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Posted: 2/19/2007 1:14:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/19/2007 1:16:14 PM EST by thunderw21]
Mitt Romney stopped by my college this afternoon and we had a chance to ask him some questions. He appears to be fiscally conservative and somewhat socially conservative. But he never mentioned firearms so I asked him this question:

"What are your views on the 2nd Amendment and gun control?" his
Nice contradiction.

"However..." There's always a however. Looks like Romney is a 'Zumbo' who doesn't truly understand the 2nd Amendment or 'assault rifles'. His use of the term 'assault rifle' was so vague, it could have meant almost anything.

So there you have it, Mitt Romney is not a true friend of the 2nd Amendment, as we have already seen with the 1994 AWB. Are there any presidential candidates who truly support our firearm rights?
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 1:45:32 PM EST
Oh man, another "sure I support your right to hunt" candidate. hinking.gif
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 1:56:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/19/2007 1:57:07 PM EST by PhilipPeake]
Did you then remind him that the 2nd amemdment isn't about hunting?

That its about having an armed population ready willing and able to hunt down politicians who go off the rails???
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 6:45:30 PM EST
Look at his own states awb to tell where he stands. He is not our friend.
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 6:54:00 AM EST
Romney and Rudy should pair up and run as Democrats. They would probably win.
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 2:31:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Are there any presidential candidates who truly support our firearm rights?


I think Newt (not in the race yet) Gingrich is our only hope for a pro-2nd candidate who has a chance to win in '08
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 2:33:15 PM EST
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 2:35:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


Hey--watch it-I'm from Mass. j/k I agree-Mass politicians are not friendly to gun owners--no matter what they say.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:06:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:

Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Are there any presidential candidates who truly support our firearm rights?


I think Newt (not in the race yet) Gingrich is our only hope for a pro-2nd candidate who has a chance to win in '08


And Duncan Hunter and Tom Trancredo.

Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:19:47 AM EST
There are no RKBA supporters in Mass state politics. What there are are libs who call themselved Democrats, and libs who call themselves Republicans. They are ALL liars and libs. Outside of Mass, Kali, and other areas behind enemy lines Romney is a flaming libtard. I don't care what he says, since he can't keep a position on anything for more than a day.

How about an analogy to Romney joining the NRA? I join PETA via the internet while I am eating a bloody rare elk steak. I carry my PETA card while I'm blowing Daffy out of the sky. I say "killing animals for food is nasty and I'm not going to do that", as I'm skinning out Bambi.

Also, consider that he was elected Gov in a state which constantly re-elects people like Frank, sKerry, and Ted Kennedy.

Hopefully someone understands that we do not need another lying politican in the White House.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:50:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:51:04 AM EST
When the primary elections settle out....you'll see McCain vs Obama.

Neither will serve our interests well.

Stock up on lower recievers....the end is near and we're all gonna die.

<sip>
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:57:18 AM EST
we are truly fucked

Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:01:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By TxLewis:
we are truly fucked



the focus on AR15.com will be shifting CONSIDERABLY within the next two years.

The legal issues and AWB discussions will previal over the nonsensical terry shiavo type threads. Get your paralegal hat on...because the cold socialistic world of the democrat will soon be upon us.

I'm not admitting defeat, but I am going to prepare for the worst.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:01:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:18:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.

Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:36:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.



I said that!

What should scare em....that PM agrees with Hokie?

Mitt Romney makes my skin crawl. A republican out of Mass is downright frightening.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:49:50 AM EST
He just joined the NRA two weeks ago! Political? I don't trust him.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:03:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By WolfFox:
He just joined the NRA two weeks ago! Political? I don't trust him.


HE SUPPORTS THE AWB. HE SAID SO.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:04:56 AM EST
Work hard for the right guy. Get out there and make sure that your guys win in the primaries! Make comprimises if you must, but get the guy with the best chance of winning the GE in 2008 in the driver's seat. Let the nominee then choose some RINO as a VEEP.

I always liked Colin Powell's definition of good gun control ... a head shot at a 1,000 yds distant tango with a Barrett .50

F
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:17:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By pukindog:
Oh man, another "sure I support your right to hunt" candidate.


My impression as well. I've emailed his office multiple times to get an answer to this question, and never gotten a response. I'm terribly disappointed.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:21:23 AM EST
This man is not going to get the nomination. A Mormon from the northeast? That ought to go over real well in Texas, Florida, etc.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:26:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.



No apology required. If the response from evangelicals at AR15.com is any reflection of the general evangelical perception of the LDS Church, then Romney's faith apparently will be a bigger stumbling block than anything else.

I'm personally just ashamed of Romney's anti-Constitutional stance towards firearms.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:43:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.



