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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:08:25 PM EDT
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I'm still holding off on the vacation plans for now.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:09:28 PM EDT
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I'm still holding off on the vacation plans for now. Why? This is the best vacation package ever. 
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:11:48 PM EDT
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Why? This is the best vacation package ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still holding off on the vacation plans for now. Why? This is the best vacation package ever. The vigilantes do seem to have plenty of 22lr 
Now you get a bonus Mexican police uniform with every third night of travel. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:13:01 PM EDT
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Allow me to teach those "Vigilantes" some Latin..
Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:15:45 PM EDT
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The establishment of such militias are fairly common in areas where the state has a limited reach, and people are sick and tired of illicit groups from abusing them. The same tactic was used in Uganda and Sudan.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:16:07 PM EDT
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Good. Now they need to overthrow their government.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:21:16 PM EDT
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Good. Now they need to overthrow their government. That may still be coming. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:22:49 PM EDT
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Huh. After arresting federales they get legalized.
It is a tarp? |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:27:08 PM EDT
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I think this is a bad move for the self defense groups. It's a save face maneuver by the Mex gov. And the groups are basically joining forces with the very same corrupted armed force that refused to protect them to begin with. Plus, they're now going to receive their orders from them.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:29:43 PM EDT
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Huh. After arresting federales they get legalized. It is a tarp? I'm pretty sure that they think legalizing the self defense groups and "legitimizing" them will allow the Federal government control over them. And especially if they give them access to supplies and communications equipment, the self defense groups are now beholden to a master. I think they have a ways to go before they get to open rebellion, but if it starts to look like the Federales are keeping the self defense groups on a leash only to allow the cartels to continue to operate with impunity, it will only hasten the process. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:30:28 PM EDT
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I think this is a bad move for the self defense groups. It's a save face maneuver by the Mex gov. And the groups are basically joining forces with the very same corrupted armed force that refused to protect them to begin with. Plus, they're now going to receive their orders from them. I agree. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:34:10 PM EDT
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interesting, if you can't beat them, join them?
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:35:08 PM EDT
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http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader-001339749.html MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico essentially legalized the country's growing "self-defense" groups Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year.
Related Stories The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms. I wonder if our government will legalize this as well? |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:40:01 PM EDT
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interesting, if you can't beat them, join them? Join them so you can beat them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:40:25 PM EDT
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I wonder if our government will legalize this as well? Hah! Not hardly. We have a long, long, long.....long ways to go before we get to the point of the Federal, State, and Local law enforcement getting overwhelmed by the cartels and their turf wars. Plus, the cartels, for the most parts that if they keep a low enough profile, and pay off the right government officials they can peddle their poison and make their money. They actually have a vested interest in keeping the violence level well behold the threshold of public outrage in the United States. They know that if they start doing the shit here that they do south of the boarder, they WILL have a million WELL ARMED militia men shooting first and asking no questions. |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:44:05 PM EDT
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this should get interesting, and bloody, fast.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:44:36 PM EDT
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http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader-001339749.html MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico essentially legalized the country's growing "self-defense" groups Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year.
Related Stories The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms. Same thing happened in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil....slumdwellers were tired of being in the crossfire of cops and dealers and formed self defense groups |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:50:30 PM EDT
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"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are
integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?  |
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Posted: 1/27/2014 10:50:32 PM EDT
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They've shown their willingness to take the law into their own hands. If the Mexican gov. tries to stop them from doing what they came together to do I doubt they'll go along with it.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 11:13:17 PM EDT
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Why? This is the best vacation package ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still holding off on the vacation plans for now. Why? This is the best vacation package ever. National Lampoon's Vigilante Vacation! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:47:16 AM EDT
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"Necessary to the security of a free state" and all that...
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:49:12 AM EDT
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"Hey, amigos. The government man is here. He says that the government only wants to help us. What could possibly go wrong?"
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:49:55 AM EDT
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Our "Wise Latina" on SCOTUS likes to pay attention to what other governments are doing... when can we expect the same sort of legal acceptance of our Arfcom Defense Force here?
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:50:00 AM EDT
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http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader-001339749.html MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico essentially legalized the country's growing "self-defense" groups Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year.
