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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:13:15 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:43:42 PM EST
That's only if the power fails.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:45:56 PM EST
If I had the disposable income to purchase a low 100K vehicle. I would purchase that.

It's a status symbol. I'm not wrenching shit on my own 100K vehicle, and I don't care if I can't get the hood open.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:47:47 PM EST
Yeah. Fuck that noise.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:52:00 PM EST
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:52:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Averagebear:
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Looks like the hood and the fuel door suck ass regardless.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:53:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Averagebear:
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not the hood, you have to do that every time.

Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:53:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
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You don't get out much then.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:54:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By leatherpuke:



not the hood, you have to do that every time.

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Originally Posted By leatherpuke:
Originally Posted By Averagebear:
That's only if the power fails.



not the hood, you have to do that every time.


Except there's nothing to see or do under the hood.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:54:22 PM EST
The hood thing is just dumb.

I get that most people don't work on their own cars anymore and there probably isn't much in the way of user serviceable stuff under there but still, one should be able to open the hood solo without damaging it
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:58:01 PM EST
That's not so much a car as it is a status symbol.

That said, the engineering is ridiculously complicated in most German cars I have tried to work on. I bought my daughter a VW Beetle 5 or 6 years ago and I hate the damn thing. I replaced the battery the other day and it was without a doubt the most complex battery switch I have ever done. Ditto headlight replacement. My wife and daughter stay out of the garage when I am working on it. The swearing gets a bit intense. Never again.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:58:14 PM EST
Knew it would be a BMW as soon as I read the thread title.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:00:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:01:59 AM EST
Need more video of green sweater girl.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:02:26 AM EST
German engineering= "Why use one part, when three, and several fasteners will work just as well."

Awesome car. One that an Automotive engineer, would design for another Automotive engineer.

For some reason the P7M8/13 comes to mind.

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:07:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NeoSaffiru:
If I had the disposable income to purchase a low 100K vehicle. I would purchase that.

It's a status symbol. I'm not wrenching shit on my own 100K vehicle, and I don't care if I can't get the hood open.
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People who need a status symbol don't deserve to be respected or have any status.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:08:20 AM EST
I have worked on the computers from my 3 series and replaced Taiwanese IC parts on the circuit boards and sensors and standard auto maintenance too but this is just a stupid nightmare.
Come on BMW...
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:09:05 AM EST
A whopping 357bhp; stand the fuck back!
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:09:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sheldonap90:




People who need a status symbol don't deserve to be respected or have any status.
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Originally Posted By sheldonap90:
Originally Posted By NeoSaffiru:
If I had the disposable income to purchase a low 100K vehicle. I would purchase that.

It's a status symbol. I'm not wrenching shit on my own 100K vehicle, and I don't care if I can't get the hood open.




People who need a status symbol don't deserve to be respected or have any status.




Like nice watches. Fuck those guys.



Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:09:56 AM EST
1-1.5 minutes for the fuel door to open?!
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:11:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
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Thats not true because, um, no wait your right.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:12:26 AM EST
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They really couldn't integrate some kind of push button detent or something in the hood hinges to keep the hood open? Sticking foreign objects in the holes seems ghetto as hell for a $135k+ car .
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:15:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By noob5000000:
They really couldn't integrate some kind of push button detent or something in the hood hinges to keep the hood open? Sticking foreign objects in the holes seems ghetto as hell for a $135k+ car .
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That would add weight.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:17:49 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:21:53 AM EST
I think I will stick with my '76 F-250
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:23:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sheldonap90:




People who need a status symbol don't deserve to be respected or have any status.
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Originally Posted By sheldonap90:
Originally Posted By NeoSaffiru:
If I had the disposable income to purchase a low 100K vehicle. I would purchase that.

It's a status symbol. I'm not wrenching shit on my own 100K vehicle, and I don't care if I can't get the hood open.




People who need a status symbol don't deserve to be respected or have any status.


Yeah, ok. You must have difficulty imagining what having 100 million in the bank would feel like. Eventually you'd just buy ludicrously advanced and inclusive items out of sheer novelty. Guns, cars, art, boats etc.

Someone pulling 300k a year salary could buy a car like that for the relative cost comparison that I'd buy a Camry or Tacoma
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:34:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
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I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:35:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
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Re-read what you wrote - and then go look in the mirror.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:36:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:

Except there's nothing to see or do under the hood.
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Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
Originally Posted By leatherpuke:
Originally Posted By Averagebear:
That's only if the power fails.



not the hood, you have to do that every time.


Except there's nothing to see or do under the hood.
Where is the windshield washer fluid container?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:58:02 AM EST
Germans have a long standing tradition of overly complicated engineering. Look at the suspensions on some of their WWII tanks. I don't know why, it just is.




Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:05:21 AM EST
It's simply one of those cars that if you can afford it, you just take it to the dealership for them to do any normal maintenance on it. There's nothing wrong with the design, it's just not a fuck with it kind of vehicle. If you want to tinker with a car, go buy something else. I like the i8.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:09:38 AM EST
It's like it was designed by and for the German mechanics' union.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:10:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
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Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this


Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:25:38 AM EST
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I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes.
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Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes.



I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:28:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bakelitedonuts:



I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes.
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Originally Posted By bakelitedonuts:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes.



I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes.

A guy that can't check his own air pressure?

Did he have a man purse also?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:28:50 AM EST
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Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/BCE81830-CFFA-4F9F-BF68-1DD5CDED5D17.jpg
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.






Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/BCE81830-CFFA-4F9F-BF68-1DD5CDED5D17.jpg





I like it, I am trying to build me a euro spec E24 right now.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:38:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

A guy that can't check his own air pressure?

Did he have a man purse also?
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By bakelitedonuts:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes.



I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes.

A guy that can't check his own air pressure?

Did he have a man purse also?



I have no clue if he has a man purse, maybe he does and it is too full of cash to fit an air chuck and compressor, no clue. I am pretty sure he can check his own tire pressure but since his Ferrari said the pressure was low and he has enough money that he doesnt have to get his hands dirty putting air into his tire, he stopped by. As a kind gesture he bought us lunch. I was pointing out that not all BMW drivers are assholes. This guy daily drives an M5 that is beast mode. He is also not an asshole.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 2:01:01 AM EST
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Oh he mad



I'm actually a sweetheart, believe it or not. I'll chalk up your assumption to having to deal with douchebags all day, since you're a BMW tech
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:44:48 PM EST


OP rides KTM and drives a 2015 WRX
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:46:22 PM EST
Condescending asshole checking in.

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:58:54 PM EST
German engineering is too complicated. My wife had a Volkswagen Scirocco back in the day, The most complicated piece of shit made. You just couldn't work on it. I'll take the Japanese any day. I'm not looking to impress anyone.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:09:46 PM EST
Worked in a factory for large manufacturing company.
One year we bought machinery from Germany. It ran so slowly and put out so few parts the item we made went obsolete quicker than any we had previously made. The machines were so complicated. It took 25-20 mins. to take all the guards off just to START to work on it. We had one machine that lost its program. I loaded started to load the program off the laptop and after 20 mins. I restarted the load over again, thinking something must be wrong. Most of our programmable machines could have it program loaded in a couple of mins. It actually took 4 hours to load the program.
When they ordered more new machinery for a newer product.....they ordered it from Germany again.......must be some kickbacks somewhere for somebody.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:10:19 PM EST

which of you has purchased this $136K base price "production concept car" which you are all currently complaining about?

c'mon, bmw sold 555 of these last year, one of the rich GD tycoons must own one, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i8

Cumulative sales totaled 555 units through December 2014.[ The i8 is sold out in the U.S. through 2015.
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ar-jedi

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:10:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By noob5000000:
They really couldn't integrate some kind of push button detent or something in the hood hinges to keep the hood open? Sticking foreign objects in the holes seems ghetto as hell for a $135k+ car .

That would add weight.


The two screwdrivers in the glove box don't count toward that figure in the owner's manual.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:12:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:
A whopping 357bhp; stand the fuck back!
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which car do you own that goes 0-60mph in 4.4 seconds, and gets an EPA-rated 76MPG?

ar-jedi

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Originally Posted By zw123:
German engineering is too complicated. My wife had a Volkswagen Scirocco back in the day, The most complicated piece of shit made. You just couldn't work on it. I'll take the Japanese any day. I'm not looking to impress anyone.
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My GF's Prius is pretty complicated. It took a half an hour of searching the manuals and online before I could figure out how to change the rear wiper blade. You pop off a trim piece on the wiper arm, pull the blade up, and it unclips. She's had the car since new(2009) and I was the first person to figure it out without telling her to "just take it to Toyota."

BTW, people with i8 money aren't DIYing.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:23:08 PM EST
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Need more video of green sweater girl.
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This ,car is a steaming pile
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:24:22 PM EST
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It doesnt make any damn sense to me but each to their own. Im from an area where the only people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year are farmers or construction guys so they still just drive normal vehicles.

I know some engineers i deal with that would have a huge orgy if they saw that car. They love nifty, overly complicated latches and fastening systems.

One of the senior engineers would blow a load in his pants the second you told him the hood takes 2 people to open and will crack easily if you dont.

They asked me to demonstrate a prototype piece of equipment in a training class when it got a full release bc we had the prototype in our area for a year trial. I couldnt get the damn panel latch safeties to release so i snapped them off with my pliers in front of the class and threw them on the ground without thinking about it. I looked up and everyone is staring at me and the engineer stopped lecturing. I told them we did that with all our demo models. We couldnt get them open otherwise.
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