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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:10:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 10:48:17 AM EDT by thompsondd]
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:21:07 AM EDT
So, you didn't take the time to actually realize that the text is a warning about the hazards of a river crossing, then, did you?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:21:36 AM EDT
 They need to change Texas to "New Mexico" and change New Mexico to "Notso New Mexico"
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:10:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 9:12:28 AM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
So, you didn't take the time to actually realize that the text is a warning about the hazards of a river crossing, then, did you?



Is that the part where it says "If you are detained, you have RIGHTS????"

Did you look at the guide or just the pics? This ain't Playboy. It is a guide put out by the Mexican government about how to cross our boarders illegally. It is their GOVERNMENT who is advocating this practice.

WTF over?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:15:42 AM EDT
Warrning that river crossings are dangerous my ass, It's a freaking guide put out by their nations government about how to come into this country ILLEGALLY.





They are ignoring our SOVERIGNTY as a nation!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:21:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 9:21:47 AM EDT by lvgunner777]
Those chicks don't look like the illegals I have seen around here.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:22:56 AM EDT
where is a translated copy at?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:25:58 AM EDT
This completely fails to surprise me.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:32:54 AM EDT
Here is your translated copy

here you go
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:44:46 AM EDT
If it wasn't so serious, I would be laughing up a storm.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:48:22 AM EDT
those guys must workout.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:14:50 AM EDT
Those captions are great. Woman beaters and child abusers deserve a wooden shampoo. Or are we using hard rubber now?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:19:09 AM EDT
Inreible...... Absolutamente increible.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:20:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Warrning that river crossings are dangerous my ass, It's a freaking guide put out by their nations government about how to come into this country ILLEGALLY.

www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/imagenes/pag4.jpg



They are ignoring our SOVERIGNTY as a nation!



I think this says something about how to be a good prostitute.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:21:37 AM EDT
In times past a government sponsered invasion of another nation to plunder it's wealth was considered an act of war.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:21:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:22:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 10:25:43 AM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By Symtex:
Here is your translated copy

here you go






TRANSLATION: Always remember, the Border Patrol officers carry guns. Picking up rocks or clenching your fists is always taken as a sign of aggression, which causes them to pull out their guns and point them at you. The Border Patrol officer has a Beretta 92AF with fifteen rounds in the mag and one up the pipe. You have some small, round, smooth stones. Do the math.



At least there is some humor on that site. Now, back to the topic of the state sponsored illegal invasion of our country
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:25:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Symtex:
Here is your translated copy

here you go




www.qando.net/images/guia10.gif

TRANSLATION: Always remember, the Border Patrol officers carry guns. Picking up rocks or clenching your fists is always taken as a sign of aggression, which causes them to pull out their guns and point them at you. The Border Patrol officer has a Beretta 92AF with fifteen rounds in the mag and one up the pipe. You have some small, round, smooth stones. Do the math.




see the white guy in the green hat he looks like he is trying to get some pooper pics off the kid??
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:25:48 AM EDT
They can say whatever they want (how to cross, how to stay low on the radars once you're in the US, what to do in case of arrest, etc, etc) as they have a nice disclaimer on the last page...

Fucking amazing...
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:32:21 AM EDT
Mexico Defends Guide for Illegal Immigrants
VOA News
05-January-2005 1601


Mexico is defending a government-published guide for migrants who want to enter the United States illegally.

U.S. immigration-control groups and at least one congressman have criticized the booklet, saying Mexico is promoting illegal immigration.

The 32-page booklet is entitled "Guide for the Mexican Migrant."  Using comic-book style pictures, it offers safety tips such as how to avoid dehydration while walking through desert areas on the U.S.-Mexican border.

The Mexican government is distributing more than one million copies of the guide.

Congressman J.D. Hayworth has condemned the booklet, calling it an attack on U.S. sovereignty.

But Mexican diplomats say the guide is designed to reduce the number of migrant deaths, which rose to more than 300 in 2003.  Dangers along the U.S.-Mexican border include fast-moving rivers, rugged terrain and the intense desert heat.

