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Posted: 9/10/2005 11:16:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 11:17:48 AM EDT by PeteCO]
I only have 11 tabs open right now, and my Firefox has gone from using 50MB (when I save, then re-load all 11 tabs upon restart of the app) to 264MB. Also, Firefox begins to hang while opening and loading a new tab, which it does VERY slowly. I have seen this on several different computers, on both Win 2000 and XP, and through several versions of Mozilla and Firefox.

When you open new threads in a new tab, and close other tabs, to maintain between 10 and 20 open tabs, the browser just eventually turns to shit. At that point, I need to save all open tabs, shut down Firefox, and start it up again. At this point I have to do this daily.

Wtf? You'd think they would have test cases for this, but I thought the same thing about IE, which turned to shit as well (and in a worse manner), when you'd have several windows open.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:19:39 AM EDT
Yep, it does the same thing to me in Linux.

Very annoying.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:20:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:20:43 AM EDT
That is alot of tabs.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:22:50 AM EDT
Have the same problem.........................
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:23:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CSM:
That is alot of tabs.



I have had up to 28 open at once. Example - on Ar15.com, I'll go down the list of threads, and open a new tab for each interesting one to read when I am done looking at the topics. Same with Google searches - I'll just middle-click to open a new tab to load while I am working my way down the list of results.

IE used to lose functions within the software - you'd see a menu bar disappear, a few clicks later the right-click popup menu would no longer appear, then you'd get blank windows with no identifying info at all. Shutting down a few windows wouldn't solve the problem - you'd need to shut all instances of IE down.

I'm not a developer, but I'd love to hear why this happens. Memory management? Or something else?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:26:46 AM EDT
I use mozilla.. never had to restart or anything bad because of it.

As a cross platform product, firefox is limited in use of certian platform optimizations. The memory managment (or what not) might be poor because of a least-common-demoniator approach.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:32:25 AM EDT
The Windows version memory leak has been fixed. Whether Firefox uses a lot of memory when a lot of tabs are open is another question. How much memory do you have in your machine? Having too many tabs open may well be the culprit. But other things like faulty Javascripts or Java applets can be and usually are the fault of wonky browser behavior.

Galland
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:33:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 11:34:15 AM EDT by mejames]
It is a known issue. I found out by accident, as my machine just kept getting slower and slower. I checked task manager and Firefox was using 250megs of RAM. There is supposedly a workaround, but I have not tried it. I have the latest version, and it still has a problem.

edge.i-hacked.com/archives/554
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:39:37 AM EDT
I started using Firefox a few days ago and I just switched back to IE last hour because of this very issue. The memory problem got so bad that I could not even get the computer to shut down and I just had to stand on the power key.

It is a nice browser otherwise - but on this older computer I have at home I think I will stick to IE.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:47:20 AM EDT
It's a problem for me too - even with no tabs.

I never shut my machines down. After 3 days of using only one tab, and no new windows, Firefox will consume over 500 megs on my 1GB laptop. It sucks. It's a fine browser otherwise. I've observed this on Windows AND Linux. I hate it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:48:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 11:49:15 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By mejames:
It is a known issue. I found out by accident, as my machine just kept getting slower and slower. I checked task manager and Firefox was using 250megs of RAM. There is supposedly a workaround, but I have not tried it. I have the latest version, and it still has a problem.

edge.i-hacked.com/archives/554



Just made the change and restarted. Thanks for the tip.

==================================

Here's my Firefox config tip:

You've probably noticed that some sites have figured out how to make
popups in Firefox. Here's how to defeat them:

1. Type about:config into the Firefox location bar.
2. Right-click on the page and select New and then Integer.
3. Name it privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins
4. Set the value to 2.

The possible values are:

* 0: Allow all popups from plugins.
* 1: Allow popups, but limit them to dom.popup_maximum.
* 2: Block popups from plugins.
* 3: Block popups from plugins, even on whitelisted sites.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:50:42 AM EDT
Try and open 10 IE browser windows and see what happens.

Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:51:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By CSM:
That is alot of tabs.



I have had up to 28 open at once. Example - on Ar15.com, I'll go down the list of threads, and open a new tab for each interesting one to read when I am done looking at the topics. Same with Google searches - I'll just middle-click to open a new tab to load while I am working my way down the list of results.

IE used to lose functions within the software - you'd see a menu bar disappear, a few clicks later the right-click popup menu would no longer appear, then you'd get blank windows with no identifying info at all. Shutting down a few windows wouldn't solve the problem - you'd need to shut all instances of IE down.

I'm not a developer, but I'd love to hear why this happens. Memory management? Or something else?



How much memory do you have?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:58:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Try and open 10 IE browser windows and see what happens.




When you get to 30 I'll be impressed

You'll notice all sorts of crazy stability problems.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:58:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 12:07:21 PM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
How much memory do you have?



Only half a gig on this machine.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:54:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
How much memory do you have?



Only half a gig on this machine.



That should be more than enough for Internet browsing. Yes Firefox has a memory issue, maybe it will be fixed in 1.5 which was just released in beta form.

Also IMO development of Firefox is starting to show some serious signs of not being able to keep up with threats tailored to get through it. More and more pop-ups and a LOT more spyware/cookie nastiness get through.

