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Posted: 8/19/2017 10:28:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2017 10:39:10 PM EDT
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"Department assessment specialist Jennifer Paul said that the test still provides a rigorous evaluation of the students despite the lower score in effect."

I'm not sure what other skills a "development assessment specialist" such as Jennifer Paul may possess, but clearly she is highly-skilled in double-talk.
Link Posted: 8/19/2017 10:47:20 PM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days.
Link Posted: 8/19/2017 11:14:48 PM EDT
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This is why Trump wants English speaking immigrants. Being able to communicate properly is a job Americans don't want to do.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 12:35:11 AM EDT
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Pretty sure that was a Simpson's episode.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 12:38:10 AM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days.
Pretty sure that was a Simpson's episode.
Yep....Simpsons did it first
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 12:38:31 AM EDT
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The kids in MI that are in Special Ed are exempt for all mandated testing. It might be different now, but when I was in high school back in the early 90's. There would be whole classes of kids that would be goofing off while the rest of us did the testing. They also get some special considerations when it came to graduating. Like they didn't have to have as much credits or something.

I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:19:05 AM EDT
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The kids in MI that are in Special Ed are exempt for all mandated testing. It might be different now, but when I was in high school back in the early 90's. There would be whole classes of kids that would be goofing off while the rest of us did the testing. They also get some special considerations when it came to graduating. Like they didn't have to have as much credits or something.

I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes.
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days.
The kids in MI that are in Special Ed are exempt for all mandated testing. It might be different now, but when I was in high school back in the early 90's. There would be whole classes of kids that would be goofing off while the rest of us did the testing. They also get some special considerations when it came to graduating. Like they didn't have to have as much credits or something.

I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes.
Having taught, (yeah, I actually taught them) Behavioral Ed for 22 years I would tend to agree. My most eye opening experience was when I did a stint at a local psych ward. I had a class of 6 students 5 of which were wards of the state that has so called social problems. One was authentically psychotic, treated with mood stabilizers, Thorazine, and anti depressants. The rest were placed in the psych ward because the state couldn't find foster placements for them..........
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:59:59 AM EDT
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I'm a little surprised that there would have been many held in a psych ward. I never really thought about that before. I guess I would never have known a kid separated from mainstream education and shunted into a psych ward. At least I recall no instances of them.

Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired.

A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals.

Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all.

I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:45:48 PM EDT
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I'm a little surprised that there would have been many held in a psych ward. I never really thought about that before. I guess I would never have known a kid separated from mainstream education and shunted into a psych ward. At least I recall no instances of them.

Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired.

A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals.

Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all.

I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math.
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Having taught, (yeah, I actually taught them) Behavioral Ed for 22 years I would tend to agree. My most eye opening experience was when I did a stint at a local psych ward. I had a class of 6 students 5 of which were wards of the state that has so called social problems. One was authentically psychotic, treated with mood stabilizers, Thorazine, and anti depressants. The rest were placed in the psych ward because the state couldn't find foster placements for them..........
I'm a little surprised that there would have been many held in a psych ward. I never really thought about that before. I guess I would never have known a kid separated from mainstream education and shunted into a psych ward. At least I recall no instances of them.

Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired.

A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals.

Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all.

I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math.
Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books  I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved,  collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the  principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus  that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:44:29 AM EDT
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books  I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved,  collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the  principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus  that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday.
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Jesus, it's like the schools just up and gave up on these kids.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:26:12 AM EDT
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Deterioration of the English language
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:33:48 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:40:08 AM EDT
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I never had WIDA?

Participation trophies for erryone?

ETA: Science was the problematic curriculum (for educators) when I was in school.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:45:29 AM EDT
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By forcing school on people we have removed it's value to them and it's value in the mind of much of society.
We should look at reducing the mandatory schooling and only accept those who can show some form of apptitude.
People want what they can't have and this would also stop the waste and dissruption caused by those who don't want to learn and never will.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:44:41 PM EDT
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Jesus, it's like the schools just up and gave up on these kids.
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books  I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved,  collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the  principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus  that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday.
Jesus, it's like the schools just up and gave up on these kids.
No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting  to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a  $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades  in a behavioral setting? Imagine that.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Bottom line...