Some information for this story provided by Reuters.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:34:07 AM EDT
www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/jmariani_20050109.html

January 09, 2005

Comic-Book How-To for Criminals

Joe Mariani

Mexico's Foreign Ministry plans to print 1.5 million copies of their Guide for the Mexican Migrant, 32 pages of illustrated instructions designed to help illegal immigrants cross the US border in safety. The comic book contains advice like, "Thick clothing increases your weight when wet, and this makes it difficult to swim or float," and "Don't throw stones or objects at the officer or patrol vehicles because this is considered a provocation." The simple illustrations show Mexicans sneaking across a river, climbing through a fence, avoiding Border Patrol officers, and following telephone lines to find towns where they can live. It doesn't, however, show them applying for visas or work permits. Although the book comes with "a yellow disclaimer saying it does not promote undocumented immigration," it gives helpful tips like, "Avoid attracting attention, at least while you are arranging your stay or documents to live in the United States."

While some may criticise this comic-book how-to for illegal immigrants, and others may poke fun at it, Mexico's effort to create smarter, better-educated lawbreakers should be applauded. In fact, the US should follow Mexico's lead in educating criminals to be better at what they do. We're the United States of America, for crying out loud -- we ought to have the best criminals in the world! If our lawbreakers are too lazy to figure out the best ways to commit crimes on their own, then perhaps it's the job of the government to educate them so that they can do their job... earn a livi... err, get along in a society that practically forces them to breaks its laws!

There are too many examples of stupid or uneducated criminals getting caught through simple mistakes -- mistakes that could have been avoided with a proper, government-sponsored criminal training program. Drug dealers have been known to bring drugs to their court appearances, Peeping Toms have left fingerprints on windows, and inexperienced crooks have shown their IDs to clerks while holding up liquor stores (to prove their ages), or filled out applications with their real names during a robbery. Even simple how-to books like those the Mexican government so thoughtfully provides to prospective lawbreakers would be a giant step in the right direction. The US government should provide help for under-educated criminals who want to break the law, but are not sure how to do so without getting caught.

For instance, a how-to book for the budding car thief could contain helpful advice like, "Most people don't even notice car alarms anymore, but police might. Make sure none are in sight before entering your chosen vehicle." This handy admonition might prevent a stupid mistake. Instructions for novice prostitutes could include, "Always ask whether your prospective customer is a police officer before detailing your services and prices." A bank robber's instruction booklet could give handy tips like, "Do not attempt to use the drive-through when committing your robbery -- go inside. It's worth the effort." Scott Peterson, for instance, could have used a murder how-to comic book. It might have told him, "Do not use a fishing trip at the site and on the day you dump the body as your alibi. It might be a good explanation in case anyone spotted you, but if the body is ever recovered, you will NEVER talk your way out of it." So many criminals forget little details like these, which can lead to embarrassing arrests, court appearances and even convictions.

It makes the entire country look bad when our criminals are so ill-informed and ill-educated. If Mexico can teach their criminals better lawbreaking methods, then so can we!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:35:45 AM EDT
No big deal.


Now.... putting panties on some islamo-fascist terrorist assholes' heads?  THAT'S a story.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:37:29 AM EDT
Well, they certainly can draw 'em!

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:37:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hanau:
where is a translated copy at?



www.americanpatrol.com/AID_ABET/MEXICO/MexiBookTranslation.html


Hold on to your seats:

Translation into English from Spanish provided by INFOMUNDO.US  as a public service. Original document GUIA DEL MIGRANTE MEXICANO, accessible on the website http://www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/default.htm

FIRST PAGE
Audio (Windows Media)
Track 1: Mexican Consulates
Track 2: Services of Mexican Consulates
Track 3: Rights of Migrants

INTRODUCTION, PAGES 0 - 1

Dear fellow citizen:

This guide tries to provide you with some practical advice that may be useful to you in case you have made the difficult decision to seek new work opportunities outside of your own country.

The safe way to enter another country is by first obtaining your passport, which is issued by the Delegations of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations, and your visa, which you request at the Embassy or Consulate of the country to where you wish to travel.

However, we actually see many cases of Mexicans who try to cross the northern border without the necessary documentation, crossing high-risk zones that are very dangerous, especially in desert areas or rivers with strong and not always noticeable currents.

INTRODUCTION, PAGES 2 - 3

As you read this guide you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents, as well as the rights you have in that country once you are there, independent of your immigration status.

Always keep in mind that there are mechanisms for you to enter the United States of America legally.

