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Posted: 5/13/2001 4:10:03 AM EDT
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The chip can be programmed with information about the animal, its not for tracking. Such as name, home address and owner's phone number. Basically, if your dog ever wiggles out of his collar and the pound gets him, they scan the back of his neck/shoulders for a chip and if the reader picks it up, they call the number encoded on the chip and say "come get your dog".
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Posted: 5/13/2001 4:16:15 AM EDT
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Also useful as a recovery tool. There are alot fo people who will steal a pure bred, to resell. Just makes it a little easier for you to identify your animal.
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Posted: 5/13/2001 4:43:22 AM EDT
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It's simply to get all of you acclimated to having yourself implated--as in the "mark" from the book of Revelations. Its about ime to wake up and stop taking the Bible as some sort of funny fiction...a time is coming when everything you do will be mandated and controled and this scripture only gives one way of escape..
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Posted: 5/13/2001 4:55:51 AM EDT
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Car54:
Last Thanksgiving I was at my inlaws for dinner. Their very liberal neighbors were there as well. We were discussing the new Golden Retriever pup we had just picked up from the breeder, and I mentioned that he was already chipped. The neighbors absolutely wet themselves over this, telling all of us what a wonderful idea, and that all newborn humans should be implanted as well, in order to keep track of them. [puke] I'm sure they would like to see my nasty AR taken from me too. [pissed] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 5:32:07 AM EDT
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My cat has one of those identification microchip tags implanted in the fatty part at the back of her head/neck area. It doesn't effect them at all. My cat hates collars so I wanted to have some type of I.D. tag on her in case she got lost. She ended up to be an indoor cat, so I kinda wasted my money for it.
Most authorities are supposed to have devices that read these chips and run this device over lost pets to see if they are carrying this ID chip. I payed about $25 for it a few years ago. I plan on getting a dog and probably be considering "chipping" it also just in case outside collars and tags are separated from the dog. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 5:40:27 AM EDT
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sxp1
When I chipped my dogs several years ago, there where 2 or 3 different competing products. Vets had readers for all the products. No signal is beamed to "The Authorities", but basic info is available thru the reader. It would be important to keep the info current. If you move & lose Fido, it doesn't do any good to notify the wrong people where he is. As a side note, buy your dog from a breeder, and not a pet shop. The pup will have been socialised, and had enough time with mom to learn manners. Also your new dog won't be the result of a Puppy Mill. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:00:35 AM EDT
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anyone who has "chipped" their dog for the feeling of knowing that if it gets lost or stolen, has a false sense of security.
the chip can be removed by a dog thief fairly easy. then what? not only out the dog, but what if anything will the installers of the chip do to help get your dog/cat back? what i do for dog owners is to tattoo some form of id # on the inside of their thigh. this #, usually the last 4 digits of the owners SS#. it is a one of # and and since it is permanent, short of a fairly noticable scare, is visible to anyone who looks. thus you have a one of #, that is easy to prove that the animal in ? is yours. the cost (by me) to do is low and a fair amount of dog owners do it as a backup to the chip. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:19:26 AM EDT
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jim
Good point! I did the tattoo as a backup on my IW. I still think the Microchip is valid. Not every bad guy will know where it is or have access to readers to check for one. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:34:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's simply to get all of you acclimated to having yourself implated--as in the "mark" from the book of Revelations. The mark in Revelations is a spiritual mark that is "IN" the hand and forehead. I.e.: actions and thoughts, hence spiritual. The physical marks that we see nowadays (chips, etc…) are the physical manifestation of Satan’s spiritual work. In a sense you are correct car54, but taking on that spiritual mark can be avoided. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:37:42 AM EDT
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Just get a fence and a harness and leash.
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:50:22 AM EDT
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when my son's new pup came, we were overjoyed. after i installed the batteries in the receptacle, our joy was boundless! the goddamned thing's eyes lit up and started barking !! thank god for those microchips!!
