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Posted: 8/28/2005 4:17:23 PM EDT
MiG is redesignating the MiG-29OVT as the MiG-35 and will make it the standard production model to supersede the MiG-29M1/M2.

General director Aleksei Fiodorov says the MiG-35 is being offered to India. The new model has vectored thrust, a modified digital fly-by-wire flight-control system and the Tikhomirov NIIP Bars-29 phased array electronically scanned radar.



August 8, 2005
First Demonstration Flight of Ultra-Maneuverable MiG-29OVT Fighter Takes Place in Moscow Suburb of Zhukovskiy

The Russian Airplane Building Corporation MiG presented to journalists for the first time on Friday in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy the new ultra-maneuverable MiG-29OVT (with deflected thrust vectoring) ((OTKLONYAEMYY VEKTOR TYAGI)) fighter in flight.

Chief of the RSK MiG Fedotov Flight Test Center, RSK MiG senior test pilot and hero of Russia Pavel Vlasov made the demonstration flight. He demonstrated aerobatic maneuvers – the double somersault ((KUL’BIT)) and boomerang, Interfax sends.

“The main quality of the MiG-29OVT - ultra-maneuverability – is achieved owing to equipping of the airplane with deflected thrust vectoring, which is integrated into the airplane’s control loop,” the director of the engineering center of RSK MiG’s Mikoyan OKB, Vladimir Barkovskiy, said.

Pavel Vlasov reported that the unique flying capabilities of the MiG-29OVT will be demonstrated at the MAKS-2005 air salon which will take place in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy from 16 through 21 August.

The vectoring exhaust nozzle is intended for improvement of the airplane’s tactical and technical characteristics. A controlled jet nozzle with deflected thrust vectoring is a device with changing, depending on modes of an engine’s operation, dimensions of the throat and exhaust sections, in the channel of which there occurs a speed-up of the gas flow for the purpose of creating jet thrust and the possibility of vectoring thrust in all directions.





ZHUKOVSKY: Russia is to field its latest nuclear capable MiG-35 fighter against US F-16 and French Mirage2000 in the tender to be floated for the acquisition of 125 aircraft for the Indian Air Force to replace its ageing MiG-21 fleet, a top Russian official said.

"We will offer our MiG-35 multirole fighters with thrust vectoring control along with transfer of technology for indigenous production in India," Director General and Chief Designer of Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) 'MiG' Alexei Fedorov said after display of its capabilities by "MiG-29OVT" at the air show here.

On the sidelines of the international aerospace show MAKS-2205, Fedorov said it has been decided to market the MiG-29OVT with thrust vectoring control (TVC) under the MiG-35 brand.

"It has incorporated all the features of MiG-29M/M2 fighters developed on the basis of MiG-29 frontline fighter and today we can offer top-of-the-line multirole combat aircraft with in-flight refuelling," Fedorov said.

According to MiG Deputy Chief Designer Andrei Karasyov, MiG-35 is capable of delivering all present and future weapons, since it has universal open architecture.

"It would take not more than 60 flights for the Indian pilots to master the new fighter with thrust vectoring," Chief Test Pilot of RAC MiG Pavel Vlasov said after displaying the capabilities of the new aircraft.

"Today new MiG fighter has the super -manoeuvrability similar to Sukhoi 30MKI," he underscored.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:18:52 PM EDT
Can they(Russians) afford to keep a fleet in the air long term?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:22:12 PM EDT
BRIC V

Brazil
Russia
India
China
Venenzuela
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:23:48 PM EDT
Low speed aerobatics are supposed to help you escape a missile how?

Missles pull 25+ g and no one has to get on your tail or even point their nose at you to get a lock on anymore.

Whether this is ever a dangerous aircraft or not depends on what kind of radar they are able to find and put in the nose.

Now India could put a French or Israeli radar in it, and with the way India trains their pilots they might be quite dangerous.

