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Posted: 7/20/2008 9:57:24 PM EDT
Could have been teaching it, or how to withstand it, I dunno

Mexican torture training video released to media
Times wire report
07/19/2008
http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_9929819
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- A Mexican police chief was fired Friday following the release of two police training videos that show officers practicing torture techniques, local media reported.
Carlos Tornero, police chief in the central city of Leon, was fired at the recommendation of the Guanajuato state attorney general's office for human rights, the Reforma newspaper said, citing state Public Safety Secretary Alvar Cabeza de Vaca.

The head of police training, Javier Haro Esparza, was also fired, the newspaper said.

No one was available to confirm the report at Cabeza de Vaca's office on Friday night, and officials from Guanajuato's state government could not be reached for comment.

One of the videos, obtained two weeks ago by the newspaper El Heraldo de Leon, shows police appearing to squirt water up a man's nose, a torture technique once notorious among Mexican police. They then dunk his head in a hole that an unidentified voice on the video says is full of excrement and rats. In another video, an unidentified English-speaking trainer asks a police agent to roll in his own vomit.

The English-speaking man belonged to a private U.S. security company hired to help train the agents, ex-police chief Tornero had said. He claimed the videos showed sessions training officers from an elite police unit to withstand torture if they are kidnapped by organized crime groups.

The footage provoked an uproar across Mexico amid separate accusations of abuse by police and soldiers engaged in a nationwide battle to root out drug gangs.
The National Human Rights Commission has documented 634 cases of military abuse since President Felipe Calderon sent more than 20,000 soldiers to assist in the crackdown.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:51:45 PM EDT
Nuthin?
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:53:28 PM EDT
Probably teaching illegals so they can torture Americans other Americans won't.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:56:45 PM EDT
I was hoping to see the videos
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:58:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Nuthin?


Interesting, but I dunno, should we be surprised?
When you're dealing with savages, you have to train to deal with savages,
and that would include unfortunate type shit like this, I'd imagine.

Mexico ain't a nice place.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:59:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2008 7:00:40 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Nuthin?


Interesting, but I dunno, should we be surprised?
When you're dealing with savages, you have to train to deal with savages,
and that would include unfortunate type shit like this, I'd imagine.

Mexico ain't a nice place.


Yeah, I was just wondering about the likelihood of them being
training vs survival videos for their LEOs, I can't make the call
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:02:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
training vs survival videos


Probably both, intentional or not... if you get my drift.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:03:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
training vs survival videos


Probably both, intentional or not... if you get my drift.


Yeah, I'm leaning that way
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:11:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
training vs survival videos


Probably both, intentional or not... if you get my drift.


Yeah, I'm leaning that way


Now that said, I don't have a prob with cops training to endure torture,
nor do I have a problem with them dishing it out... as I mentioned,
these guys are dealing with some savage fuckers, the type that get off on cop killing.

My only issue would be bad cops using such methods against good cops.
It seems bad cops are common, and good cops are huge targets down there.

Then again, I don't think you need training vids to teach you how to do horrible shit to people, so any concern about that is probably pointless.

Not a nice place at all.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:24:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
training vs survival videos


Probably both, intentional or not... if you get my drift.


Yeah, I'm leaning that way


Now that said, I don't have a prob with cops training to endure torture,
nor do I have a problem with them dishing it out... as I mentioned,
these guys are dealing with some savage fuckers, the type that get off on cop killing.

My only issue would be bad cops using such methods against good cops.
It seems bad cops are common, and good cops are huge targets down there.

Then again, I don't think you need training vids to teach you how to do horrible shit to people, so any concern about that is probably pointless.

Not a nice place at all.


Yeah, I understand that a lot of their citizens are fleeing to another country
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