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Pubdate: Thursday, October 6, 2005
Source: Province, The (CN BC)
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Author: Don Harrison

Marijuana effective against morning sickness: study

92% of pregnant users surveyed report relief

Don Harrison
The Province

The controversial use of medicinal marijuana as a weapon against pregnancy-induced morning sickness has been given a boost in a B.C. study to be published by a British journal.

While women are traditionally told to avoid drugs and alcohol during pregnancy, one researcher from each of the Vancouver Island and B.C. Compassion Societies and the University of B.C. and the University of Victoria looked to see if pregnant therapeutic users of medical marijuana reported relief from their nausea and vomiting.

The researchers found that 92 per cent of the women surveyed rated pot's effect on morning-sickness symptoms as either "very effective" or "effective."

The study will be published by the Journal of Complementary Therapies in Clinical Practice, likely in 2006, said Philippe Lucas, co-author of the report.

"This is the first time that compassion-club-based research will be published in a peer-reviewed, Elsevier-listed medical journal," said Lucas, who founded the Vancouver Island Compassion Society.

UBC breastfeeding and marijuana expert Roberta Hewat was reluctant to comment on the study, but said that two major academic texts say marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" because it suppresses milk production.

Hewat also quoted the 2005 edition of Breastfeeding: A Guide for the Medical Profession by R.A. and R.M. Lawrence as saying: "Animal studies have shown that structural changes occur in the brain cells of newborn animals nursed by mothers whose milk contained cannabis. Because brain cell development is still taking place in the first months of life, any remote chance that DNA and RNA metabolism is altered should be viewed with concern."

Medicinal marijuana use for morning sickness is illegal for all but therapeutic users approved by Ottawa.

Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated"

Really? ya think so?

How stupid ARE these people?

Now you've done it.  Time to watch the alcoholic pot-haters come out of the woodwork.

Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people?

Fetuses say, "Don't bogart that joint, my friend".  

Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people?

Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner?

And you get s..l..o..w children, what a great idea.

'efing idiots

D

With out a doubt.....this is the stupidest study EVER done.

Of course it would make them feel better........but at what cost.

This actually pisses me off, that any study like this was even attempted or that any woman participated.

Quoted: And you get s..l..o..w children, what a great idea. 'efing idiots D

can we see your research on that? or are you just saying that as opinion?

bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies

Quoted: Quoted: Now you've done it.  Time to watch the alcoholic pot-haters come out of the woodwork. This ad-hominem straw-man argument is weak, even for you. Both alcohol AND narcotics are bad news for developing babies during pregnancy.

I'm just saying this thread is going to turn into a whole other marijuana compared to alcohol thread like they all do.

Did you get knocked up wolfwoman97???

Quoted: Now you've done it.  Time to watch the alcoholic pot-haters come out of the woodwork.

Yeah, I figured this would set them off.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner?

I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies.


Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing.........

Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies

shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing.........

so you knew this since birth huh? well you ain't learned too much since it seems.
do you really want to go the your mamma route ? quite uncalled for AR, but of course, that seems to be your kinds way.

since some have zero sense of humor. or couth,  I'll bow out.

Quoted: Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post.

If it were legal to do so I would not hesitate.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post. If it were legal to do so I would not hesitate.

I'm glad your theocracy hasn't been allowed then.
Who elese would you like to shoot of your fellow American citizens?



 OUT.

Thalidomide was once touted as being super effective for morning sickness too.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... so you knew this since birth huh? well you ain't learned too much since it seems. do you really want to go the your mamma route ? quite uncalled for AR, but of course, that seems to be your kinds way.

When you start trying to defend what is morally indefensible, don't expect to be taken seriously.



Smoke all the pot you want - it really doesn't bother me -  but don't force unborn children to do so.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post. If it were legal to do so I would not hesitate. I'm glad your theocracy hasn't been allowed then. Who elese would you like to shoot of your fellow American citizens?  OUT.

