politician takes an easy path to glory and love of the voters. With respect to gun control, Romney will have to be watches closely if he wins.

Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:57:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Just stop it already. If you want to vote Obama then just do it.


Exactly....ANYBODY is better than 4 more years of Obummer.

It would cripple my soul to have to vote for Romney....but given no other choice...I'd vote for him before Obummer.

If Obummer gets re-elected....it's the end of this nation.

Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:57:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 1:58:09 PM EDT by gonzo_beyondo]

Originally Posted By Notched:

Romney fulfilled this commitment by signing a state Nation-wide continuation of the assault weapons ban.


It's like a thread from the future, if we're not careful.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 1:59:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:00:48 PM EDT
fuck mitt
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:01:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlashHole:
I had such high hopes for this election. Now, I am just sick to my stomach

Maybe a miracle will happen

Sadly John Bolton isn't running.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:01:45 PM EDT
I don't think Mitt will win. My single vote against him will add to the pile.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:02:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


N0 another AWB say for 20 years are you really that naive ?
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:02:09 PM EDT
I'll vote for 0 before I'll vote for mittens.

At least 0 has a hard time getting the fuckstick R's in congress to go along with his bullshit schemes.

Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:04:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


You're wrong. You keep repeating that if you want, but if we put a Romney in office, we won't have a nation left in 4 years to fix in another election, and even if we did, we would never, ever, EVER see another POTUS more conservative than Romney, because the GOP will have figured out that they can grab the fence-sitters without losing the true conservatives.

I refuse to play along. Do you understand this? You put Romney up; you do not get my vote. It's that simple.


Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:05:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


I've heard the same thing just about every election cycle. Didn't buy it then, not buying it now.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:05:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:06:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Just stop it already. If you want to vote Obama then just do it.


Sell that load of crap elsewhere. It won't fly this time around.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:07:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:07:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
...

Mitt scares me far, far worse than Ron Paul, and many, if not most, of the folks here on this baord will vote for him. You know who you are.

If Mitt had bad hair and no appeal to the middle-of-the-road voter, y'all would denounce him worse than Ron Paul. You know it, too.


Paul concerns me more than Romney, but I won't vote for either one of them in the primary... and I will vote for either one of them in the general against Obama, should one of them win the nomination. This election is first and foremost about the USSC makeup for the next several decades (potentially), more than anything else, and I belive either one (yes, even Mitt) would be better in that regard than Obama, though not better than others who are still in the running.




I respect you and understand where you're coming from, but please understand: I will not vote for Romney. I do not believe 4 years of him would leave us with a USSC in any sort of decent shape because I do not believe we can survive as a nation, rendering USSC worries moot.


Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:08:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jlficken:
I agree.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!

I don't care if the person I vote for has no chance in hell of winning but I refuse to vote for that guy.


Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:08:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jacuzz1:
I cannot believe I am saying this but Ron Paul is starting look good. Somebody talk me out of this. Where is Marco Rubio when we need him?


I concur.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:09:28 PM EDT
And away we go again. It's going to be a long 11 months.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:09:59 PM EDT
i plan to pencil in cain
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:11:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John87:
i plan to pencil in cain

Your lack of capitalization and punctuation told us that already.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:11:35 PM EDT
It has been said here before but it bears repeating:
Mitt is the candidate "they" want you to vote for.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:11:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:18:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 2:19:04 PM EDT by 3rdpig]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


You're wrong. You keep repeating that if you want, but if we put a Romney in office, we won't have a nation left in 4 years to fix in another election, and even if we did, we would never, ever, EVER see another POTUS more conservative than Romney, because the GOP will have figured out that they can grab the fence-sitters without losing the true conservatives.

I refuse to play along. Do you understand this? You put Romney up; you do not get my vote. It's that simple.



Calm down, no one is "putting Romney up" other than Romney. He's got a boatload of money and his friends have even more. He can afford the organization and the television time. He's also ran before and he knows the ropes and his strategy this time around appears to be excellent.

But not one single vote has been cast yet. You've got your panties in a wad over polling, and polling a caucus accurately is nearly impossible.

Romney will be in the race no matter how he does in Iowa because he's got the money to keep going, as does Perry. All the Iowa caucus will do is eliminate those without the funds to continue.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:19:07 PM EDT
I wonder ... what will the NRA do if Romney wins the nomination?

Can they endorse a candidate that signed an assault weapon ban into law?
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:20:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By hunter111:

N0 another AWB say for 20 years are you really that naive ?

USSC appointees that will impact multiple generations. Are you really that naive?

(If Obama gets to replace even one of the 5 Heller/McDonald votes, another AWB could be moot. )
There is merit to both of yalls posts. Both are single serving issues. Getting fuckstick out of the office is the war here.

Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:20:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By stockshift:
I wonder ... what will the NRA do if Romney wins the nomination?

Can they endorse a candidate that signed an assault weapon ban into law?

I would hope not.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:21:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


You're wrong. You keep repeating that if you want, but if we put a Romney in office, we won't have a nation left in 4 years to fix in another election, and even if we did, we would never, ever, EVER see another POTUS more conservative than Romney, because the GOP will have figured out that they can grab the fence-sitters without losing the true conservatives.

I refuse to play along. Do you understand this? You put Romney up; you do not get my vote. It's that simple.



Then you get to stick your head in the sand and pretend that you wont have to adhere to the regulations, hardships, direct laws or assorted other hardships that a lame duck Obama will likely produce.

