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Posted: 7/21/2010 6:25:09 AM EDT
Man who brought gun to Obama event sentenced
July 20, 2010 5:05 PM PORTSMOUTH — A contractor who snuck past security at a town hall forum for President Barack Obama, after leaving a loaded gun in his pickup truck, pleaded guilty to a pair of related charges and was sentenced Tuesday. Richard Terry Young, 63, of 821 Ocean Blvd., Hampton, appeared in Portsmouth District Court where he pleaded guilty to having a concealed gun without a license and criminal trespassing. Police allege that hours before Obama was due to arrive at the city high school for an August 12, 2009 forum, Young was found inside the school, beyond a security perimeter and without a ticket. When asked by federal agents if he had any weapons, Young told them he had a gun in his truck that was parked in the school lot. There, federal agents found Young's loaded .380 Kel Tec semiautomatic pistol, with a round in the chamber and concealed in a bag. Represented by attorney Monica Kieser, Young apologized before being sentenced by Judge Stephen Morrison. For carrying the concealed gun without a licence, he was sentenced to 90 days in jail and fined $1,000, with all the jail time and all of the fine suspended for two years, pending his good behavior. For the trespassing conviction, Young was court-ordered to perform 25 hours of community service and provide proof to the court within 30 days. Another $1,000 fine was imposed and also suspended pending his good behavior for two years. In March, Young negotiated a prior plea deal which was rejected by Judge Sawako Gardner. Prosecutor Karl Durand offered to place the gun charge on file without a finding for one year, with conditions. With a guilty plea to the trespassing charge, Durand recommend that Young be given a suspended $1,000 fine, ordered to perform 50 hours of community service and given a suspended 90-day jail sentence, all contingent on two years of good behavior. “The Secret Service determined (Young) was not a threat at that time, or in the future to the President,” Durand said four months ago. “He voluntarily made sure they knew the gun was there and we don't think he had any intention of bringing it into the high school. He has had a long interest in weapons.” Kieser told the court the Secret Service conducted “a full threat assessment” before deciding not to pursue separate federal charges against her client. She also reminded the court that a man who was wearing a loaded gun at the same presidential event “was not prosecuted.” She was referring to William Kostrick, who stood on the lawn of a nearby church wearing his 9 mm Smith & Wesson pistol holstered openly to his right thigh. Kostrick told the Herald it was a demonstration in honor of the state's open carry law. “I frankly found that conduct more dangerous,” Kieser told the court. “Be that as it may,” said the judge, “I'm not taking that portion of the recommended sentence.” Young, a masonry contractor, is the owner of Plain & Fancy Brick Work in Hampton. http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100720-NEWS-100729970 |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Void where prohibited by law. |
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Guilty of conspiracy to keep and bear arms.
And did a reporter, who gets paid to write the English language, just use the word "snuck'? Well, snuck you, reporter. |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? |
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Kieser also told the court the federal gun ban at schools was found unconstitutional, has been rewritten and is "not widely used in New Hampshire."
Police Capt. Corey MacDonald told the Herald following Tuesday's hearing that he searched Young's home after his arrest and also concluded he was not a public threat. Young, a masonry contractor, is the owner of Plain & Fancy Brick Work of Hampton. MacDonald previously told the Portsmouth Herald that New Hampshire law prohibits persons without licenses from carrying concealed weapons on their person or in their vehicles. If Young had left the gun on the seat of his truck, or removed the ammunition, no law would have been broken, he confirmed. The Kel Tec .380 is a highly concealable weapon, weighing just 7.2 ounces and measuring 5.1 inches in overall length, according to manufacturer's specifications. http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100312-NEWS-3120375 |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? herp derp |
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So a taxpayer goes into a "open townhall meeting" on tax payer funded property where there is going to be a discussion with a "public servant" and he is sentanced for "tresspassing?"