In any case, if you encounter problems or difficulties, remember that Mexico has 45 Consulates at its disposal in that country, whose contact information you also can find in this publication.

Identify your Consulate and go to it.

RISKS, PAGES 4 - 5
DANGERS OF CROSSING IN HIGH-RISK ZONES

Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night..

Thick clothing weighs you down when it's wet and makes it hard to swim or float.

RISKS, PAGES 6 - 7

If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so intense.

Highways and towns are very far apart, so that it could take you several days to find roads and you will not be able to carry food or water for that long. You could even get lost.

Salted water helps you retain body fluids. Although you get more thirsty, if you drink salted water the risk of dehydration is lessened.

Dehydration symptoms are:
-- Little or no perspiration
-- Dryness of eyes and mouth
-- Headache
-- Fatigue and exhaustion
-- Difficulty in walking and reasoning
-- Hallucinations and mirages

If you get lost follow utility poles, railroad tracks or furrows.

BE CAREFUL OF ALIEN SMUGGLERS, PAGES 8 - 09

BE CAREFUL OF "POLLEROS", "COYOTES" OR "PATEROS" [Various names for alien smugglers)

They can deceive you by assuring you they'll cross you [smuggle you across the border] at certain times over mountains or through deserts. This is not true! They can put your life in danger leading you through rivers, irrigation canals, desert areas, along railroad tracks or freeways. This has caused the death of hundreds of people.

If you decide to use the services of a "pollero", "coyote" or "patero" to cross the border, consider the following precautions to take:

Don't let him out of your sight; remember that he's the only one that knows the terrain and therefore is the only one that can guide you safely.

Do not trust anyone who offers to cross you over to the "other side" and asks you to drive a vehicle or carry a package for him. Regularly those...

BE CAREFUL OF ALIEN SMUGGLERS, PAGES 10 - 11

...packages contain drugs or other prohibited substances. For that reason many people have ended up in jail.

If you transport other people you can be confused with an alien smuggler and be accused of alien smuggling yourself or even vehicle theft.

Don't hand over your minor children to strangers that offer to cross them to the United States.

DO NOT USE FALSE DOCUMENTS, PAGES 12 - 13

DO NOT USE FALSE DOCUMENTS OR DOCUMENTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, NOR DECLARE A FALSE NATIONALITY

If you try to cross with documents that are false or that belong to someone else, keep the following in mind:

The use of documents that are false or that belong to someone else is a Federal crime in the United States, for which you can be criminally prosecuted and end up in jail; the same as if you give a false name or say you are a U.S. citizen when you are not.

Do not lie to U.S. border crossing or inspection booth agents.

IF YOU ARE DETAINED, PAGES 14 - 15

Do not resist arrest.

Do not assault or insult the officer.

Do not throw stones or other objects at the officers nor at the patrol cars, because this is considered a form of provocation.

If the officers feel they've been assaulted they will probably use force to detain you.

Raise your hands slowly for them to see you're unarmed.

Do not carry or hold any objects that could be construed as weapons, such as: lanterns, screwdrivers, blades, knives or stones.

IF YOU ARE DETAINED, PAGE 16 / YOUR RIGHTS, PAGE 17

IF YOU ARE DETAINED

Don't run or try to escape.

Don't hide in dangerous places.

Don't cross freeways.

It's better for you to be detained for a few hours and be repatriated to Mexico than to get lost in the desert.

YOUR RIGHTS

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED, YOU HAVE RIGHTS!

Give your true name.

If you are a minor and are accompanied by an adult, tell the authorities so they do not separate you.

YOUR RIGHTS / YOUR RIGHTS, PAGES 18 - 19

Your rights are:

To know where you are.

To request to speak to the nearest Mexican Consulate representative in order to receive help.
To not make statements or sign documents, especially if they are in English, without the aid of a defense attorney or Mexican Government Consulate representative.

To receive medical attention if you are injured or in poor health.

To receive respectful treatment regardless of your immigration status.

To be transported safely.

To have water and food when you need it.

You are not obligated to disclose your immigration status when you are detained.

YOUR RIGHTS, PAGES 20 - 21

To not be hit or insulted.

To not be held incommunicado.

In case they take away your personal effects, request a voucher in order to claim them when you are released.

If there is any violation of these rights, it's important for you to inform your attorney or Mexican Consulate representative that visits you or even the nearest Delegation of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations within Mexico.