Just because you live here does not make you an American

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post. If it were legal to do so I would not hesitate. I'm glad your theocracy hasn't been allowed then. Who elese would you like to shoot of your fellow American citizens?  OUT.

Another anti-religious nut trying your best to drag religion into this, huh?

Pregos in Ireland believe in a pint of the Guiness a day.

OK, folks, just to cover some basic points.

There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana use, especially light occasional medicinal marijuana use, is harmful to fetuses. As one source of information there was a study of pregnant women in Jamaica, where the typical user smokes something like 28 times what a typical user in the US smokes.  

Most people who are helped by marijuana report relief from nausea within the first one or two puffs. The dosage is generally very small for such people and there is little risk of any lasting lung damage. For those who are concerned about lung damage from smoke, it can be vaporized -- heated to about 200 degrees where the essential ingredients evaporate into a cloud, but it doesn't burn.

As for alcohol and narcotics -- As usual, alcohol wins all the prizes for dangers. Deformed babies and stuff. Narcotics (opiates) do not cause long-term harm to fetuses.

Finally, talk to a few women who have had children. Some women get morning sickness so bad that it isn't just a nuisance, it is a genuine threat to their own health and the health of their child.

In those cases, they must take some kind of drug to alleviate the problem. Any drug has potential hazards to both mother and child but, as drugs go, the list of contraindications for mothers and fetuses for marijuana is quite modest.  Pregnant women shouldn't take any drug unless absolutely necessary but, if it is absolutely necessary, then marijuana is probably about as safe as any drug you will find.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies shakes head, I'm suprised some of you haven't gone that far already the way you post. If it were legal to do so I would not hesitate. I'm glad your theocracy hasn't been allowed then. Who elese would you like to shoot of your fellow American citizens?  OUT. Just because you live hear does not make you an American

I agree.  Of course, shooting someone for smoking pot makes you a murderer.  

Quoted: OK, folks, just to cover some basic points. There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana use, especially light occasional medicinal marijuana use, is harmful to fetuses. As one source of information there was a study of pregnant women in Jamaica, where the typical user smokes something like 28 times what a typical user in the US smokes.   Most people who are helped by marijuana report relief from nausea within the first one or two puffs. The dosage is generally very small for such people and there is little risk of any lasting lung damage. For those who are concerned about lung damage from smoke, it can be vaporized -- heated to about 200 degrees where the essential ingredients evaporate into a cloud, but it doesn't burn. As for alcohol and narcotics -- As usual, alcohol wins all the prizes for dangers. Deformed babies and stuff. Narcotics (opiates) do not cause long-term harm to fetuses. Finally, talk to a few women who have had children. Some women get morning sickness so bad that it isn't just a nuisance, it is a genuine threat to their own health and the health of their child. In those cases, they must take some kind of drug to alleviate the problem. Any drug has potential hazards to both mother and child but, as drugs go, the list of contraindications for mothers and fetuses for marijuana is quite modest.  Pregnant women shouldn't take any drug unless absolutely necessary but, if it is absolutely necessary, then marijuana is probably about as safe as any drug you will find.

You're using Jamaica, that paragon of higher thought and technological innovation, as an example?

Quoted: Thalidomide was once touted as being super effective for morning sickness too.

We have considerably more research on marijuana than we did on thalidomide.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... so you knew this since birth huh? well you ain't learned too much since it seems. do you really want to go the your mamma route ? quite uncalled for AR, but of course, that seems to be your kinds way. When you start trying to defend what is morally indefensible, don't expect to be taken seriously. Smoke all the pot you want - it really doesn't bother me -  but don't force unborn children to do so.

hey smart guy, I didn't defend anything in my post to you. at all. notice the then you went totally out to left field to talk about my mother.

Not really suprising from what I have read from you, but quite uncalled for as well.

give you a clue Mr. High and mighty smart ass..

My mother fought for 2 long years before losing to bone cancer.

watch you mouth.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner?

Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant.

I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high.

However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant.

Quoted: Quoted: Now you've done it.  Time to watch the alcoholic pot-haters come out of the woodwork. Yeah, I figured this would set them off.

Never drank alcohol. Never smoked pot.

I'm completely comfortable with reality, and see no reason to chemically alter it.

Quoted: Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant. I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high. However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant.

An agreeable post.  I concur.  

Quoted: Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant. I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high. However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant.

How about if morning sickness is a serious threat to mother and baby (as I have seen it, myself) and one or two puffs in the morning allows the mother to eat and have a normal day?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing.........

You think most would.
A substance that makes you act like a dumbass is probably not too good for the baby.

Quoted: Quoted: Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant. I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high. However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant. How about if morning sickness is a serious threat to mother and baby (as I have seen it, myself) and one or two puffs in the morning allows the mother to eat and have a normal day?

I'm pro-legalization, but before I'd agree that THC is a viable answer, I'd have to see more research.  

wolfman97,


Being in pharmacy and on 5 different boards. This is the first I have ever heard of any ob/gyn to give
a mom-to-be something like this to help morning sickness?

The doctor's office does have means of helping with morning sickness like buying over the counter
ginger root capsules. The ginger eases the nausea. I think alot less of a chance of harm to baby or mom. Ginger root tea even.

I had morning sickness for 6 months on bedrest at 4 months still delivered early. I didn't even take
in coffee or soda. One soda will suck the calcium out of a woman's bones. You need lots of good food for the mom/baby. Try webmd.com and look things up on pregnancy and such.

There were meds used to help moms sleep and the babies ended up with no limbs, etc. Banned it.
Please email webmd.com talk one on one with medical staff.

Take care and God Bless to all.

Quoted: OK, folks, just to cover some basic points. There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana use, especially light occasional medicinal marijuana use, is harmful to fetuses. As one source of information there was a study of pregnant women in Jamaica, where the typical user smokes something like 28 times what a typical user in the US smokes.   Most people who are helped by marijuana report relief from nausea within the first one or two puffs. The dosage is generally very small for such people and there is little risk of any lasting lung damage. For those who are concerned about lung damage from smoke, it can be vaporized -- heated to about 200 degrees where the essential ingredients evaporate into a cloud, but it doesn't burn. As for alcohol and narcotics -- As usual, alcohol wins all the prizes for dangers. Deformed babies and stuff. Narcotics (opiates) do not cause long-term harm to fetuses. Finally, talk to a few women who have had children. Some women get morning sickness so bad that it isn't just a nuisance, it is a genuine threat to their own health and the health of their child. In those cases, they must take some kind of drug to alleviate the problem. Any drug has potential hazards to both mother and child but, as drugs go, the list of contraindications for mothers and fetuses for marijuana is quite modest.  Pregnant women shouldn't take any drug unless absolutely necessary but, if it is absolutely necessary, then marijuana is probably about as safe as any drug you will find.

Dr Drew Pinski (sp) Board certified addiction specialist, runs a rehab center, of "Love Line" fame, has said many times, MJ/THC effects "maturing" brains in adolescents, leading to brain damage.

If it effects adolescent brains, what does it do to fetal brains?

Arguing that alcohol is worse than MJ to a fetus is like arguing which is worse a knee to the outer thigh, or a punch to the stomach. THEY BOTH HURT.

Great, when people's lungs are running at 200 degrees that will come in real handy.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing.........

Narcotic denotes an opiate or opium derivation.  Marijuana is most certainly not a narcotic.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... so you knew this since birth huh? well you ain't learned too much since it seems. do you really want to go the your mamma route ? quite uncalled for AR, but of course, that seems to be your kinds way. When you start trying to defend what is morally indefensible, don't expect to be taken seriously. Smoke all the pot you want - it really doesn't bother me -  but don't force unborn children to do so. hey smart guy, I didn't defend anything in my post to you. at all. notice the then you went totally out to left field to talk about my mother. Not really suprising from what I have read from you, but quite uncalled for as well. give you a clue Mr. High and mighty smart ass.. My mother fought for 2 long years before losing to bone cancer. watch you mouth. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner?