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:55:26 AM EDT
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Go to www.DigitalAngel.com for more information. They want to implant this nonsense in pets, small children, soldiers.
Simply movement control technology. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:11:22 AM EDT
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They always havesaid that puppies and cats can sell anything. If you love it in your pet, wait till they try to shove it into you or your children. What better way is there then start with the dog to get you to accept the idea, and then proceed up the food chain. Hell, even with the info that they have on it for the dog, it still personal info, and if someone scans your animal they know about you. Screw the idea. Get a fence.
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:11:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just get a fence and a harness and leash. My dog climbed straight over a 5' chain link fence chasing after a squirrel last week. Technology has its limits. [;)] -Michael Pelletier. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 8:35:30 AM EDT
[#15]
As an animal control officer I like the chips. Mostly, if we have a dog for the legal time limit and no one claims it, and the dog is slated for euthanasia, the vet can scan it before we put it down. If someone has gone to the trouble of "chipping" the dog, they will get their dog back.
As for removal by thieves, even a tattoo is easily removed. If someone is really out to steal your dog, he will probably get away with it. There is no substitute for being with your pet when he is outside, or having him in the house when you can't watch him. Not foolproof, but cuts down the odds of bad stuff happening. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 8:58:38 AM EDT
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Gwalchmai Hit the nail right on the head as far as almost all pet stores buy from puppy mills and not from breeder who take the time and effort to breed good physical and mentally stable dogs. I train dogs for police use in drug work, protection and tracking as a second job. I also do allot of obedience training and behavior modification and puppy mills keep me very busy trying to just make some of these dogs sociable also make me extra $$ for gun purchases. Choose your breed. Find the best known breeder in your area and pay the extra bucks remember it is a 8 to 10 year commitment. Buy a dog that gives you the best chance at getting the dog that is best for you and not a dog who comes from a breeder who is into mass production.
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Posted: 5/13/2001 9:06:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Go to www.DigitalAngel.com for more information. They want to implant this nonsense in pets, small children, soldiers. Simply movement control technology. Uhm? All I get is some gothic, industrial internet radio site. And they can't even spell "internet" in the title of their page. What a waste of time. -Gloftoe |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 9:43:31 AM EDT
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I think some of your tinfoil hats are a little too snug.... [:P]
Horses have been getting freeze-branded, branded and lip tattooed for years. All of these can be falsified and you must have access to a database to locate the animal's owner. That's one of the reasons a lot of horses are now getting microchipped. Cattle, hogs and sheep get ear tags or branded. But both can be duplicated and ear tags fall off. Why not chip your personal pet if you are concerned? [i]It's for identification purposes, not some freakin' GPS device.[/i] For all of the stray animals I have run across in my life, both personally and during volunteer work at the animal shelter, I WISH it was as simple as swiping an animal to locate the owner. In some cases, though, it wouldn't be to return the animal but to beat the crap out of them. [:(!] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 10:38:25 AM EDT
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lets put this in another prespective.
it all sounds like a can of peaches right now, but would you like one of those damn things in your kid, or even yourself. i shure as hell wouldn't... |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 10:48:04 AM EDT
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Miss Magnum, not to take offense with you personally, just the IDEAS you put forth. You haven't trained your eyes to see yet. In the same way that these chips can track lost "pets" they tracked all the Jews in the camps (numbers on their arms), Imean to the folks that ran the camps, the Jews were "pets" as well, right.