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Quoted: Quoted: The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? |
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Quoted: Quoted: The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? When does school start back again? Is it middle of August for everyone? |
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He played a stupid game:
Voluntarily INVITING the MAN into your life: "I don't have any concealed weapons on my person, Officer - but I have one in my TRUCK fifty yards away!" is stupid. Carrying a loaded, concealed weapon in that truck - in violation of state law since he didn't have a CCW - and then ADMITTING to it is really, really stupid. Unfortunately, I see no reason to rally behind this person. Chalk it up to experience. "Shall not be infringed" wouldn't apply if he lived in a shall-issue state and all other aspects of the case were the same; so I will avoid debating its merits here. |
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So having a gun in his truck is what he got convicted for. Whoa, just whoa.
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Quoted: So a taxpayer goes into a "open townhall meeting" on tax payer funded property where there is going to be a discussion with a "public servant" and he is sentanced for "tresspassing?" It was not an 'open' meeting, merely styled like an open forum, hence why you needed a ticket. Second, because its public property does not mean its open to the public, try waltzing into a .mil base or a court house with being expressly allowed in. |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? When does school start back again? Is it middle of August for everyone? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not as cut and dry as some think. |
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Quoted: So having a gun in his truck is what he got convicted for. Whoa, just whoa. No, concealed in his truck while loaded is. Though if he had a license he would have been fine. The law is meant to stop people from poaching from their car, hence why they let him go with good behavior. |
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he didn't "bring a gun to an obama event". he went to an obama event, and had a frearm outside in his parked car. two VERY different things. |
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Getting a CCW in NH is filling out a single page form, paying $20 and waiting no more than 2 weeks. (by law). And is good for 4 years.
No photos. No fingerprints. No nothing. Just fill out the form and pay the 20 spot. It's stupid NOT to have one. Having said that, it would not cover leaving a loaded gun in your vehicle. Only concealed on your person. To the best of my knowledge, a loaded gun left in a vehicle is a no-no, no matter how you cut it. |
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Quoted: he didn't "bring a gun to an obama event". he went to an obama event, and had a frearm outside in his parked car. two VERY different things. Yep.. and was dumb enough to tell the popo about it. |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? derpity doo |
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He played a stupid game: Voluntarily INVITING the MAN into your life: "I don't have any concealed weapons on my person, Officer - but I have one in my TRUCK fifty yards away!" is stupid. Carrying a loaded, concealed weapon in that truck - in violation of state law since he didn't have a CCW - and then ADMITTING to it is really, really stupid. This. |
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The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? When does school start back again? Is it middle of August for everyone? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not as cut and dry as some think. Troll much? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The right to "keep and bear" shall NOT BE INFRINGED. Should inmates have them in their jail cells? When does school start back again? Is it middle of August for everyone? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not as cut and dry as some think. Troll Fail. |
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So a taxpayer goes into a "open townhall meeting" on tax payer funded property where there is going to be a discussion with a "public servant" and he is sentanced for "tresspassing?" It was not an 'open' meeting, merely styled like an open forum, hence why you needed a ticket. Second, because its public property does not mean its open to the public, try waltzing into a .mil base or a court house with being expressly allowed in. My point was, that the "townhalls" are packed and they don't want to have joe the plumber types in who might make an embarassing question, thus the need to be selected. |
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I avoid all those gathers where any president makes an appearance. The equivalent of getting a cavity search is no fun.
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OK, wait. Gun was in his vehicle, not on his person? Bad arrest. Secret Service deemed him to be a non threat? Bad on local LEOs to trump SS. Case should never have been heard in that case. Prosecutor and lead detective should be ashamed of themselves for this if that were the case.
Any prior arrests for violence? Any mental problems? Any threats made to anyone in attendance there? No? I CALL BULLSHIT ON THE WHOLE THING! Appeal and sight violation of Constitutional rights. |
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Here in NM you can have a loaded gun in your vehicle on school grounds. Hell you can have it in a zipper bag on your bicycle and it is still considered ok.
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Yeah that is strange to me. In my state what he did would not be a crime.