Related Stories The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms. awesome |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:51:04 AM EDT
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Great.
But I still believe this isn't going to have the 'feel good' outcome everybody thinks it will. It is reasonable to believe that rival cartels have infiltrated these vigilante groups and are possibly supplying them with weapons and ammunition. Power corrupts, and Mexico has a great history of that. Why would it change now? I'll check back in 2 years or so. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:55:59 AM EDT
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Good. Now they need to overthrow their government. I was going to type this, but then noticed you already did. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 7:58:30 AM EDT
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Mexican government is just following Obama's lead:
he is "legalizing" illegals in the US they are "legalizing" their illegals. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:00:06 AM EDT
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"vigilantes" are often just the next generation of cartels
Either that, or they're just folks being offered a "better deal" by one cartel to remove another from local supremacy |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:01:33 AM EDT
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"Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army." Self-defense Leaders will now report to the .gov forces, give their memberships' names, register the weapons. Step Two, Near-future: Self-defense leaders bought off, become (corrupted) part of establishment, membership starts appearing on roadsides, sans head and hands, and guns start getting confiscated. Mexico wins again.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:10:33 AM EDT
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"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?
Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:10:35 AM EDT
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"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?
Fuck that noise. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:14:27 AM EDT
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Are they paying wages for some help? Do they need "advisors"? The US seems pretty good at that game. Probably illegal to help them?
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:14:42 AM EDT
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Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?
Those lists will be updated daily in government databases and every other day in cartel databases.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:15:32 AM EDT
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Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...
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"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?
Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...
I had read this part as well. The Mexican "Government" will have the locals do the dirty work. They will then come and collect the weapons and imprison, or release the names of the vigilantes to the next cartel. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:17:46 AM EDT
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That may still be coming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Now they need to overthrow their government. That may still be coming. What does it pay? |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:20:02 AM EDT
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"Necessary to the security of a free state" and all that... Funny thing that, you don't need a militia until you REALLY need a militia |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:20:10 AM EDT
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I wonder if our government will legalize this as well? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader-001339749.html MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico essentially legalized the country's growing "self-defense" groups Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year.
Related Stories The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms. I wonder if our government will legalize this as well? It's codified into the founding document. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:23:16 AM EDT
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Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...
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"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong?
Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...
Yeah they are fucked. This is the local paisano chief RDC guy thinking he's getting support from the military while not watching the other hand, which is firmly in the cartels back pocket. That list of registered weapons and their short lived owners is being copied and faxed to narco bosses all over the place. Next step: Cartels eradicate the militias leadership while their well paid .gov partners look the other way. This is the death knell for RDC. 
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:37:06 AM EDT
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They're just outing the ones likely to rebel so that both .gov and cartel can find them easier.
They probably will get a few kills though. Eh, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:38:05 AM EDT
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If you can't beat 'em, endorse 'em.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:38:27 AM EDT
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Other cartels are sending men to fight the Knights. This is why it's being allowed. Sinaloa & Zetas expanding.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah they are fucked. This is the local paisano chief RDC guy thinking he's getting support from the military while not watching the other hand, which is firmly in the cartels back pocket. That list of registered weapons and their short lived owners is being copied and faxed to narco bosses all over the place. Next step: Cartels eradicate the militias leadership while their well paid .gov partners look the other way. This is the death knell for RDC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry. Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army. The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/27/mexico-legalizes-vigilantes-nabs-cartel-leader/20817254/ Giving the military the names of its members and registering there guns what could go wrong? Right. That will work out good. Way to go mexico. How fucking stupid would you have to be...Yeah they are fucked. This is the local paisano chief RDC guy thinking he's getting support from the military while not watching the other hand, which is firmly in the cartels back pocket. That list of registered weapons and their short lived owners is being copied and faxed to narco bosses all over the place. Next step: Cartels eradicate the militias leadership while their well paid .gov partners look the other way. This is the death knell for RDC. |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 11:01:07 AM EDT
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Our "Wise Latina" on SCOTUS likes to pay attention to what other governments are doing... when can we expect the same sort of legal acceptance of our Arfcom Defense Force here? FLAN |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 11:07:35 AM EDT
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Maybe we should send the vigilantes weapons on the condition they take back their illegal families.
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