No matter how you label it--convenient, safe, handy, etc, it's origin lies in the end of humanity and liberty. "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." Dante's Inferno "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 10:57:41 AM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By Boom Stick: Quoted: It's simply to get all of you acclimated to having yourself implated--as in the "mark" from the book of Revelations. The mark in Revelations is a spiritual mark that is "IN" the hand and forehead. I.e.: actions and thoughts, hence spiritual. The physical marks that we see nowadays (chips, etc…) are the physical manifestation of Satan’s spiritual work. In a sense you are correct car54, but taking on that spiritual mark can be avoided. Noway, it is an actual number probally a micro chip. The bible says you will not be able to buy or sell without the mark.It will take on a spiritual relm but it is going to be physical. I agree with the first post about this is just getting you accustomed to a mark. The time is at hand. I heard of this but didn't know it was inforce. I heard the military was experimenting with a microchip in elite forces and they called it the mark. I don't know if that is true but it wouldn't surprise me. People Jesus is coming back. Look out cause anti christ is coming to town also. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 11:46:24 AM EDT
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Quoted:In the same way that these chips can track lost "pets" they tracked all the Jews in the camps (numbers on their arms), Imean to the folks that ran the camps, the Jews were "pets" as well, right. Slaves were branded as well. This concept is not new. But in every instance it was to assert ownership. I don't know about you, but I am not "owned" by the government and still have a right to say what will or will not be put in my body. I understand your initial premise but you are arguing on a slippery slope and that requires a certain level of paranoia that I refuse to live under. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 12:03:24 PM EDT
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here's the truth about chipping your pet-
i work in a vet clinic and we chip dogs pretty often...it would be a pain in the ass to try and remove one of those because you have to find it first, sometimes they move around under the skin so they are not always in the same place...they used to tatto #s on the insides of dogs ears but people just cut their ears off, mostly for animal research, not to resell. the ONLY thing on the chip is a number!!! it's kind of long, like a social security number. you usually get a yellow plastic tag to go on the collar when your dog gets chipped. we scan them with a little remote and then you call in the number to the company if say you lost your dog hunting in north dakota or something...you fill out a piece of paper with some phone # and address and stuff so they know where to call if they pick your dog up. enough with the biblical dogma...it's rediculous to think that a cheap safety measure like this has anything to do with the end of the world or whatever else people can dream up. i know if i paid 2k for a hunting dog i would get him chipped. the only other thing he would have for id besides a chip would be the rabies tag#. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 12:03:43 PM EDT
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I used to have this evil bitch of a Landlady who would turn my Dalmatian loose out of the backyard where I rented because she wanted me to move out. (She didnt like me, I was 1. White and 2. Had guns.)
Twice the dog got picked up by Animal Control and I only got him back because of the chip he had. The other time some non-english speaking doofus had "adopted" him, removed his collar and were it not for the ballsy "snatch and grab" retrieval of a fellow I met when I was out looking for the dog, I woudn't have gotten him back that time. I still hope that bitch rots in hell. D. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 12:25:22 PM EDT
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Miss Magnum, as for paranoia, I will attach the following quote. Again, not a knock on you personally, only on the mental blinders you have become accustomed to.
There is no such thing as paranoia, only ignorance of the true nature of things. -- Hunter S. Thompson |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 1:01:54 PM EDT
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When I was in the Army, the Provost Marshall required everyone with a dog or cat on base to get a chip implanted. It was nice to get your dog back if he got out, but they always gave a big fat ticket when you went to pick old Rover's butt out of doggy jail!
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Posted: 5/13/2001 2:06:45 PM EDT
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I am also an Animal Control Officer and the Mircochip is the best proof of ownership you can have. The chip has no power and the scanner has to be around 4 to 8 inches away from the animal, to read the chip. Also the company that make the chips give the scanners to Animal Control and Shelters, I have one in my unit at all times. The chip , when scanned will only read out a number and then you have to call a 1-800 number and still most of the time they will not give out the owner's information. You have to leave the finder's information and they will call the owner for you.