If you want more information and you live in Texas or in Ciudad AcuÒa, Coahuila, tune in to "The Powerful Station" at AM 1570.

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED / DETAINED, PAGES 22 - 23

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED / DETAINED

If you have already been sentenced for some crime or you are in jail facing criminal prosecution, you have the following rights:

To not be discriminated against by the police, the courts or prison authorities.

To receive visits from consular officials and family members.

To receive appropriate legal counsel without conditions or obstructions.

If you being criminally prosecuted and have not yet been sentenced, ask your attorney or consular representative what the "Plea Agreement" consists of.

Do not plead guilty without first consulting your attorney about the possibilities of winning your case if you go to trial.

It's important that you know the laws of the American state where you live and work, since each state's laws are different. Bear in mind the following information:

If you drink don't drive, since if you do not have papers you can be detained and deported [a bit of INFOMUNDO editorializing here: no word about maiming or killing yourself or others as a drunk driver!].

If a legal resident is cited more than two times for drunk driving, he can be deported.

Do not drive without a driver's license.

Observe traffic signs and signals and use your seatbelt.

Do not drive without auto insurance nor drive an unknown vehicle.

[THINGS TO] AVOID, PAGES 24 - 25

Do not pick up strangers.

If you commit some traffic violation and are detained by the police, place your hands on the steering wheel and do not get out of the car until the officer requests you to do so.

Avoid calling attention to yourself, at least while you are arranging your residence papers to live in the United States.

The best formula is not to alter your routine of going between work and home.

Avoid noisy parties because the neighbors can get upset and call the police, and you could be arrested.

Avoid fighting.

If you go to a bar or night club and a fight starts, leave immediately, since in the confusion you could be arrested even if you did not do anything wrong.

Avoid family or domestic violence. As in Mexico, it is a crime in the United States.

[THINGS TO] AVOID, PAGES 26 - 27

Domestic violence does not consist solely of hitting others but also can be threats, shouting or mistreatment.

If you are accused of domestic violence against your children, your mate or someone else who lives with toy, you could go to jail. In addition, Child Protective Services authorities could take away your children.

Do not carry firearms, bladed weapons or other dangerous objects.

Keep in mind that many Mexicans have died or are in prison because of these things.

If the police enter your house or apartment, do not resist, but ask to see a search warrant. It's better to cooperate with them and ask to speak to the nearest Mexican Consulate.

CONSULATES, PAGES 28 - 29

The Secretariat of Foreign Relations has 45 consular representatives within the U.S and on its southern border, which are designed to help you. Remember: if you have been detained or are serving a sentence, you have the right to speak with the nearest Mexican Consulate. Always carry your "Guide to Consular Protection" with you at all times.

Get Near to the Consulate...
Embrace Mexico.
It's your home, fellow countryman!

- Secretariat of Foreign Relations
- General Administration of Protection and Consular Matters.

CONSULATES OF MEXICO IN THE UNITED STATES, PAGES 29 - 30
List of U.S. Cities and phone numbers.

STATES - [MEXICAN] STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICES - DIRECTORY OF OFFICES GIVING ATTENTION TO MIGRANTS IN THE REPUBLIC OF MEXICO, PAGES 31 - END
List of Mexican cities and phone numbers.

BOX ON LAST PAGE:
This consular protection guide is not promoting the crossing [of the border] of Mexicans without legal documentation required by the government of the United States; its objective is to make known the risks implied and to inform about the rights of migrants regardless of their legal residence.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:39:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By deimos:
They can say whatever they want (how to cross, how to stay low on the radars once you're in the US, what to do in case of arrest, etc, etc) as they have a nice disclaimer on the last page...

Fucking amazing...



THIS is the disclaimer that deimos spoke of:


This consular protection guide is not promoting the crossing [of the border] of Mexicans without legal documentation required by the government of the United States; its objective is to make known the risks implied and to inform about the rights of migrants regardless of their legal residence.




Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:39:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 10:43:42 AM EDT by 89grand]
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:41:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 10:44:31 AM EDT by thompsondd]




INTRODUCTION, PAGES 2 - 3

As you read this guide you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents, as well as the rights you have in that country once you are there, independent of your immigration status.




Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:43:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Is that the part where it says "If you are detained, you have RIGHTS????"

