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Posted: 3/17/2011 5:40:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 5:42:16 AM EDT
[#1]
I would have shot him.  So should she.  I say she gets written up for that one.  



Of course I always have a bit of respect for someone who uses the tools they deem necessary to keep from killing a suspect.  It worked out OK for her, this time.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 5:45:08 AM EDT
[#2]
Mah baby dint do nuffin. Why did she have to spray him? Couldn't she just take the battery out of the saw? He had asthma when he was little, he could have been seriously hurt or killed. We'll shut up and go away for $250,000.

 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:05:05 AM EDT
[#3]



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Should have shot him.


I would have



 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:20:34 AM EDT
[#4]
Sounds like someone who needed to be shot.  Probably still does.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:22:30 AM EDT
[#5]



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Steven Glen Shelton, 38, smelled of alcohol and clenched a cigarette in his teeth as he picked up a handheld cordless power saw, turned it on, spit on the officer, and charged her



http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/3439216-Man-threatens-Idaho-cop-with-a-power-saw/



officer sidestepped Shelton and sprayed him in the face with pepper spray



Should have shot him.


Holy shit, man...that would have definitely been a good shoot!!



What the fuck is wrong with people?



Good for her for not using deadly force, but it was certainly warranted in this case....geeez...



 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:24:08 AM EDT
[#6]
There are black people in Idaho?
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:26:53 AM EDT
[#7]
Good pepper spray.

Would have been a better shoot.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:27:32 AM EDT
[#8]
Having been OC'ed and required to work through it to fight and cuff a "suspect", I have absolutely no intention of using it unless everything else on my belt has fallen off or is empty. It's a step above worthless for causing violent actions to cease.



She should have shot him. Playing with those hot peppers was her putting her life in danger.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:28:27 AM EDT
[#9]
Wonder if the the cop told the guy "Cut it out" after OC'ing the guy.  
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:29:17 AM EDT
[#10]
Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:30:21 AM EDT
[#11]
I didn't know a chain saw was considered an edged weapon.  Geez, this state is the mfg home of Buck Knives.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 7:33:59 AM EDT
[#12]
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There are black people in Idaho?


There a more than most people realize. They just dont live like they are still in the hood (generally speaking of course) so theyrarely make the news.

I even had a Somoan (spelling) neighbor for a while.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:02:48 AM EDT
[#13]



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Steven Glen Shelton, 38, smelled of alcohol and clenched a cigarette in his teeth as he picked up a handheld cordless power saw, turned it on, spit on the officer, and charged her



http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/3439216-Man-threatens-Idaho-cop-with-a-power-saw/



officer sidestepped Shelton and sprayed him in the face with pepper spray



Should have shot him.


Holy shit, man...that would have definitely been a good shoot!!



What the fuck is wrong with people?



Good for her for not using deadly force, but it was certainly warranted in this case....geeez...

 


He was probably damn near falling down drunk. Unless she is a superninja, if she felt comfortable enough (or even able to) to side-step a dumbass with a cordless saw, I doubt he had full motor skills. Hell, he could had already fallen down after missing her before she sprayed him. We can't make that call without being there.



I'm thinking this guy with a powertool instead of a lawnmower.





 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:06:58 AM EDT
[#14]



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There are black people in Idaho?


And racists, too, apparently.  I was told that they only lived in the South.



 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:09:33 AM EDT
[#15]



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There are black people in Idaho?


I laughed. I'm going to hell.

 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:11:15 AM EDT
[#16]
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There are black people in Idaho?


Not very many.

A lot of African refugees in the Boise area though.

They get thousands in food stamps and we practically pay them to live here.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:12:11 AM EDT
[#17]
drunk crazy man with chainsaw=shoot to slide lock.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:13:33 AM EDT
[#18]
She identified it as an old 5'' Ryobi  and correctly theorized that because he was 7 feet away by the time he closed the distance the battery would either be dead or the blade would harmlessly stop when it touched her.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:13:49 AM EDT
[#19]
She's lucky to still be in one piece.. Literally..

Bad tactics to meet deadly force with non-lethal..

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:14:31 AM EDT
[#20]







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She identified it as an old 5'' Ryobi  and correctly theorized that because he was 7 feet away by the time he closed the distance the battery would either be dead or the blade would harmlessly stop when it touched her.










My first and last Ryobi purchase was a table saw that was so horribly-built that I took it back to the store the same day I bought it, after making and ruining exactly two cuts with it.
 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:28:46 AM EDT
[#21]
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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.


She would have been justified double tapping him until he went down.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:31:28 AM EDT
[#22]
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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.




She doesn't deserve praise for bad tactics..

