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Posted: 7/12/2002 7:01:27 AM EST
[url=http://boston.com/dailyglobe2/192/metro/House_votes_to_loosen_gun_laws+.shtml]Mass. bill would let felons buy, carry arms[/url]
House votes to loosen gun laws Mass. bill would let felons buy, carry arms By Chris Tangney, Globe Correspondent, 7/11/2002 he state House yesterday overwhelmingly approved a bill that would weaken landmark gun control laws passed in 1998, voting for legislation that would allow convicted felons to legally obtain and carry a gun in Massachusetts. Backed by House Speaker Thomas M. Finneran's leadership team, the bill passed 114-32 despite outraged gun control advocates and legislators who denounced the House for loosening gun restrictions while violent crime is on the rise. ''The Legislature should be looking to get illegal firearms off the street, not re-arm violent criminals,'' said Jerry Belair, spokesman for Stop Handgun Violence, an antigun advocacy group. State Representative Timothy J. Toomey, lead sponsor of the bill, argued that the current prohibition penalizes law-abiding citizens for minor offenses committed when they were young - someone who wants to join a police force, for example, and can't because of a schoolyard fight. ''There are too many people who were convicted of a simple assault or battery,'' said Toomey, a Cambridge Democrat who voted in 1998 for gun control reforms. ''It could have happened 20 or 30 years ago. They have since served their country and are good citizens.'' The measure now moves to the Senate, where it is likely to face strong opposition, according to state Senator Cheryl A. Jacques, the chief Senate sponsor of the Gun Control Act of 1998. Senate President Thomas F. Birmingham also expressed reservations over the bill. Acting Governor Jane Swift declined to take a position, saying through a spokesman that her office would wait to see what happens in the Senate. But gun control activists and lawmakers said they are alarmed by the rapid approval, which marks the first time since the state adopted the sweeping Gun Control Act of 1998 that a pro-gun measure has gained such momentum on Beacon Hill. -cont-
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Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:02:06 AM EST
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''I'm terribly disappointed,'' said Jacques, a Needham Democrat. ''The House is taking us in the wrong direction.'' Currently, anyone convicted of a felony or violent misdemeanor, including child rape and breaking and entering at night, is barred from buying a gun. But the House bill would eliminate the lifetime ban. It keeps the ban in place for domestic violence offenders. Under the new law, ex-convicts would be able to apply for gun permits seven years after completing their sentences. Those applying for a ''License To Carry,'' which allows someone to keep a handgun, must still obtain approval from their local police chief. But those seeking permits to buy and possess rifles and shotguns would not be subject to any other review. The 1998 legislation - known as some of the toughest gun control laws in the country - banned assault weapons, increased the punishments for gun-related crimes, and established licensing guidelines, including restrictions on gun ownership for individuals with criminal records. Jacques said that the House passage was a result of powerful gun lobbyists pushing for looser restrictions even as citizens are increasingly concerned about the upsurge in violence. She emphasized that there are a number of proposals in the House that would strengthen the power of law enforcement to get guns off the street, but that instead action has been taken to restore gun-owning rights to convicted criminals. There were dissenting House members who spoke out against the bill, but the legislation, with the backing of leadership, was clearly on track to succeed after moving out of the Public Safety Committee with a favorable recommendation in May and coming from the House Ways and Means Committee this week. ''Members seem to believe that if leadership proposes, or backs, a bill, it can't be that bad,'' said J. James Marzilli Jr., an Arlington Democrat who voted against the bill. Attorney General Thomas Reilly's office also opposes the bill, noting that 1998 reforms have resulted in a reduction in crime. ''Massachusetts has been a nationwide leader on the issue of gun control,'' said Ann Donlan, Reilly's spokeswoman. ''This is no time to weaken laws that have been effective.'' This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 7/11/2002. © Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.
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Link Posted: 7/12/2002 2:39:42 PM EST
Hey, if somebody has done thier time and paid for their crime, shouldn't they get their rights back. Especially if it was not a violent crime. The right to own a weapon for self defense is one of the most primary rights. How many of us have committed some felony at one time or another, violating some drug or gun law? (not me, of course) I think in California just about everything is a felony now. [:)] Hell, if I would have just done nothing instead of registering my rifles I would have committed a felony. A felony for the simple act of doing nothing. Didn't Rand say in Atlas Shrugged that the govt. will gain power by making it impossible to not break the law, thereby putting everyone under the governments thumb?
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:11:24 PM EST
Agree with Ratters. Certainly there are violent felons who should never be allowed to legally possess firearms again. However, the gun-control types have been trying to back into gun control by increasing the number of citizens who can’t own them. The Laudenberg law being a good example. Pretty soon, anyone who got below a “B” in grade school will be forever banned from owning a firearm. [:O]
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:24:06 PM EST
Doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Stepped-init
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 6:52:28 PM EST
I agree with Ratters too. I'm just amazed the liberals in mass-a-shoe-shits would propose this type of thing. Imagine, more folks carrying guns?!?!
