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Posted: 8/19/2017 10:39:10 PM EDT
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"Department assessment specialist Jennifer Paul said that the test still provides a rigorous evaluation of the students despite the lower score in effect."
I'm not sure what other skills a "development assessment specialist" such as Jennifer Paul may possess, but clearly she is highly-skilled in double-talk. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 10:47:20 PM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 11:14:48 PM EDT
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This is why Trump wants English speaking immigrants. Being able to communicate properly is a job Americans don't want to do.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 12:35:11 AM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 12:38:10 AM EDT
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Pretty sure that was a Simpson's episode. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 12:38:31 AM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days. I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 10:19:05 AM EDT
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The kids in MI that are in Special Ed are exempt for all mandated testing. It might be different now, but when I was in high school back in the early 90's. There would be whole classes of kids that would be goofing off while the rest of us did the testing. They also get some special considerations when it came to graduating. Like they didn't have to have as much credits or something. I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days. I really don't know what these kids were actually taught in school. They didn't really seem retarded, and most of them were kids that would have been trouble makers. I always thought they were just dumping grounds for school assholes. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:59:59 AM EDT
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Having taught, (yeah, I actually taught them) Behavioral Ed for 22 years I would tend to agree. My most eye opening experience was when I did a stint at a local psych ward. I had a class of 6 students 5 of which were wards of the state that has so called social problems. One was authentically psychotic, treated with mood stabilizers, Thorazine, and anti depressants. The rest were placed in the psych ward because the state couldn't find foster placements for them.......... Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired. A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals. Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all. I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:45:48 PM EDT
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I'm a little surprised that there would have been many held in a psych ward. I never really thought about that before. I guess I would never have known a kid separated from mainstream education and shunted into a psych ward. At least I recall no instances of them. Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired. A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals. Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all. I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Having taught, (yeah, I actually taught them) Behavioral Ed for 22 years I would tend to agree. My most eye opening experience was when I did a stint at a local psych ward. I had a class of 6 students 5 of which were wards of the state that has so called social problems. One was authentically psychotic, treated with mood stabilizers, Thorazine, and anti depressants. The rest were placed in the psych ward because the state couldn't find foster placements for them.......... Our school system liked to classify them as EI. That meaning meant emotionally impaired. A lot of the kids that were in there, were ones that I had known since grade school. A few seemed to actually be children that were not exactly retarded, but just slow. They would have benefited greatly from that type of class. The rest either seemed normal, or were prone to outbursts. By outbursts I mean yelling, swearing, or storming out of the room. They also liked to dump kids in those rooms that were just criminals. Only a few of the ones I knew turned into a normal adult. The school either thought they were helping troubled kids, or were just knowingly dumping problem children on those types of programs. They were so stunted education wise, I am shocked any turned out well at all. I got a look at one of their math books one time. I was hanging out with a friend and his Brother had left his books out. The kid was a senior in high school, but doing 6th grade math. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:44:29 AM EDT
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved, collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:26:12 AM EDT
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 Deterioration of the English language |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:33:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:40:08 AM EDT
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I never had WIDA?
Participation trophies for erryone? ETA: Science was the problematic curriculum (for educators) when I was in school. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:45:29 AM EDT
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By forcing school on people we have removed it's value to them and it's value in the mind of much of society.
We should look at reducing the mandatory schooling and only accept those who can show some form of apptitude. People want what they can't have and this would also stop the waste and dissruption caused by those who don't want to learn and never will. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:44:41 PM EDT
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Jesus, it's like the schools just up and gave up on these kids. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved, collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Bottom line...
Of you can't communicate correctly or effectively with my customers or with my instruction/direction, I will not hire you under any circumstances. A lot of other business owners feel the same way. It's really not that hard to figure out. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:35:58 PM EDT
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades in a behavioral setting? Imagine that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:56:12 PM EDT
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved, collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday. Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:05:06 PM EDT
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that is insane. I figured all books in an elementary/middle/high school would be considered consumables to be replaced every few years. Kids are destructive, especially to property that isn't theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades in a behavioral setting? Imagine that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:12:06 PM EDT
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Michigan Dept. of Education Motto:
Fatback grits Cadillac car, We're not as dumb as you think we is. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Same thing when working in counseling for the state...it was all about satisfying the legal requirements on paper. Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nearly 20 years ago I worked in a district that was largely Hispanic, parents by all accounts were mostly illegals. They never complained about anything. My first day in the district I was told that I was being given a literature class to teach. No problems there I thought, I'd taught English before, I'd even taught some of the classics before. The books I used were abridged but the basic substance was there. Hell, I'd even taught Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet. Well I asked for a syllabus to use, I wasn't given one. I asked for an approved book list. Instead of a required, approved book list I was shown a cubby hole of a room in which there were a few hundred books that had been dumped the previous year. No covers on most, mismatched editions and publishers, pages torn out and defaced. Not a thing was shelved, collated, cataloged, or arranged. The assistant principal looked at me and said, here's our book room. Why don't you pick out a couple sets of books to work out of this quarter? Don't take too long, the principal requests that you work up a subject curriculum and syllabus that is cross referenced with Bloom's Taxonomy and the State of Illinois Goals by Monday. Get that done and no one would look very close at anything else...and you collected your paycheck. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:47:02 PM EDT
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No big surprise at this link Wouldn't they have been able to pass the test if they had the reading and writing skills? 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:50:06 PM EDT
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Jesus, it's like the schools just up and gave up on these kids. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:01:49 PM EDT
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While doing my education course work I had a professor that claimed he got hired on as a superintendent at a small downstate IL district. Seems that the district was under state and federal watch/probation. He was brought in to raise their test scores, fire a few under performing instructors and bring down costs. The first thing he did was convince the parents of under performing special ed students to keep their kids home on state mandated standardized test days. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:08:47 PM EDT
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades in a behavioral setting? Imagine that. Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:13:30 PM EDT
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Here in Jax we had a superintendent that was promised a significant bonus if he could raise the number of students in AP classes. On day one of school he moved a ton of students into AP classes. Most of them failed but he got to keep the bonus. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:55:19 PM EDT
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My first couple of years of teaching were in a psychiatric hospital for children. I then spent a few years teaching self contained classrooms for EI in the public schools. My next stint after that was teaching in the prison system. Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No shit, now, imagine you're a teacher that wants to do the right thing and you run up against your supervisor's, your superintendent's lackadaisical attitude while attempting to teach. I ended up buying/paying for a $150 worth of dictionaries one year because my supervisor refused to budget for new dictionaries........his excuse was that he'd budgeted for new ones 20 years before. He argued that why should he pay for another set if the first set hadn't been appropriately cared for. Really? New dictionaries that wouldn't last for more than two decades in a behavioral setting? Imagine that. Believe it or not I got the most respect and support while working in the prisons; the psychiatric hospital was a close second. I taught self contained in two different districts. One district earnestly tried to help these kids, the other was a dumping ground. I quit the second district after a few months when my class size was 80 kids per class. It was then that I went to the prison system and had a blast. |
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