Well maybe the being there without a ticket. |
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Quoted: Thank God that this dangerous criminal has been dealt with! thank god indeed. he had a round IN the chamber** **in a pistol not readily available inside a parked car outside of the building |
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Kieser also told the court the federal gun ban at schools was found unconstitutional, has been rewritten and is "not widely used in New Hampshire." Police Capt. Corey MacDonald told the Herald following Tuesday's hearing that he searched Young's home after his arrest and also concluded he was not a public threat. Young, a masonry contractor, is the owner of Plain & Fancy Brick Work of Hampton. MacDonald previously told the Portsmouth Herald that New Hampshire law prohibits persons without licenses from carrying concealed weapons on their person or in their vehicles. If Young had left the gun on the seat of his truck, or removed the ammunition, no law would have been broken, he confirmed. The Kel Tec .380 is a highly concealable weapon, weighing just 7.2 ounces and measuring 5.1 inches in overall length, according to manufacturer's specifications. http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100312-NEWS-3120375 How did this event give them PC to search the mans home ? |
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Getting a CCW in NH is filling out a single page form, paying $20 $10 and waiting no more than 2 weeks. (by law). And is good for 4 years. No photos. No fingerprints. No nothing. Just fill out the form and pay the 20 10 spot. It's stupid NOT to have one. Having said that, it would not cover leaving a loaded gun in your vehicle. Only concealed on your person. To the best of my knowledge, a loaded gun left in a vehicle is a no-no, no matter how you cut it. Fixed it for you. WTF? The guy was arrested for sneaking into a "closed" (i.e. tickets required) event with the POTUS. (Stupid Act 1) They then search his truck and find a "concealed" handgun (hey, that's the definition under the law. Very plainly spelled out.) , and he is not licensed to carry a handgun concealed. (Stupid Act 2) Doesn't seem like my idea of a "wronged hero" to rally behind. |
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Getting a CCW in NH is filling out a single page form, paying $20 $10 and waiting no more than 2 weeks. (by law). And is good for 4 years. No photos. No fingerprints. No nothing. Just fill out the form and pay the 20 10 spot. It's stupid NOT to have one. Having said that, it would not cover leaving a loaded gun in your vehicle. Only concealed on your person. To the best of my knowledge, a loaded gun left in a vehicle is a no-no, no matter how you cut it. Fixed it for you. WTF? The guy was arrested for sneaking into a "closed" (i.e. tickets required) event with the POTUS. (Stupid Act 1) They then search his truck and find a "concealed" handgun (hey, that's the definition under the law. Very plainly spelled out.) , and he is not licensed to carry a handgun concealed. (Stupid Act 2) Doesn't seem like my idea of a "wronged hero" to rally behind. How about, "Sorry sir, but you don't have a ticket so you will have to leave. Okay, thanks, bye." |
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Getting a CCW in NH is filling out a single page form, paying $20 $10 and waiting no more than 2 weeks. (by law). And is good for 4 years. No photos. No fingerprints. No nothing. Just fill out the form and pay the 20 10 spot. It's stupid NOT to have one. Having said that, it would not cover leaving a loaded gun in your vehicle. Only concealed on your person. To the best of my knowledge, a loaded gun left in a vehicle is a no-no, no matter how you cut it. Fixed it for you. WTF? The guy was arrested for sneaking into a "closed" (i.e. tickets required) event with the POTUS. (Stupid Act 1) They then search his truck and find a "concealed" handgun (hey, that's the definition under the law. Very plainly spelled out.) , and he is not licensed to carry a handgun concealed. (Stupid Act 2) Doesn't seem like my idea of a "wronged hero" to rally behind. How about, "Sorry sir, but you don't have a ticket so you will have to leave. Okay, thanks, bye." Oh, please. He didn't walk up to the door and try to get in, or inadvertently walk through the wrong door.. He purposely avoided security and slipped through. If some moonbat had purposely evaded security to get in to where W was speaking, would we advocate the Sec Service just say, "Sorry, sir, but you don't have a ticket..." I don't think so. I hate the cliche, but "Play stupid games..." |
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