On another machine I have loaded the IE 7 beta which now has tabs and seems to stop spyware as well as current versions of FireFox… it does seem to be slower, but it is still a beta.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 1:45:42 PM EDT
I understand Firefox uses the same rendering engine as Mozilla, which has a reputation as a memory-leaking, bloated POS.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 10:34:15 PM EDT
Is the Opera browser any better?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 10:37:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 1:12:43 AM EDT by FieroLoki]
Give Maxthon a try. It's IE based but offers tabbed browsing. I get no Spyware, pop-ups, pop-unders or viri with it.


Edit: I HAVE had over 30 tabs open with Maxton back in my pron days. Still works like its supposed to.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 10:44:42 PM EDT
You have to be shitting me.
I'll open at least 20 windows when i start surfing ARF.
I'll also have outlook running, and have a couple other web pages open (Drudge, Superbike Planet, NFL.com) and I never have any problems.


Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Try and open 10 IE browser windows and see what happens.




When you get to 30 I'll be impressed

You'll notice all sorts of crazy stability problems.

Link Posted: 9/10/2005 10:49:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
You have to be shitting me.
I'll open at least 20 windows when i start surfing ARF.
I'll also have outlook running, and have a couple other web pages open (Drudge, Superbike Planet, NFL.com) and I never have any problems.




Looking at porn and Arf at the same time will test the mettle of any browser. I've had IE such that the taskbar scrolls dow 4 times to fit all the window icons......
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:06:44 AM EDT
I haven't seen the runaway memory problem, but I rarely get over 10 tabs open at once.

What I've had a problem with, is it not starting up correctly. It will launch, but my bookmarks bar never loads, and the browser is locked up. It has done this on every version since 1.0.3 and has done it on 3 seperate computers, one of which is a linux computer. Very annoying.

But, I love firefox. Used opera for years, but always had problems with the java stuff. Firefox does great, other than that wierd startup failure every now and then.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:58:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARinKCMO:
Used opera for years, but always had problems with the java stuff.


OT: The last time I updated Opera, which was about a year ago, I gave them permission to update for a new version, but they also loaded spyware on my machine. Fortunately Spybot picked up, and I deleted it. I am not using Opera unless absolutely necessary.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:03:56 AM EDT
I don't think i've had more than four tabs going at once. I have no troubles with firefox.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:06:04 AM EDT
I normally have to kill Firefox once a day due to memory leaks. Annoying.

OT: I had ~50 Netscape 4.11 windows open a long time ago. It was ridiculous.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:07:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:41:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WooDy_the_infidel:
I don't think i've had more than four tabs going at once. I have no troubles with firefox.



Four? Your internet-fu is weak.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:57:24 AM EDT
Current usage: 463MB
Most I've ever noted: 788MB

I love Firefox, but that particular problem sucks ass.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:59:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:13:59 PM EDT
tag for work
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:40:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 2:42:50 PM EDT by sharky30]
FF has done this to me since I started using it back at 1.0.2 or.0.3
it regularly gets up in the 200 range. saw it at 600MB once
I have the memory cache set to some low number like 12MB, makes no difference.

and I've seen this much memory usage even with only 1 or 2 tabs open

edit: 3 tabs right now. 148MB
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:45:47 PM EDT
Never seen this, but I don't like tabbed browsing....

I do regularly run 10+ firefox WINDOWS, but FF tends to stay under 100mb (WinXP, 512MB laptop)...

Then again, I actually do exit FF in the course of normal use, a/o leaving it open 24x7...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:48:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Try and open 10 IE browser windows and see what happens.




they start losing the ability to save things including pictures, and eventually the menu bar and navigation controls disappear
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:54:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:55:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 5:12:58 PM EDT by tisfortexas]

Originally Posted By -brass-:
BIG HELPFUL HINT:

Download the "Session Saver" extension, so even if Firefox crashes, it comes back up with the pages you had.



How the hell do you activate session saver after downloading? If I click tools, then extensions, session saver is listed there in the box. If I click it, it then turns to a faded blue but won't start. Then uninstall and update is highlighted. How the hell do you start it up? Maybe I downloaded it to the wrong place.

Edit: My memory also goes up to around 400mb too.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:42:49 PM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:48:04 PM EDT
Tag!
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:50:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -brass-:
Same problem here.

It will eventually use up ALL available free physical memory. Most I have had it at is 760MB of physical mem for Firefox alone, then it started to slow down alot. Closing and restarting it seems to fix it.




Damn! Only had FF get to 350 megs on my box.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:56:28 PM EDT
hmm. that fix in about:config isn't working. no matter what I set it to when I restart it's back at 16384, and right now it's using 150MB of ram
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:51:39 PM EDT
So... Thats why my pc is so slow Im not a pc guy.. But after reading this.. It makes sense..
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 8:27:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Try and open 10 IE browser windows and see what happens.




they start losing the ability to save things including pictures, and eventually the menu bar and navigation controls disappear



You are probably running out of GDI. Open task manager and select the GDI objects column. Sort the column, and you can see if there is a GDI hog.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 12:40:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tisfortexas:

Originally Posted By -brass-:
BIG HELPFUL HINT:

Download the "Session Saver" extension, so even if Firefox crashes, it comes back up with the pages you had.



How the hell do you activate session saver after downloading? If I click tools, then extensions, session saver is listed there in the box. If I click it, it then turns to a faded blue but won't start. Then uninstall and update is highlighted. How the hell do you start it up? Maybe I downloaded it to the wrong place.

Edit: My memory also goes up to around 400mb too.

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