Did you look at the guide or just the pics? This ain't Playboy. It is a guide put out by the Mexican government about how to cross our boarders illegally. It is their GOVERNMENT who is advocating this practice.

WTF over?

Well, Captain Bait-and-Switch, I only read the image that you originally had in the lead post, which said only, "Cruzar por el rio puede ser muy riesgoso, sobre todo si cruzas solo y de noche. La ropa gruesa aumenta su peso al mojarse y esto dificulta nadar o flotar."
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:45:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 10:48:32 AM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Is that the part where it says "If you are detained, you have RIGHTS????"

Did you look at the guide or just the pics? This ain't Playboy. It is a guide put out by the Mexican government about how to cross our boarders illegally. It is their GOVERNMENT who is advocating this practice.

WTF over?

Well, Captain Bait-and-Switch, I only read the image that you originally had in the lead post, which said only, "Cruzar por el rio puede ser muy riesgoso, sobre todo si cruzas solo y de noche. La ropa gruesa aumenta su peso al mojarse y esto dificulta nadar o flotar."



I didn't bait and switch ANYTHING. Did you bother to look at the guide itself or were you just browsing pics that I posted here in the thread.



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:47:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Well, they certainly can draw 'em!

www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/imagenes/pag10.jpg




I think that toon violates the CoC.  I see NIPS!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:08:39 AM EDT
I sent the link via MSN to a friend of mine and he emailed me this picture and caption



THE REAL DEAL
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:16:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 11:17:11 AM EDT by DzlBenz]

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
I didn't bait and switch ANYTHING. Did you bother to look at the guide itself or were you just browsing pics that I posted here in the thread.

Easy, there, tough guy. Here's the image you had when I pounded out my initial reply:


And, no, I didn't read and translate the whole damn thing before I commented on the one page that you had posted. Sheesh.



Edited for spelling error. Again, damnit.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:23:32 AM EDT



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:18:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
I didn't bait and switch ANYTHING. Did you bother to look at the guide itself or were you just browsing pics that I posted here in the thread.

Easy, there, tough guy. Here's the image you had when I pounded out my initial reply:
www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/imagenes/pag3.jpg

And, no, I didn't read and translate the whole damn thing before I commented on the one page that you had posted. Sheesh.



Edited for spelling error. Again, damnit.



and that is the image that is still there

look, you were the one who came out with this


So, you didn't take the time to actually realize that the text is a warning about the hazards of a river crossing, then, did you?


in response to a single image posted in the thread when there is an enitre 33 page document which talks about following power lines and rail tracks to find towns and what your 'rights' are if you get caught by the boarder patrol. Seems like it was you that missed the point.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:29:57 PM EDT
Damn, all of the illegals have ripped pectorials/abs or playboy playmate physiques.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:31:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sodie:
Damn, all of the illegals have ripped pectorials/abs or playboy playmate physiques.



You obviously haven't you ever watched much Univision or Telemundo or you would know this already.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 2:05:02 PM EDT
This crap fucking sickens me.  

It's a damn instruction manual for how to invade our country and undermine our economy.  

We should declare war on Mexico, not be kissing Fox's ass.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 2:31:50 PM EDT
What a heroic people.  

I guess the tip where you mail your newly earned green card back to your brother/sister so they can come in free must appear in an addendum.  So much useful information here.  

After all, we can't denie a people their large screen TVs, and we can't expect to hog all the other services and infrustructure that we've worked so hard and so long for can we.  If we make babies then someone must feed, cloth, buy houses and TVs for them.  I guess it's you.  Besides, everyone knows that the Rich Gringo Goveernment preents as much money as you want.  Move over!  We're taking what you got.  Hope you like our garbage.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 4:30:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 4:30:43 PM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By magnum_99:
This crap fucking sickens me.  

It's a damn instruction manual for how to invade our country and undermine our economy.  

We should declare war on Mexico, not be kissing Fox's ass.  




Finally, someone sees the point.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:52:34 PM EDT
The only 'invasion' anyone in this country is worried about would be landing craft of little slant eyed brown men landing on Coney Island. Otherwise, people in this country will just sleep right through it with their eyes open.

It won't be until a couple of million of them suddenly raise the green, white, and red flag over Denver before anyone takes notice.

Now, go back to sleep.
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