The chip can not track lost pets, but only help to return lost pets and to proof ownership. Chips can not be removed and most people do not know that the animal has been chipped. Tattoo numbers can not be transferred to new owners, but with the right paper work you can transfer the chip. Also have you ever tried to look in the mouth or under the rear legs of a mean dog! On a side note, the city I work for has a policy, that if we pick up a animal at large that is wearing a current pet license. We try to take home the animal, with out fees or citations. But it is only good for 1 time per 6 months. [red]Reddobie[/red] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 2:11:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Kolchak
I did not know that there was any other ACO on the site. Have you checke out acofunstop, yet. It a good place for ACO to go. [beer] [red]Reddobie[/red] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 2:12:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Wow, interesting topic for AR15.com. Anyway, I just got my dog chipped recently because I know if he got loose somehow and someone found him or the pound I would want him back. After all he is a member of the family. Someone here mentioned that a thief could just pull the chip out. I don't think that would be a very easy task considering the chip is the size of a grain of sand. Regardless of any criticism I feel better knowing that if an emergency or other mishap occurred there would be identification on my dog to find me.
Just a note to the originator of this thread if you trully care about animals buy your dog from a breeder and not a petshop.Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 2:49:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Wow!! Really good info. Thanks for all the pro's and con's, there is a lot I will have to consider regarding "chipping" my new pup!
I will definitely get my new Lab from a reputable dealer as well. You all have confirmed the information I have heard in the past about the pet stores in your local mega mall!! My biggest problem now is trying to pick one that won't turn out to be as dumb as a box of hammers :D |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 3:40:31 PM EDT
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www.digitalangel.net
My earlier post had an uncorrect URL. Paste the one above for a look at this "wonderful" technology. It might have some applications for pets, but to suggest that human beings have this implanted is something George Orwell would approve of. Of course, we have to "do it for the children". |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 4:38:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Miss Magnum, as for paranoia, I will attach the following quote. Again, not a knock on you personally, only on the mental blinders you have become accustomed to. There is no such thing as paranoia, only ignorance of the true nature of things. -- Hunter S. Thompson Is it a cold, dark, evil place where you live? [;D] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Miss Magnum
I doubt that we could change DJbumps views on this, but we don't have to accept his either. We love out animals, and want them back if lost. Yesterday, our horse & goats found that weak spot in the fence. We were both away from home when it happened. Our good neighbors saw them standing near the barn, and locked them in. If it had been our IW's, they would still be running after everything that moves. Glad that they are chipped. If satan comes looking for the chip, I'll fill his ass full of lead!!! Mike PS Saw your Kate under saddle in another thread. Pretty baby. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 5:18:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Thanks... and I do agree that it is a moot argument. I just can't see willing living with that level of paranoia.
Isn't Kate a doll? I had been wrapping a piece of baling twine around her barrel to get her used to the feeling.. most babies freak out over the girth... but I had no idea she'd just stand there like it was nothing! I'm so proud of her![:D] |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: enough with the biblical dogma...it's rediculous to think that a cheap safety measure like this has anything to do with the end of the world or whatever else people can dream up. i know if i paid 2k for a hunting dog i would get him chipped. the only other thing he would have for id besides a chip would be the rabies tag#. I have to say one thing. This is not paranoia!! Anyone who is a christian and believes the bible as Gods word. If he or she sees things like this that is written about what will happen in the future, a red flag goes up in that persons mind. So if you don't get a red flag when you see these things happening you are not a christian and I say good luck cause you are going to need it in the future. And by the way it is not the end of the world this signifies. It is the rapture of the believer and the anti christ ruling the earth for 7 years. As a world dictator. Sorry that sets off another red flag for me, "world dictator". "one world government". "Like UN pushing gun control on us". When I hear this I get excited not paranoid because Jesus said look up your redemption draws near. Paranoid no!! There is nothing this world has to offer that I want to fight for. You can't even vote right anymore. You vote for someone and they make a total u turn when they get into office. I vote Jesus first. When he gives you something he doesn't take it away. Not like this world. I look forward to paradise. Streets of gold no more tears,disease,pain. Total perfection like god gave us in the first place, that we decided to throw in the garbage. Paranoid no. Very happy yes. The promise of God is awsome!!!! |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:35:37 PM EDT
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I have been researching this New World Order/Fourth Reich/World Socialism for 10 years, and have this to say: They will make you want it. You will be desensitized, acclimatized, and finally controlled. Do you think that , in 1933, that your average German citizen was anti-Semitic? Much like today, the average citizen cared little. The Jews were demonized for any and everything and finally rounded up and hauled away to die, with no protest from John Q. Would you want your children tattooed with a gov't number? While indeed useful, the microchip for children is not far behind.