This offer is a fairly blatant effort to counter the recent Indian AF visits to the US shopping the F-16 and F-35 as short and long term replacements for the last of their Mig-21 Bisons.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:25:23 PM EDT
It will be flown by half assed trained pilots, maintained by monkeys with no mechanical skills, supported by zero spare parts, and serve as the next target practice for American pilots in our next war with some shithole country that bought a few of Russia's "greatest" airplane.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:27:28 PM EDT
F-22 target fodder.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:29:27 PM EDT
I like the first pic, you knw the one with one nozzle pointed in a different direction then the other.

A SURE sign of excellent desgin work AND extraordinary flight dynamics. Especially if you don't want it to happen.

Though on second thought............................it might confuse the hell out of a missile.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:30:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
It will be flown by half assed trained pilots, maintained by monkeys with no mechanical skills, supported by zero spare parts, and serve as the next target practice for American pilots in our next war with some shithole country that bought a few of Russia's "greatest" airplane.



+1


Hey, our boys ( My two cousins included) need some real world practice
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:30:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
F-22 target fodder.



Really F-35 target fodder... the Mig 29 series are Hornet (original not Super) size, so its opposite number will eventually be F-35.

The Sukhoi family are F-22 size.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:31:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:34:50 PM EDT
I am illiterate in these things, but I suspect that the rate of pressure bleed off differs between the two actuators for in the vertical direction. This wouldn't have any practical effect on a continuously driven hydraulic actuation system.

Pretty cool looking.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:36:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Don't underestimate Indian pilots.

India's airmen are intelligent, very well educated, and very well trained.

Ask our own Air Force F-15 pilots what they think of Indian pilots and their SU-27s.

(Research it.)


The Indian Air Force is no slouch. You'd be FOOL to think they were.


They are arguably among the world's best air forces.


CJ



Im hoping they will help us fight china



Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:36:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Don't underestimate Indian pilots.

India's airmen are intelligent, very well educated, and very well trained.

Ask our own Air Force F-15 pilots what they think of Indian pilots and their SU-27s.

(Research it.)


The Indian Air Force is no slouch. You'd be FOOL to think they were.


They are arguably among the world's best air forces.


CJ



Yep, the Indian Air Force still acts like they are part of the RAF
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:32:53 PM EDT
The big deal here is the offer of local production.

India got burned badly when they popped their nuke and the US slapped an embargo on them. Everything they bought from the USA was dependent upon spares from the USA. They are trying to get away from Russian equipment, but they aren't going to set themselves up for the same fiasco they had back then.

The Indian Defense Ministry also takes forever and a day to make any kind of decision. Their procurement process sucks, and is recognized as one of the worst countires to ever figure out what they want and what they are going to do.

Not everyone in the world has F-22's. In fact how many do we currently have ourselves? With the planned number constantly dropping, how many F-22's will India really ever be facing? The answer is none really. They are equipping their armed forces to face the preceived threat that they see. Pakistan is number one, then China, closely followed by other countries in the region. India isn't equipping to fight the USA, so how great the F-22 is against what they have is immaterial. What matters is how good whatever they buy is against the last generation aircraft they are likely to face.

The MiG-35, and really anything else on their short list, will be capable of dealing with anything in the region now that is a threat, and likely anything that any enemy in the region could end up owning in the near future.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:58:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:00:15 PM EDT by CFII]
The MiG29 is an absolutly SUPERB aircraft, and this is only going to make it better. I want to keep the IAF on our side, cause they are pretty mean.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:02:39 PM EDT
Its not the pilots or the plane that will be the deciding factor. What will hamper them is the ground crew and their ability to maintain such a complex airplane. They will spend a significant time on the ground undergoing maintance.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:03:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
It will be flown by half assed trained pilots, maintained by monkeys with no mechanical skills, supported by zero spare parts, and serve as the next target practice for American pilots in our next war with some shithole country that bought a few of Russia's "greatest" airplane.



Hot DAMN thats a great reply. I couldnt of said it better myself. Nice job.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:15:07 AM EDT
I don't get it.... Aside from wowing airshow spectators with low speed aerobatics, what practical use does this have? At air combat speeds it's the limits of the human body to G-Force that limits turning radius, not necessarily what the aircraft is capable of. No good being in the seat of the world's most maueverable fighter if you are passed out in the seat while someone is shooting at you.