Sorry to hear about your mother - really, I am - but again, when you try to defend something as stupid as smoking pot while pregnant, don't expect to get treated with any respect.


If thinking it is STUPID to smoke marijuana during pregnancy makes me 'high and mighty', in your eyes, then so be it.

Quoted: Quoted: Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant. I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high. However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant. How about if morning sickness is a serious threat to mother and baby (as I have seen it, myself) and one or two puffs in the morning allows the mother to eat and have a normal day?

Well, what about those moms that gain excessive weight from eating too much during their pregnancy? Maybe they should toot up a couple lines and clean 3 or 4 houses before breakfast.

wolfman, you're really reaching for straws on this. If an adult wants to alter their brain chemistry, then that is their choice. A developing fetus doesn't have that choice in the matter. And until the extent of the prolonged effects of THC exposure during pregnancy can be determined, I would consider anyone gambling with their developing child in such a fashion as being irresponsible at best.

Quoted: And you get s..l..o..w children, what a great idea. 'efing idiots D

It seemed to me that the children of parents who smoked pot before, during, and after pregnancy were much more likely to be quick.  As in they could not sit still, could not concentrate, and either had ADHD type symptoms or were on medication for ADHD / ADD.

Just my observations.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... Narcotic denotes an opiate or opium derivation.  Marijuana is most certainly not a narcotic.

Barbituate - i stand corrected.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... Narcotic denotes an opiate or opium derivation.  Marijuana is most certainly not a narcotic. Barbituate - i stand corrected.

Hallucinogenic

Quoted: bullet to head: 100% effective against dope smokin hippies

Bullet to head: 100% effective to ignorant assholes.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... Narcotic denotes an opiate or opium derivation.  Marijuana is most certainly not a narcotic. Barbituate - i stand corrected.

Sorry, drug-classification nazi strikes again.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Considering that THC is fat soluble, it's pretty stupid to smoke while you're pregnant. I am pro legalization, even though I don't get high. However, it's irresponsible and downright ignorant to smoke when you're pregnant. How about if morning sickness is a serious threat to mother and baby (as I have seen it, myself) and one or two puffs in the morning allows the mother to eat and have a normal day? I'm pro-legalization, but before I'd agree that THC is a viable answer, I'd have to see more research.

Marijuana stopping nausea is well-established. That was one of the reasons that they made medical marijuana legal in Canada and the Canadian government started producing it.  Dr. Donald Abrams did some good research on that. The studies of pregnant women in Jamaica were of women who were probably using something like 100 times what a typical women with morning sickness might use, and there were no problems recorded there.

As drugs go, THC is extraordinarily safe. A friend of mine who was the head of the Pharmacology Department at the University of Texas was hired by the DEA to find the lethal dose of THC in lab rats. He couldn't find a dose big enough to kill a lab rat, and even huge doses didn't seem to do them any real long-term harm, either. The lethal dose of water is lower than the lethal dose of marijuana.

I certainly agree that women should not take drugs unnecessarily and should be careful when it is necessary, but there is pretty good evidence to show that marijuana will be at least as safe as any other option.

Oh Boy! A pissing contest...

Popcorn, check... This is gonna be good!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: marijuana use during pregnancy was "contraindicated" Really? ya think so? How stupid ARE these people? Can we see your credentials and studies ARowner? I was born with enough sense to figure out that narcotics aren't good for developing babies. Maybe you would have been, too, had your mom not been hittin' the bong when you were developing......... Narcotic denotes an opiate or opium derivation.  Marijuana is most certainly not a narcotic. Barbituate - i stand corrected. Hallucinogenic

*sigh*


next time I'll just call it 'drug'.