Miss Magnum, you have the ostrich syndrome. It doesn't matter what 'level of paranoia you refuse to live with.' I was never one of the people 'on the inside,' but I worked for them and inside their alphabet soup agencies. I don't know whether or not this chip is th 'mark of the beast,' but it certainly fits the specs...... The first step of total control is registration............. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:44:54 PM EDT
[#37]
I wonder what will make an agnostic or an athiest wake up to what is happening. One does not have to be a christian to recognize the writing on the wall. It's only a matter of time before chips are inserted in people. IN FACT I don't know if it is true or not......maybe someone can verify this for me.....I heard that Chucky Cheese now stamps their customers with an invisible stamp that can be read "forever" at any one of their chains!!! Please tell me that this is a bunch of hooey. At what point does personal privacy/freedom outweigh conveniance/accountability toward one's government?? Does a chip in a child to prevent that child from disappearing outweigh the childs right to privacy....
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Posted: 5/13/2001 6:53:16 PM EDT
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Yeah, sxp1, many of us dogs have those ID microchip implants. In fact, I have one right in back of my neck! How do you think I get home after each and every gunshow? Uh? At each gunshow I go to, I get "sticker shock" and lose my way back. With the implant, the authorities just drive me home. Neato! [:D]
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:05:11 PM EDT
[#39]
Let's just remember that this thread was about the chips in dogs. Has anybody definitely come up with a chip for people?
I believe that a certain level of paranoia is critical for survival, but if you think that we're not all already registered with the government have you forgotten a little thing called your social security number? But if we get to the point where they are holding us down to insert chips in us, well I think they're going to have a fight on their hands. I still like the chips for dogs. Dogs are our possessions, and sometimes our best friends. I want to know that I've done everything I can to get my friend home. Reddobie, yes, thanks, I have been to the aco fun stop. We work in a small rural town. Not very busy department, but as the area builds up, so do our problems. Lately our biggest problem is rabid racoons. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:27:47 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: It's simply to get all of you acclimated to having yourself implated--as in the "mark" from the book of Revelations. I could not agree more. While it may indeed be a good tool for retreiving lost pets, the dogs & cats are the guinea pigs. Next will be all newborn babies, because "It's for their safety", "We're just looking out for their best interests", "It's for the children" etc. etc. While a GPS receiver may not track the chips now, you can bet your ass that that will be in the next version. Anyone seen the Cadillac that they can unlock by satellite if you lock your keys in the car or lose them? The technology DOES exist. They can track your every move, they can even shut down the car driving down the road if they want. The computers in cars already record all types of data, engine speed etc. As technology advances this kind of thing WILL be ever present. I can just see Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Hillary etc. pushing this crap and the soccer moms & sheeple WILL take it hook line & sinker. I am not a conspiracy kind of person but this is in the works, it's just a question of how long til we get there. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:32:49 PM EDT
[#41]
These chips could be used on humans, but it would do no good for tracking humans, as the chip has no power and can only be scanned 6 to 8 inches away.
Kolchak, I guess we lucky were I work, we have not had a case of rabies in a dog or cat in over 40 years. We do see it in the bats, coyotes, and some foxes sometime. The biggest problems we have is need more officers. We have about 1.8M in the valley and grows by 4K a month. |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:34:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Well, heck.. y'all have convinced me. There's nothing worth living for anymore anyway...