Dave
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:38:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
It will be flown by half assed trained pilots, maintained by monkeys with no mechanical skills, supported by zero spare parts, and serve as the next target practice for American pilots in our next war with some shithole country that bought a few of Russia's "greatest" airplane.



hmm, the same half-ass pilots that gave our F-15s some hard lessons a few years ago with their SU-27s?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:45:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:57:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:10:49 AM EDT
108 to 0? What about the F/A-18 shot down by a MiG-25 in Desert Storm?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:23:25 AM EDT
MiG-35 = Promised performance and tech transfer from a prototype

US Aircraft = Proven performance from an airframe that requires educated technitians (India has them) with down graded electronics (we won't sell our best to anybody else).

India = Powerfull and capable personel stymied buy a waco-weird, unproductive government idiology.

The result is anyones guess.

Tom
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:08:04 AM EDT
That's good news. The Indians are under threat by hostile Pakistani Muslims and Chinese Communists. They're going to be on the USA's side, wether they like it or not. It's going to be weird if a local war breaks out because you've got Russia supplying Migs/Sukhois to India and the USA supplies the F-16's to Pakistan.

My guess is that if WW3 really breaks out, then we'll have India and Pakistan hitting China together under a weird alliance. Communists don't like religious folk and the Hindus and Muslims won't be slowed down by political correctness. Both countries know that if China is taken out of the picture, then they will get all the Wal-Mart and McDonald's contracts. The last thing they want are Commie Chinks rolling through their countries looking for breeding space.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:22:31 AM EDT
Indian pilots are known to be well drilled ,but as others here
have said it would be what happens on the ground that will
hamper these aircraft.

ESPECIALLY if the ammo for the gun and the missiles are
made in India.

Ever tried any of that OFV ammo ?

It's made so badly that it's dangerous to use.
Several M1As have suffered catastrophic failure from
OFV ammo.

Now imagine that kind of "quality" ammo being used in combat
aircraft using that size of ammunition.

The might just shoot themselves down when they pull the trigger.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:25:32 AM EDT
It always makes me mad to see poor countries spend that kind of cash on the latest weaponry. A country where feces-free restaurant food and indoor plumbing are considered luxuries in many regions has bigger problems than obsolete fighter jets. China is doing the same thing on a much grander scale. Their industralized regions have become very modern over the past decade and they're making great strides in the military tech arena, but the remote and rural regions (in other words the vast majority of the country) seem to be just as neglected, corrupt, 3rd world, and barbaric as they ever were.

Galland
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:41:40 AM EDT
Can't help but notice the new MiGs still lack decent visibilty to the rear.

Check six, Ivan.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:45:30 AM EDT
Anybody else notice the MiG-31(P)U in the center of the third photo (the one with the gear mid-cycle)?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:06:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Don't underestimate Indian pilots.

India's airmen are intelligent, very well educated, and very well trained.

Ask our own Air Force F-15 pilots what they think of Indian pilots and their SU-27s.

(Research it.)


The Indian Air Force is no slouch. You'd be FOOL to think they were.


They are arguably among the world's best air forces.


CJ



The US pilots were set up to lose that exercise.
It was just a big stunt to justify why we need the F-22.
I hope it worked.

Of course you would hope that a new Sukoi could beat a 30+ year old F-15

I think in real life it would be a little different.


Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:06:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 7:13:17 AM EDT by natedogg42]

Originally Posted By mcantu:
108 to 0? What about the F/A-18 shot down by a MiG-25 in Desert Storm?



Did Speicher tell you that?
There is no proof one way or the other what happened to him. What there is...speculation from the "ruzzia military stuff pwns!11!" crowd that the US didn't completely own the ru$S1@ l33t t3kn0l06y!1!.

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:08:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 9:09:57 AM EDT by rifleman2000]

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Don't underestimate Indian pilots.

India's airmen are intelligent, very well educated, and very well trained.

Ask our own Air Force F-15 pilots what they think of Indian pilots and their SU-27s.

(Research it.)


The Indian Air Force is no slouch. You'd be FOOL to think they were.