The truth is that America likes its socialism, and it's not going away anytime soon. However you have the ability to impact the issue of 'how much [socialism] is right'. You get to vote for your choice:

1) Redistributive and social justice based economic and social policy
2) Economic and social policies grounded in the private sector with an eye toward budgetary restraints (I fucking hope)

We know where Obama stands, and we like to think our Republican overlords will actually work towards the 2nd line item. One thing's for sure though, there is no reset to 1840 button. You have wildly underestimated the number of Americans that want entitlements as long as someone else pays for them. They are the primary target of the Democratic campaign machine.


Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:22:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By hunter111:

N0 another AWB say for 20 years are you really that naive ?

USSC appointees that will impact multiple generations. Are you really that naive?

(If Obama gets to replace even one of the 5 Heller/McDonald votes, another AWB could be moot. )


The line in the sand has been drawn for many many many people /The GOP will get the message if they try to force Mitt on the conservatives this election, we will no longer vote for shit because the Dems have shit in place want votes produce good candidates


enough
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:23:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 2:23:58 PM EDT by 3rdpig]

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

I respect you and understand where you're coming from, but please understand: I will not vote for Romney. I do not believe 4 years of him would leave us with a USSC in any sort of decent shape because I do not believe we can survive as a nation, rendering USSC worries moot.


And I disagree WRT the USSC... but I certainly will do so with equal respect, and I don't want Romney, either.

(While I think his appointees would be better than Obama's, I believe they would be only marginally better... party influence notwithstanding.)



Remember Harriet Miers? How much luck did Bush have getting his pet lawyer into the Supreme Court? If Romney wins he'll have the same problem. He'll need the good will of the Republican controlled House and, hopefully, the Republican controlled Senate. He won't get it appointing liberal justices. What he'll get is blocked, not only on that nominee, but on his other agenda items as well.

The only way Mitt as POTUS will get a liberal SCOTUS nominee in place is if he's given a Democrat controlled House and Senate, and it will be up to us to prevent that from happening.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:23:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


You're wrong. You keep repeating that if you want, but if we put a Romney in office, we won't have a nation left in 4 years to fix in another election, and even if we did, we would never, ever, EVER see another POTUS more conservative than Romney, because the GOP will have figured out that they can grab the fence-sitters without losing the true conservatives.

I refuse to play along. Do you understand this? You put Romney up; you do not get my vote. It's that simple.



Pretty much this. I've said it a million times and I'm tired of repeating it, so I'll just quote arowneragain in the next million Romney threads.

Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:26:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Removal of Obama (and his administration) is the primary objective in the '12 election. Gun control is off the legislative radar. Don't allow a judicial backdoor by allowing Obama a shot at more activist lefty judges. Some of you younger dudes would have lost your collective minds in the Clinton years, and would have jumped off a cliff in '68 (well before my time).


THIS. FUCKING THIS.

We can worry about removing whoever we put in office in four years, but right now we need to remember that the lesser of two evils is simply whomever is not obungo and who has the best chance of winning.


You're wrong. You keep repeating that if you want, but if we put a Romney in office, we won't have a nation left in 4 years to fix in another election, and even if we did, we would never, ever, EVER see another POTUS more conservative than Romney, because the GOP will have figured out that they can grab the fence-sitters without losing the true conservatives.

I refuse to play along. Do you understand this? You put Romney up; you do not get my vote. It's that simple.



Pretty much this. I've said it a million times and I'm tired of repeating it, so I'll just quote arowneragain in the next million Romney threads.


There's a spot on the ballot for you folks, it's blank and you can write in anyone you want. Take the high road if it makes you happy, just don't think you're actually achieving anything other than making your own dick hard. Meanwhile, the rest of us will work getting Zero out of office and keeping whatever jackass Republican that gets elected in line.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:28:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I wonder ... what will the NRA do if Romney wins the nomination?

Can they endorse a candidate that signed an assault weapon ban into law?

If they do I will seriously consider cancelling my life membership in the form of a youtube video featuring me burning my member card.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:30:10 PM EDT
Well, fuck, ya'll have opened my eyes!

I'll just vote for the kenyan then.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:31:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Calm down, no one is "putting Romney up" other than Romney.



The gazillions of ,iddle-of-the-road voters who will endorse him and give him the GOP nomination are 'putting him up'.

Every year we get the same 'we didn't put him there' sales pitch from the GOP. No, the GOP as an organization might not 'put him up' but yes, as individuals going to the polls one at a time, they will.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:33:03 PM EDT
I don't care for Mitt, but if it should come down to him and Obama I will vote for Mitt.

I don't see Mitt pushing for an AWB even though I'm certain he would sign one. His selections for Judges and Justices could only be more conservative than Obama's have been to date.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:35:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:


The truth is that America likes its socialism, and it's not going away anytime soon.


If the car likes running hin the ditch, then mark me down as being perfectly OK with taking my hand off the wheel so the socialists can wreck the thing.


Those of us who survive will haul what's left back out to the road and get it going again.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:39:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

I respect you and understand where you're coming from, but please understand: I will not vote for Romney. I do not believe 4 years of him would leave us with a USSC in any sort of decent shape because I do not believe we can survive as a nation, rendering USSC worries moot.


And I disagree WRT the USSC... but I certainly will do so with equal respect, and I don't want Romney, either.

(While I think his appointees would be better than Obama's, I believe they would be only marginally better... party influence notwithstanding.)




sorry, but thats a load of crap. mitt will have no issues selling us down the river. he did once. he'll happily do it again.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:39:08 PM EDT
Let's see...who is more likely to pass an assault weapons ban..second term Obama-or first term Romney?
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:40:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 2:40:53 PM EDT by david_g17]
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=26&t=181243

^ arfcom thread from when it happened.

I think Romney only thought he was passing an assault weapons ban.
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