Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Site Notices
Posted: 2/18/2012 7:35:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 7:52:00 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]

A Mexican soldier stands guard at a marijuana field, in Los Algodones community, Culiacan, Sinaloa State, Mexico on January 30, 2012.

Magazine looks long. Is it a H&K 33 with rail?
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:38:13 AM EDT
No, it's an ATF rifle.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:38:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 7:47:09 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
According to Wikipedia the Mexican military uses the following assault rfiles:


H&K G33 - 5.56mm


M4 - 5.56mm



FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire Serpent)- 5.56mm
A unlicensed/reverse engineered rip off of a H&K G36

Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:50:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 7:51:46 AM EDT by Stlkid]
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:53:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:55:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.


Looks like a .308 belt draped over his shoulder. He has another weapon slung over his back as well.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:56:59 AM EDT
SAW Para with 40 round stanag
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:57:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.


Yes, it is just at a funny angle.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:57:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
According to Wikipedia the Mexican military uses the following assault rfiles:

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9669/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg</a>
H&K G33 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/13018036.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4880/13018036.jpg</a>
M4 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/fx05xiuhcoatl.png/" target="_blank">http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8066/fx05xiuhcoatl.png</a>
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/fx051.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8270/fx051.jpg</a>
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire Serpent)- 5.56mm
A unlicensed/reverse engineered rip off of a H&K G36




I thought H&K was content that it wasn't a copy after all. Do you have any different information?
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:59:46 AM EDT
Looks to me like an Ollie North Special that exchanged hands and had a gay stock put on it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:01:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
According to Wikipedia the Mexican military uses the following assault rfiles:

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9669/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg</a>
H&K G33 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/13018036.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4880/13018036.jpg</a>
M4 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/fx05xiuhcoatl.png/" target="_blank">http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8066/fx05xiuhcoatl.png</a>
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/fx051.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8270/fx051.jpg</a>
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire Serpent)- 5.56mm
A unlicensed/reverse engineered rip off of a H&K G36




I thought H&K was content that it wasn't a copy after all. Do you have any different information?


The receivers are identical. Yes you are right H&K didn't sue. Content or paid off?
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:04:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 8:05:03 AM EDT by 25Chuck]
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.


Looks like a .308 belt draped over his shoulder. He has another weapon slung over his back as well.


If it ain't an M249/Minimi then I don't have the foggiest idea of what it would be...
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:09:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 8:11:39 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.


Looks like a .308 belt draped over his shoulder. He has another weapon slung over his back as well.


If it ain't an M249/Minimi then I don't have the foggiest idea of what it would be...


I agree with you that what we can see of the stock looks like a M249 para stock.



But I think it is some sort of H&K magazine fed 5.56mm Machinegun like the H&K13E with a para-stock.

That magazine looks like a 5.56mm 40 rounder to me. It does NOT look like it is oriented out the left side of the magazine port of a M249. Further more the front end and barrel area just don't look like a M249., too long and slender.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:11:41 AM EDT
It's the gun that Al Pacino...

...NVM.

Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:12:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 8:13:03 AM EDT by Kharn]
Its a side-fed magazine weapon, I'm assuming an M249 or derivative. Look at where his hand is, and the pistol grip is pointing directly at the camera.
Looks like an MP5 or other 90-series HK on his back.
The dude could be really short, I bet that's a belt of 5.56 around his neck

Kharn
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:15:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2012 8:18:38 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
Originally Posted By Kharn:
Its a side-fed magazine weapon, I'm assuming an M249 or derivative. Look at where his hand is, and the pistol grip is pointing directly at the camera.
Looks like an MP5 or other 90-series HK on his back.
The dude could be really short, I bet that's a belt of 5.56 around his neck

Kharn


You are right I didn't notice the position of his hand on the pistol grip. It is a M249 para-stock with the short barrel with 40 round magazine.

I only ever got SAW to feed from 30 round USGI magazines that were brand new with the green followers. As in fresh out of the plastic wrapper brand new.

I hated the short SAW barrels because they blow gas and debris back in your face when firing from the prone.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:16:37 AM EDT
I agree that it does look like a 40 rnd mag and it looks a little "off" for a 249. However, when I look at the pistol grip, charging handle, and bipod position I am still temped to say that it is some sort of Minimi variant.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:18:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Originally Posted By Stlkid:
Its some form of a SAW. You can tell by the butt stock and and magazine on the side.


That's what I am thinking. It has the para kit buttstock on it.

+1, its an M-249 para saw with a 40 round mag. From the angle of the picture you are seeing the bottom of it; charging handle on the right side, mag well on the left at an angle. If you look closely you can see the bottom of the pistol grip with the trap door compartment. Handguard does look weird though.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:18:22 AM EDT
Don't know what it is but I'm sure it was purchased at a Texas gun show.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:18:26 AM EDT
Para Minimi
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:23:18 AM EDT
It's an M249 para.

You can see the bi-pod.


I have no clue why he is feeding it via box magazine.
Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:24:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
According to Wikipedia the Mexican military uses the following assault rfiles:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9669/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg
H&K G33 - 5.56mm

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4880/13018036.jpg
M4 - 5.56mm

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8066/fx05xiuhcoatl.png
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8270/fx051.jpg
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire Serpent)- 5.56mm
A unlicensed/reverse engineered rip off of a H&K G36



Wow, that thing is as ugly as homemade sin.

Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:39:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
According to Wikipedia the Mexican military uses the following assault rfiles:

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9669/hkg33a2assaultrifle.jpg</a>
H&K G33 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/13018036.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4880/13018036.jpg</a>
M4 - 5.56mm

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/fx05xiuhcoatl.png/" target="_blank">http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8066/fx05xiuhcoatl.png</a>
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/fx051.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8270/fx051.jpg</a>
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (Fire Serpent)- 5.56mm
A unlicensed/reverse engineered rip off of a H&K G36




I thought H&K was content that it wasn't a copy after all. Do you have any different information?


The receivers are identical. Yes you are right H&K didn't sue. Content or paid off?


AFAIK H&K didn't receive any money. They looked at the internals and declared that it was a different design despite the superficial similarities.
Top Top