They are arguably among the world's best air forces.


CJ



As good as they may be, they are no match for the US Airforce or US Navy. And they will not have the technical support or financial means to keep front line craft like that flying. Russians have never delivered a plane that lived up to the hype. This includes Mig 25s and Mig 29s, all of which have always been outclassed by their American counterparts.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:12:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Low speed aerobatics are supposed to help you escape a missile how?

Missles pull 25+ g and no one has to get on your tail or even point their nose at you to get a lock on anymore.

Whether this is ever a dangerous aircraft or not depends on what kind of radar they are able to find and put in the nose.

Now India could put a French or Israeli radar in it, and with the way India trains their pilots they might be quite dangerous.

This offer is a fairly blatant effort to counter the recent Indian AF visits to the US shopping the F-16 and F-35 as short and long term replacements for the last of their Mig-21 Bisons.



one would think that improved maneuverability would be looked at as an offensive characteristic, rather than simply an avoidance trait.

3d thrust vectoring is applicable in all flight regimes, not just at low speed. remember, this is the same airframe that american pilots commonly refer to as "an f18 on steroids"--the outstanding nose authority of the hornet, but with significantly more T/W muscle to recover energy after a big airspeed dump. the idea of making this outstanding airframe even more maneuverable is a truly scary proposition. it would certainly make the WVR playing field a dangerous place for aircraft such as the f16, f-18, and very likely the typhoon and rafale as well.

russian radars have always been very good, and are now benefitting from russia's acceptance of the "pilot as tactician, not technician" paradigm that has driven US signal processing efforts. it always amuses me when people think of russian tech as being somehow rustic, merely because soviet employment doctrine called for different application of technology.

and on a trivial side note, NATO IDs for sov block fighters start with the letter F. the mig21 is known as the fishbed. the bison is, if i recall correctly, a tupolev medium bomber.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:31:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
As good as they may be, they are no match for the US Airforce or US Navy. And they will not have the technical support or financial means to keep front line craft like that flying. Russians have never delivered a plane that lived up to the hype. This includes Mig 25s and Mig 29s, all of which have always been outclassed by their American counterparts.



i'll agree that no air force is a match for our air arms, but as far as individual aircraft go, i'm a bit more sceptical. no flanker or fulcrum can match the integrated system that is US air combat doctrine, but the russian 4th-gen fighters have repeatedly demonstrated that they are, at the very least, equal to their intended adversaries on a plane-for-plane basis.

fortunately, however, our doctrine, tactics, and training is far better. i hope it stays that way.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:37:48 AM EDT
Indian made targets. Maybe a few will fall on call centers or programming mills.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:41:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Low speed aerobatics are supposed to help you escape a missile how?

Missles pull 25+ g and no one has to get on your tail or even point their nose at you to get a lock on anymore.

Whether this is ever a dangerous aircraft or not depends on what kind of radar they are able to find and put in the nose.

Now India could put a French or Israeli radar in it, and with the way India trains their pilots they might be quite dangerous.

This offer is a fairly blatant effort to counter the recent Indian AF visits to the US shopping the F-16 and F-35 as short and long term replacements for the last of their Mig-21 Bisons.



one would think that improved maneuverability would be looked at as an offensive characteristic, rather than simply an avoidance trait.

3d thrust vectoring is applicable in all flight regimes, not just at low speed. remember, this is the same airframe that american pilots commonly refer to as "an f18 on steroids"--the outstanding nose authority of the hornet, but with significantly more T/W muscle to recover energy after a big airspeed dump. the idea of making this outstanding airframe even more maneuverable is a truly scary proposition. it would certainly make the WVR playing field a dangerous place for aircraft such as the f16, f-18, and very likely the typhoon and rafale as well.

russian radars have always been very good, and are now benefitting from russia's acceptance of the "pilot as tactician, not technician" paradigm that has driven US signal processing efforts. it always amuses me when people think of russian tech as being somehow rustic, merely because soviet employment doctrine called for different application of technology.

and on a trivial side note, NATO IDs for sov block fighters start with the letter F. the mig21 is known as the fishbed. the bison is, if i recall correctly, a tupolev medium bomber.