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:30:22 PM EST
Gotta agree with Ratters, too. Especially for non violent offenses. That you have been a felon does not degrade you to not having self defense rights.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:32:33 PM EST
I agree with Ratters [b]AND[/b] Stepped-init. the_reject
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:39:07 PM EST
Nice bias in the sub-headline, how about [i]Mass. bill would let those who have paid their debt to society buy, carry arms[/i] Oh that's right, politico correctness only applies to those the media would rather not harm.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 4:50:59 AM EST
The article in the ultra liberal Boston Globe is BULLSHIT. The following is from GOAL.org. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE: The Massachusetts House has engrossed H.5102, a bill to reform our state’s firearms licensing laws. This bill passed by an overwhelming 80 percent majority because it was clear that citizens were demanding changes to the system. If you called or wrote your state representative about this bill, please give yourself a pat on the back. But the story doesn’t end there! H.5102 now moves to the Senate. According to news reports, Senate President Birmingham will be coming out in opposition to this vital reform bill today. ACTION ITEMS: We urge all GOAL members to call their own state Senators about H.5102. Now is the time to push. Make your calls brief, and be polite. You should ask your senator to (1) support prompt passage of H.5102 and (2) to insist that Senate President Birmingham bring H.5102 to a vote soon (to find who your senator is, go to http://www.state.ma.us/legis/citytown.htm We also urge you to call the office of Senate President Birmingham (617-722-1500) and ask him to bring this up for a vote right away. Go to http://www.goal.org/H5102upd.htm and look up how your state representative voted. If they supported H.5102, please thank them. If they voted against the bill, you need to tell them how disappointed you are with their stance. WHAT DOES THE BILL REALLY DO? The opposition to H.5102 does not hesitate to lie. They have tried to portray this as a bill which will allow "violent felons" to possess guns. The truth? Here’s a list of who would still be permanently denied a license to carry: Persons convicted of a violent crime or felony involving the use, possession, ownership, transfer, purchase, sale, lease rental, receipt or transportation of weapons or ammunition; Persons convicted of a felony involving the use, possession or sale of controlled substances; and Persons who have second or subsequent convictions for misdemeanors punishable by more than two years that have as an element the use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force or a deadly weapon against the person of another, or otherwise involves conduct that presents a risk of physical injury to another. In fact, many persons convicted of misdemeanors will have to wait until seven years after their conviction (or end of probation) before they can apply for a license or FID card. Even then, the license to carry a firearm remains a discretionary license so that the police chief may deny folks who are clearly unsuitable. This bill is designed to fix a problem and restore firearms rights to thousands of citizens who used to have licenses and FID cards – folks who were suddenly deemed unsuitable by the commonwealth. GOAL’s files are full of heartrending stories of folks who were convicted of crimes twenty, thirty, and forty years ago who don’t understand why a decades-old conviction should be held against them. This bill just makes our firearms licensing system a little more fair. It still screens out violent persons. Don’t let the rhetoric of the other side win – make those calls today! The GOAL STAFF
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 4:59:58 AM EST
Why is it liberal gun-control wankers can scream that Al Qaida PRISONERS OF WAR are having their "Constitutional Rights" violated (Ummmmm, they aren't CITIZENS are they?!?!?!??) yet feel that U.S. citizens who have paid their debt to society can have their Constitutional Rights stripped from them!!! After you get out of prison you are allowed to vote, right? Why can't you have your right of self protection (bear arms)? Heck...the liberals have been trying to get CURRENT PRISONERS the right to vote while STILL IN PRISON!!! It just goes to show that they have no brains, no morals, no logic, and no set standard to measure against. It's just whatever "feels good" at the moment to satisfy their feeble-minded intellectualism.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:05:10 AM EST
Does this really matter? Because from what I understand, there are no guns MA residents are allowed to buy; especially handguns.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:14:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tailgate: After you get out of prison you are allowed to vote, right?
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Actually I thought a convicted felon does not have the right to vote even after serving thier term. Has somethiung changed? [beer]
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:18:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tailgate: Why is it liberal gun-control wankers can scream that Al Qaida PRISONERS OF WAR are having their "Constitutional Rights" violated (Ummmmm, they aren't CITIZENS are they?!?!?!??) yet feel that U.S. citizens who have paid their debt to society can have their Constitutional Rights stripped from them!!! snip It just goes to show that they have no brains, no morals, no logic, and no set standard to measure against. It's just whatever "feels good" at the moment to satisfy their feeble-minded intellectualism.