If anyone needs me, I'll be the one swallowing a .41 magnum with my brain creating an interesting texture on the wall behind me. Are you [i]happy[/i] now?!?!? |
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Posted: 5/13/2001 7:57:10 PM EDT
[#43]
A friend of mine has a $1500.00 show quality Pomeranian dog. He let it play in the fenced in front yard one day, turned his back to answer the phone, and "Monster" was gone.
Six months later, and 2 states away, some sleaze bags took a little Pom to a vet. Since they were new customers, like most vet's, they scanned for a chip. The scum had to explain how they came to have a stolen show dog. No real charges filed, but Monster doesn't get out of sight any more. These same mutoids had a show quality Lab who just happened to be missing the ear usually tatooed with an ID number. A 100% chance somebody is missing their pet/show dog, but no way to prove it, or to find the owner. Of course the "poor dog's ear got frozen, so we had the ear removed". My daughter's a vet and she says there seems to be an epidemic of "frozen" ears these days. With a chip you stand a good chance of getting your pet back. Our Pomeranian "Killer" is chipped, and no he doesn't get out of our sight. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 12:55:02 AM EDT
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Lots of us work at companies that have card readers to access the building. These cards are very similar to the chips they put in dogs. They consist of a radio antenna/transmitter that is powered by the scanning device, and sends back a number. I work for a credit card company, and they can easily pull a report and find out exactly when I entered the building, when I went through each door, and so on. We're already familiar with this technology; the pet chips are the same thing in a smaller, implantable package.
But here's what has people concerned: eventually, some businesses and government services will offer special "conveniences" for people who are willing to be implanted. It will be voluntary, of course. Prisoners and soldiers will probably be the first to be implanted involuntarily. Then, those people who are on welfare or other government programs. Over time, certain services will be made difficult or impossible to obtain without being implanted; things like cashing a check (they are already taking fingerprints) or getting a perscription. Eventually, most people will accept them, as they've accepted social security numbers, and get the "voluntarily" to avoid the inconvienences. Once you are implanted, you can be tracked. Doorways can have scanners installed so you are scanned when you pass through. Same thing with gates at public transit, etc. Your bank, your doctor, your tax auditor, and your employer will want to scan you. This IS coming, make no mistake. It isn't paranoia; there are dozens of companies in SillyCon Valley working on applications for this data. The technology for the devices has existed for years. Digial Angel goes far beyond the basic pet chip, yet is in the same size package (a grain of rice). To get some idea of what this would/will be like, check out movies like 1984, Gattica, Logan's Run, and a few others. Yes, I know it sounds insane right now, but the only thing preventing it from happening is people being uncomfortable with the *concept* of being implanted. And that's what we're being conditioned to get over. -Troy <-- Tinfoil had firmly in place. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 12:57:46 AM EDT
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That's not surprising seeing that politicians already have theirs.
Who they take their orders from is anyones guess. Maybe that Coffee Annal head of the UN fart. Anyone remember "Saturn V" or "Invaders from Mars"? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 1:01:57 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Maybe that Coffee Annal head of the UN fart. HUH? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 1:03:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Ok, question:
Once the chip is in the pet (or the person,) is there any way to either a) get it out or b) deactivate it? Would, say, a mild electric shock short it out? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 1:09:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhoMe?: Quoted: Maybe that Coffee Annal head of the UN fart. HUH? Koffi Annan aka Coffee Annal head of the UN fart |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 1:11:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By WhoMe?: Quoted: Maybe that Coffee Annal head of the UN fart. HUH? Koffi Annan aka Coffee Annal head of the UN fart Thank you for clearing that up for me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 1:13:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhoMe?: Quoted: Originally Posted By WhoMe?: Quoted: Maybe that Coffee Annal head of the UN fart. HUH? Koffi Annan aka Coffee Annal head of the UN fart Thank you for clearing that up for me. Anytime. |
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