Thank you. At least someone else here knows that the MiG-29 is an amazing aircraft. Sure, pilots and tactics make or break the fight, but this aint a POS MiG21. This aircraft can literally run circles around our F16s. The Luftwaffe has done it many times, and they just fly the MiG29, not this new model.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:45:12 AM EDT

and on a trivial side note, NATO IDs for sov block fighters start with the letter F. the mig21 is known as the fishbed. the bison is, if i recall correctly, a tupolev medium bomber.



Bison is what the Indian Air Force calls its locally built Mig-21s, its their name for it, no NATO.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:50:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

and on a trivial side note, NATO IDs for sov block fighters start with the letter F. the mig21 is known as the fishbed. the bison is, if i recall correctly, a tupolev medium bomber.



Bison is what the Indian Air Force calls its locally built Mig-21s, its their name for it, no NATO.



ahhh..then i have learned something new today. apologies, and thanks.

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:54:48 AM EDT
Russias "new" thrust vectoring tech is based on old tech ditched after testing at DARPA. They had an F-15 prototype (the F-15 Active) rigged with thrust vectoring, forward airframe mounted independently steared canards and boo-koo computer assist. It was impressive but they moved on after testing, through to the current verson on the F-22.

basically, the Russians have developed something based on stuff we've already done. Not that unusual.

But, that's not to say that the aircraft is not capable. The Fulcrum is extremely capable, and the forward IR detection and launch system makes it possible to fire IR guided missles without activation their radar systems to give their positions away. However, our air doctrine has developed (once again) towards the "dog-fight at a distance" theory. The F-22 is able to blind-launch all of it's missles and have them guided by the AWACS air controllers.

The F-22 is much more capable, it's weapons are far superior, the pilots we put in them are far superior and our ground crews are trained until they break. Ours is a total system, not just a fancy piece of equipment.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:01:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CFII:

Originally Posted By sirensong:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Low speed aerobatics are supposed to help you escape a missile how?

Missles pull 25+ g and no one has to get on your tail or even point their nose at you to get a lock on anymore.

Whether this is ever a dangerous aircraft or not depends on what kind of radar they are able to find and put in the nose.

Now India could put a French or Israeli radar in it, and with the way India trains their pilots they might be quite dangerous.

This offer is a fairly blatant effort to counter the recent Indian AF visits to the US shopping the F-16 and F-35 as short and long term replacements for the last of their Mig-21 Bisons.



one would think that improved maneuverability would be looked at as an offensive characteristic, rather than simply an avoidance trait.

3d thrust vectoring is applicable in all flight regimes, not just at low speed. remember, this is the same airframe that american pilots commonly refer to as "an f18 on steroids"--the outstanding nose authority of the hornet, but with significantly more T/W muscle to recover energy after a big airspeed dump. the idea of making this outstanding airframe even more maneuverable is a truly scary proposition. it would certainly make the WVR playing field a dangerous place for aircraft such as the f16, f-18, and very likely the typhoon and rafale as well.

russian radars have always been very good, and are now benefitting from russia's acceptance of the "pilot as tactician, not technician" paradigm that has driven US signal processing efforts. it always amuses me when people think of russian tech as being somehow rustic, merely because soviet employment doctrine called for different application of technology.

and on a trivial side note, NATO IDs for sov block fighters start with the letter F. the mig21 is known as the fishbed. the bison is, if i recall correctly, a tupolev medium bomber.



Thank you. At least someone else here knows that the MiG-29 is an amazing aircraft. Sure, pilots and tactics make or break the fight, but this aint a POS MiG21. This aircraft can literally run circles around our F16s. The Luftwaffe has done it many times, and they just fly the MiG29, not this new model.



That is debateable. The Luftwaffe Migs gave us trouble because of R-73. You could not dogfight with someone who only had to look at you to shoot you down if you were within 15km. Fighting with them dissolved into trying to see them first and then getting into the narrow angles that allowed our fighters to shoot them with AMRAAM and break away before they could engage with their shorter range weapon.