Of you can't communicate correctly or effectively with my customers or with my instruction/direction, I will not hire you under any circumstances.

A lot of other business owners feel the same way.

It's really not that hard to figure out.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:35:58 PM EDT
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting  to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a  $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades  in a behavioral setting? Imagine that.
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that is insane.  I figured all books in an elementary/middle/high school would be considered consumables to be replaced every few years.  Kids are destructive, especially to property that isn't theirs.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:56:12 PM EDT
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books  I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved,  collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the  principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus  that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday.
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Same thing when working in counseling for the state...it was all about satisfying the legal requirements on paper.
Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 3:05:06 PM EDT
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that is insane.  I figured all books in an elementary/middle/high school would be considered consumables to be replaced every few years.  Kids are destructive, especially to property that isn't theirs.
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting  to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a  $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades  in a behavioral setting? Imagine that.
that is insane.  I figured all books in an elementary/middle/high school would be considered consumables to be replaced every few years.  Kids are destructive, especially to property that isn't theirs.
You'd think that they'd replaced every couple years. Hell the guy I was describing would take sheets of paper that had been copied on one side turn it over and copy on the blank side. He'd store it in his garage and bring it back in to copy on. It was sometimes embarrassing  for us to be in the middle of an IEP (Individualized Education Plan)  and turn a sheet over, voila there would be someone else's private IEP on the other side. Besides that the use of previously used paper took a toll on our copier, as many service calls as we had in a year it probably would have been cheaper to buy a new copier every other year. I imagine that he was getting a kick back from the money he saved each year on his school's budget.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 3:12:06 PM EDT
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Michigan Dept. of Education Motto:

Fatback grits Cadillac car,
We're not as dumb as you think we is.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Same thing when working in counseling for the state...it was all about satisfying the legal requirements on paper.
Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck.
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books  I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved,  collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the  principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus  that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday.
Same thing when working in counseling for the state...it was all about satisfying the legal requirements on paper.
Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck.
Getting by was not what I got into education for. Just fulfilling the requirements was never what I taught for. Just collecting a paycheck never an expectation. From my experience the worst part of education is not having to deal with the students, or their parents, the most discouraging facet of teaching was dealing with liberal teachers, confused, misguided supervisors and governmental bureaucracy.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 3:47:02 PM EDT
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"People were very concerned that we would be unnecessarily segregating English learners by keeping themi n the English learner program when they in fact had enough skills and enough proficiency in English to fully participate in the general education classroom," said Suzanne Toohey, an English language learning consultant for the Oakland School District.

Wouldn't they have been able to pass the test if they had the reading and writing skills? 
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You serious Clark?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 5:01:49 PM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days.
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Here in Jax we had a superintendent that was promised a significant bonus if he could raise the number of students in AP classes. On day one of school he moved a ton of students into AP classes. Most of them failed but he got to keep the bonus.
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting  to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a  $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades  in a behavioral setting? Imagine that.
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My first couple of years of teaching were in a psychiatric hospital for children. I then spent a few years teaching self contained classrooms for EI in the public schools. My next stint after that was teaching in the prison system.

Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast.
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Here in Jax we had a superintendent that was promised a significant bonus if he could raise the number of students in AP classes. On day one of school he moved a ton of students into AP classes. Most of them failed but he got to keep the bonus.
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The number of AP classes a school offers weighs very heavily in rankings like US News, etc.  It doesn't matter how many kids get 4 or 5, or even if they take the exam - just that they offer it.
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My first couple of years of teaching were in a psychiatric hospital for children. I then spent a few years teaching self contained classrooms for EI in the public schools. My next stint after that was teaching in the prison system.

Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast.
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting  to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a  $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades  in a behavioral setting? Imagine that.
My first couple of years of teaching were in a psychiatric hospital for children. I then spent a few years teaching self contained classrooms for EI in the public schools. My next stint after that was teaching in the prison system.

Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast.
80 self contained? damn talk about not getting anything done, talk about district, school, malpractice. No wonder you quit, damn, just damn.
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