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The Leftists are a motley crew ruled by emotion rather than reason. They are bound together by a desire to steal everything from you: your security, your children, your property, and ultimately all your rights.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:21:15 AM EST
Mass is bad but not that bad! Not as bad as CA for sure. I currently live in MA! You can buy handguns in Mass, the Attorny General here has placed restrictions on handgun sales though. You can have your choice of the following models... Beretta Walther P-99 only. Any Smith and Wesson Sig Sauer All other models are illegal for a gun shop to sell unless they were made before Sept of 1998. WOW! Handguns sold have to pass a tests! Mandated by AG. On to the bill, I hope it passes Mass had 1.5 million gun owners a short time ago now there are only 200,000 statewide legal gun owners!!!! I got my permit to carry it only took three months waiting and I knew a cop who helped me get it! So heres the deal in Mass now if you are convicted of a minor thing say DUI in 1997, if you go before a judge you can never own a firearm legally again! Lets call those phone numbers and support www.goal.org Its everyones rights at stake here! "A man who owns guns knows FREEDOM!"
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 6:52:04 AM EST
Far as I'm concerned, if you're not willing to give someone back his rights, all his rights, including voting and owning fully automatic weapons, then you should either leave him in jail or hang him. Violent felon or not. Of course we all know that the proper punishment for a violent felon is to be shot dead by the intended victim at the scene of the intended crime.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 10:33:15 AM EST
How are they going to get around ATF??? It's still a federal no no, Right??
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 11:36:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/13/2002 11:37:46 AM EST by SIX]
Originally Posted By Stepped-init: Doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Stepped-init
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Egg_Zactly. And I am assuming that this is one facet of a more encompassing bill. It was a political move - the right could say they tried, they went out for a $75.00 comped lunch, when they came back they failed to notice the rider to the bill that will no doubt - kill it. The gun owners of Mass ought to be be really pissed about this slight of hand.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 1:06:36 PM EST
I'd surmise maybe,just maybe,a few well connected folks=whitecollarFELONS in MA had something to do with this bills introduction.[:|]
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 3:41:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By tinwater: Mass is bad but not that bad! Not as bad as CA for sure. I currently live in MA! You can buy handguns in Mass, the Attorny General here has placed restrictions on handgun sales though. You can have your choice of the following models... Beretta Walther P-99 only. Any Smith and Wesson Sig Sauer All other models are illegal for a gun shop to sell unless they were made before Sept of 1998. WOW! Handguns sold have to pass a tests! Mandated by AG. On to the bill, I hope it passes Mass had 1.5 million gun owners a short time ago now there are only 200,000 statewide legal gun owners!!!! I got my permit to carry it only took three months waiting and I knew a cop who helped me get it! So heres the deal in Mass now if you are convicted of a minor thing say DUI in 1997, if you go before a judge you can never own a firearm legally again! Lets call those phone numbers and support www.goal.org Its everyones rights at stake here! "A man who owns guns knows FREEDOM!"
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Well, I think Califonia is better than MASS as far as handguns are concerned. We may have the safety test requirements but I still have a choice of over 700 handguns. It is gonna be a bit more of a PITA next year with the new licensing requirements, but at least it is easier than a FOID and we don't need to get "permission" from the police. Yet. Not saying it is great, just better than some other states. The government in California really does suck though.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:12:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By tinwater: Mass is bad but not that bad! Not as bad as CA for sure. I currently live in MA! You can buy handguns in Mass, the Attorny General here has placed restrictions on handgun sales though. You can have your choice of the following models... Beretta Walther P-99 only. Any Smith and Wesson Sig Sauer All other models are illegal for a gun shop to sell unless they were made before Sept of 1998. WOW! Handguns sold have to pass a tests! Mandated by AG. On to the bill, I hope it passes Mass had 1.5 million gun owners a short time ago now there are only 200,000 statewide legal gun owners!!!! I got my permit to carry it only took three months waiting and I knew a cop who helped me get it! So heres the deal in Mass now if you are convicted of a minor thing say DUI in 1997, if you go before a judge you can never own a firearm legally again! Lets call those phone numbers and support www.goal.org Its everyones rights at stake here! "A man who owns guns knows FREEDOM!"
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Funny...I don't see Glock, Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Taurus, Ruger and some other handguns brands that you [i]CAN[/i] buy in California.
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 5:33:17 PM EST
Well… H.5102 has been getting a lot of support in the Legislature even though the glob has been trumping it as a bill to arm criminals. Mass gun owners have gotten very active on this subject (and others) and since this is an election year some of the legiscritters have figured out that they may lose if they vote “No”. If you are a gun owner in MA, join GOAL [url]www.goal.org[/url] BTW there were some shops that were selling new Glocks, which one I don’t know. SDavid the soon to be Recovering Masshole
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 6:23:23 PM EST
To you California guys- In Mass handguns are restricted to a few approved brands, which pass safety tests like dropping, unlike CA. But on the other side of the coin, we can still buy AK's, AR-15's, FAL's, and large cap mags. The laws vary greatly depending on your town police chief- if he is a real liberal, he may give you a hard time, but further from Boston, most police chiefs hand out permits with no qualms, as long as you pass a criminal background check every 4 years.
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