No apology required. If the response from evangelicals at AR15.com is any reflection of the general evangelical perception of the LDS Church, then Romney's faith apparently will be a bigger stumbling block than anything else.

I'm personally just ashamed of Romney's anti-Constitutional stance towards firearms.


That's what bothers me too.

I personally don't care if he is a Mormon, though it will hurt him in some parts of the country.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 11:16:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 11:20:25 AM EST by PlaymoreMinds]

Originally Posted By Hokie:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.



I said that!

What should scare em....that PM agrees with Hokie?

Mitt Romney makes my skin crawl. A republican out of Mass is downright frightening.


Actually it's not....If you look thru history, we've had plenty of Republican Governors (Oh, how I wish we had one NOW)...it's simply the way of things to come.
Like it or not...sooner or later we will no longer have died in the blue Dems OR Republicans. They MUST show more Dino and Rino tendencies to offset the voting scales. Political climate is changing...and we have no greenhouse gasses to blame it on: we have our own evolution. There will always be steadfast conservatives and liberals....but they're gonna have to weigh the lesser of 2 evils (meaning pick a Rino or a Dino) alot more in future elections.
Just my opinion, and not really worth a damn...just the way I see our political climate changing.

SHANE: I issued the apology so it was clear I was not Mormon Bashing...didn's want you think I was. FWIW, I watched Maher on Monday on HBO, and he went to bat for CLDS....said that the 43% of the American public who claimed they would not vote for Romney BECAUSE of his faith were despicable: would they even be allowed to say the same of a woman or a black man without getting ??? He thought not, and I agreed...NO newspaper would allow that to be printed without jumping on it...yet Romney's faith is all but smacked around without anyone crying foul. Craig Ferguson was funny as hell. Maher can grate on me, but Ferguson had me

Edited for clarity
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 11:30:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 11:38:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hokie:

Originally Posted By WolfFox:
He just joined the NRA two weeks ago! Political? I don't trust him.

HE SUPPORTS THE AWB. HE SAID SO.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW.

With all the Zumbo BS so close on the heels of this, I wish NRA would reject his application.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 11:56:08 AM EST
Laws about Rifles and handguns should be judged by lawmakers on how scary looking they are.

That is the logical way to do it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 11:59:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 12:06:08 PM EST by liles1977]

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Hokie:
mitt's from mass, what did you expect?


He's actually from Michigan.

WHAT??????!!!!!!!

Look, he'll NEVER get anywhere...Bottom line, his Mormon faith will be his death knell....(my apologies to any Mormons out there) but recent public opinion shows his faith to be a hindrance.
I agree with the poster who said it will come down to Obama and McCain.

And THAT SHOULD scare you.



I said that!

What should scare em....that PM agrees with Hokie?

Mitt Romney makes my skin crawl. A republican out of Mass is downright frightening.


Actually it's not....If you look thru history, we've had plenty of Republican Governors (Oh, how I wish we had one NOW)...it's simply the way of things to come.
Like it or not...sooner or later we will no longer have died in the blue Dems OR Republicans. They MUST show more Dino and Rino tendencies to offset the voting scales. Political climate is changing...and we have no greenhouse gasses to blame it on: we have our own evolution. There will always be steadfast conservatives and liberals....but they're gonna have to weigh the lesser of 2 evils (meaning pick a Rino or a Dino) alot more in future elections.
Just my opinion, and not really worth a damn...just the way I see our political climate changing.

SHANE: I issued the apology so it was clear I was not Mormon Bashing...didn's want you think I was. FWIW, I watched Maher on Monday on HBO, and he went to bat for CLDS....said that the 43% of the American public who claimed they would not vote for Romney BECAUSE of his faith were despicable: would they even be allowed to say the same of a woman or a black man without getting ??? He thought not, and I agreed...NO newspaper would allow that to be printed without jumping on it...yet Romney's faith is all but smacked around without anyone crying foul. Craig Ferguson was funny as hell. Maher can grate on me, but Ferguson had me

Edited for clarity



It is acceptable because one chooses his beliefs, one does not choose his color or gender. Race and gender are immutable characteristics, beliefs are not. Obviously a person cannot change his race or gender (ok, you can sort of change gender, but I'm not talking about peginas here). A person can, however, change his beliefs. Beliefs we adopt, immutable characteristics we are born with. Not the same thing.

As such, it is perfectly acceptable to challenge a candidate's beliefs on any subject, be them secular or religious. The candidate has adopted the belief for his own reasons, and the belief may significantly influence the manner in which the candidate reacts (depending on particular religion involved and level of commitment).

If you happen to be part of the dominant religion, it is a non-issue as the majority accept your beliefs; if not, be prepared for the fall-out, and rightly so. Our representatives should be representative of our beliefs - right or wrong, religious or secular, the majority rules...it is our system.