You don't need to be a better dogfighter when all you have to do is keep our opponent just in front of your wing line. The IAF Mig-21s were able to do that successfuly agaisnt our F-16s.

This is why you need the speed of a aircraft like the F-22 or F-35. So you can physically remove yourself from your enemies missile engagement envelope quickly because your never flying slower than Mach 1.5- and it helps that that envelope is smaller because your less visable.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:16:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:19:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Russia is hoping to buy as many as 600 of this aircraft.



Unlikely.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:29:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:
i'll agree that no air force is a match for our air arms, but as far as individual aircraft go, i'm a bit more sceptical. no flanker or fulcrum can match the integrated system that is US air combat doctrine, but the russian 4th-gen fighters have repeatedly demonstrated that they are, at the very least, equal to their intended adversaries on a plane-for-plane basis.

fortunately, however, our doctrine, tactics, and training is far better. i hope it stays that way.



Russian aircraft have always been overhyped. The Mig 25 was supposed to be a super fighter, when it really was a high speed missile platform only. The Mig 29 is also a capable, in fact very capable fighter when executed well. But to have an effective aircraft, you must figure in production quality, armament quality, maintenance quality, and training quality. While Russians have great ideas and good technology, they can never turn out any in significant numbers while maintaining quality. Their one or two demo fighters that use thrust vectoring (a technology we are more advanced in) and phased array radars (yeah, we own that patent too) are probably the best they got.

Good luck turning out multi million dollar fighters in good numbers and good quality, especially when you sell it to second rate countries.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:35:51 AM EDT
The biggest news in all this is that there is now another option for the PRC to buy should they give up on their quest to produce the all-Chinese J-10 lightweight fighter- a project that has been stalled for over 10 years.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:55:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:
I like the first pic, you knw the one with one nozzle pointed in a different direction then the other.

A SURE sign of excellent desgin work AND extraordinary flight dynamics. Especially if you don't want it to happen.

Though on second thought............................it might confuse the hell out of a missile.



Nah, that's just the Airbus-designed software set to straight and level flight.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:45:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:58:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
The biggest news in all this is that there is now another option for the PRC to buy should they give up on their quest to produce the all-Chinese J-10 lightweight fighter- a project that has been stalled for over 10 years.



BINGO!!!!! China!!!!!


China has the money and wants an Air Force that is capable of making the US take a pause before doing anything. China is already the biggest user of Flankers outside of Russia and will have an Air Force that will be second only to the US in numbers before too long at the rate they are looking to expand.



China has taken so long to get the J-10 going that its going to be obsolete by the time they get it fielded even if all the problems with it dried up and blew away tomorrow.

The biggest shortcoming is the lack of thrust vectoring for the engine. By the time the J-10 would be on line so would the F-35 which has it- and unlike the F-22 the F-35 is a aircraft that the other regional powers ARE seriously interested in buying and which we are seriously interested in selling. The J-10 would be at a big disadvantage...

Chinas legendary reverse engineering capability has hit a snag with the Lyulka turbofans. For the last DECADE, ever since the first SU-27 buy in the mid 90's there has supposed to be domestic production of the SUs but they have never gotten past kit assembling because the Chinese have been unable to produce a copy of the Lyulka that runs properly. Russia will only supply enough engines for the SUs- not sure if that is being greedy to ensure that China keeps paying them or the Lyulka plant just cant provide enough engines to power the 1500 or so J-10s China wants to replace the J-7/8/9 fleet.

Its a strange problem given Chinas past history of copying things. But its not unique, they have had the same problem with trying to build the Dong Feng 31 ICBM, their copy of the SS25. They don't work, they blow up, they havent been able to make domestic copies of the solid fuel motor...
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:37:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:40:39 PM EDT
Could a Chinese-buit MiG-29-based plane be the answer to what will equip the Chinese carrier? Notice that the first picture in the original thread shows the jet launching from the "ski jump" of a carrier.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:45:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 12:47:12 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:49:04 PM EDT
So this new Fulcrum variant is the MiG-35? What are the MiG-32, 33 and 34 then?

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:53:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 12:58:25 PM EDT by vito113]
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