Link Posted: 2/21/2007 12:28:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By liles1977:


It is acceptable because one chooses his beliefs, one does not choose his color or gender. Race and gender are immutable characteristics, beliefs are not. Obviously a person cannot change his race or gender (ok, you can sort of change gender, but I'm not talking about peginas here). A person can, however, change his beliefs. Beliefs we adopt, immutable characteristics we are born with. Not the same thing.

As such, it is perfectly acceptable to challenge a candidate's beliefs on any subject, be them secular or religious. The candidate has adopted the belief for his own reasons, and the belief may significantly influence the manner in which the candidate reacts (depending on particular religion involved and level of commitment).

If you happen to be part of the dominant religion, it is a non-issue as the majority accept your beliefs; if not, be prepared for the fall-out, and rightly so. Our representatives should be representative of our beliefs - right or wrong, religious or secular, the majority rules...it is our system.





Here's the irony: Members of the LDS faith have proven their patriotism time and again, yet they are rarely given credit for it. In the midst of being forced from their homes in Nauvoo, members of the LDS Church answered the call to serve their country in the war with Mexico. It was even called the Mormon Battalion that served their country.

That's right. They answered the call to defend the nation that had effectively abandoned them in their time of need.

Again, just a few short years after having war declared on the Utah territory (for a supposed uprising that had never occurred) the LDS were actively petitioning to officially join the Union as a state.

Mormons have lived side by side with everyone else for over one hundred years and generally have proven themselves good citizens. Still, it seems that some will never be satisfied.

As for Romney, he is a disappointment to the Republican party in his anti-gun stance, and there is no excuse for it, but that isn't because of his faith.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 9:54:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By liles1977:
It is acceptable because one chooses his beliefs, one does not choose his color or gender. Race and gender are immutable characteristics, beliefs are not. Obviously a person cannot change his race or gender (ok, you can sort of change gender, but I'm not talking about peginas here). A person can, however, change his beliefs. Beliefs we adopt, immutable characteristics we are born with. Not the same thing.

As such, it is perfectly acceptable to challenge a candidate's beliefs on any subject, be them secular or religious. The candidate has adopted the belief for his own reasons, and the belief may significantly influence the manner in which the candidate reacts (depending on particular religion involved and level of commitment).

If you happen to be part of the dominant religion, it is a non-issue as the majority accept your beliefs; if not, be prepared for the fall-out, and rightly so. Our representatives should be representative of our beliefs - right or wrong, religious or secular, the majority rules...it is our system.

Here's the irony: Members of the LDS faith have proven their patriotism time and again, yet they are rarely given credit for it. In the midst of being forced from their homes in Nauvoo, members of the LDS Church answered the call to serve their country in the war with Mexico. It was even called the Mormon Battalion that served their country.

That's right. They answered the call to defend the nation that had effectively abandoned them in their time of need.

Again, just a few short years after having war declared on the Utah territory (for a supposed uprising that had never occurred) the LDS were actively petitioning to officially join the Union as a state.

Mormons have lived side by side with everyone else for over one hundred years and generally have proven themselves good citizens. Still, it seems that some will never be satisfied.

As for Romney, he is a disappointment to the Republican party in his anti-gun stance, and there is no excuse for it, but that isn't because of his faith.

All I have to add to that, Shane, is this:

Red: As much as it pains me to say, Romney is *not* a disappointment to the Republican party. I'm afraid he's yet another horseman of the Apocalype in that regard.

Blue: You've got that right. On the whole (or avg), I am pained to try to think of any religion/sect who is so inline with RKBA.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 8:30:03 PM EST
I'm a Bible thump'n, church go'n, born again, Christian, and the fact that he's a Mormon doesn't bother me at all. I'll be voting for President of my country, not pastor of my church. But I must say his support of AWB really bums me out. Some of my best friend growing up were LDS, and they were a bunch of gun tote'n red blooded Americans like me.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 4:09:05 PM EST
The '08 Elections are going to be interesting to say the least. the Dems fighting for the nomination this early is sort of scary since the ones with the most cash will be the ones who can last this out the ones with the most money Dem or Rep. are not the ones we might want. This HR1022 coming out this early I hope will be a wake up to the gun owners of the Nation to get out and get politically active, the AWB is one thing we need to get stopped right now it is in Judiciary comitee now. If it don't die there then we will be in for another media curcus telivised no doubt, full of the anti mis information and down right lies.
I have looked over the candidates it is sad only Tancredo acctualy comes out for Gun Rights and he didn't give the caviet about assault rifles. Since that is a misnomer and more mis nformaton from the anti's.
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