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:33:21 AM EDT
[#23]
A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:33:28 AM EDT
[#24]
Someones been watching way too many zombie flicks.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:33:59 AM EDT
[#25]
That's the part of town we try to stay out of. ( Around the ball park.)

Lucky for him that he wasn't in Boise, he would not have made it.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:35:14 AM EDT
[#26]
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That's the part of town we try to stay out of. ( Around the ball park.)

Lucky for him that he wasn't in Boise, he would not have made it.


Yeah, BPD would have shot his ass.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:35:31 AM EDT
[#27]
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There are black people in Idaho?


I've seen 3 in Idaho Falls.  There's at least a dozen in Boise area.

Good people.

We have problems with drunk mormans and illegal Mexicans.  The illegals don't like to get car insurance.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:40:22 AM EDT
[#28]
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:41:57 AM EDT
[#29]
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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.


I would send her to remedial training and psych evaluation to determine if she has the mental ability to depoly deadly force.


This..

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:42:43 AM EDT
[#30]
Your choice:

1. the perp and the officer are invited to the White House for a beer and to fill out basket ball play off brackets;

2.  the perp was only auditioning for a remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre;

3.  the perp was simply cutting up;

4.  the perp is an Afcom member.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:43:17 AM EDT
[#31]
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:44:03 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm thinking this guy with a powertool instead of a lawnmower.



if the guy with the power tool was anything like the lawnmower man... hell I can see using OC over a gun too.  ... just so you can go home at the end of the day and laugh your butt off.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:45:35 AM EDT
[#33]
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That's the part of town we try to stay out of. ( Around the ball park.)

Lucky for him that he wasn't in Boise, he would not have made it.


Yeah, BPD would have shot his ass.


No joke...

I'm always scared they're going to shoot me for open carrying in my truck. (If I was to get pulled over, which I haven't yet)
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:50:20 AM EDT
[#34]
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There are black people in Idaho?


Last count was seven.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:51:03 AM EDT
[#35]



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A comment from the website:




This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.




ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.


Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.



 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:55:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:

Quoted:
A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:56:31 AM EDT
[#37]



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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.




I would send her to remedial training and psych evaluation to determine if she has the mental ability to depoly deadly force.




This..



It sounds like she is reasonably competent and made the decision to not shoot a drunk guy. Are you concerned for her safety, or are you concerned about this becoming a case precedent and affecting department policies where you work?





 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:57:00 AM EDT
[#38]
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Steven Glen Shelton, 38, smelled of alcohol and clenched a cigarette in his teeth as he picked up a handheld cordless power saw, turned it on, spit on the officer, and charged her

http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/3439216-Man-threatens-Idaho-cop-with-a-power-saw/

officer sidestepped Shelton and sprayed him in the face with pepper spray

Should have shot him.


you know I do have to agree with that I am sure she would have been justified but at the same time I give it to her for trying it the other way

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 8:59:25 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
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A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.



Were you there?  Are are you basing your conclusion on a an article from the same people who use phrases like "high capacity ammunition"?

I'm not sure how things work down there, but up here it's generally considered bad form to shoot somebody when you don't need too.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:00:51 AM EDT
[#40]
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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.


She would have been justified double tapping him until he went down.


If I were her CO I would have approved either method.

She was perfectly justified to shoot (lethal weapon) yet cognizant enough to not simply go full retard emptying three mags into the fool.

That's from the story.


Now if she was HESITANT to shoot someone so 'armed' then that is a different matter and would require some detailed evaluation.  eta:  Bama already mentioned this
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:01:25 AM EDT
[#41]
As the officer on the ground it was her decision. I have had a man come at me with a knife, but he was so pissed he was more likely to fall over and stab himself than be able to get to me......................he simply fell over and gave up.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:02:11 AM EDT
[#42]
It sounds like she is reasonably competent and made the decision to not shoot a drunk guy. Are you concerned for her safety, or are you concerned about this becoming a case precedent and affecting department policies where you work?


This.

She was there, we weren't.  Just because she chose differently than others may have does not mean she was wrong. Nor does it mean she should be punished for it.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:02:26 AM EDT
[#43]
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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.


I would send her to remedial training and psych evaluation to determine if she has the mental ability to depoly deadly force.


This..

It sounds like she is reasonably competent and made the decision to not shoot a drunk guy. Are you concerned for her safety, or are you concerned about this becoming a case precedent and affecting department policies where you work?

 


Don't be rediculous, if some drunk guy is coming at you with a saw and you can use pepper spray or a firearm you know you're using your firearm.
This won't become case precedent, she used bad tactics. Meeting lethal force with non lethal is stupid and dangerous.

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:04:09 AM EDT
[#44]



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A comment from the website:




This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.




ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.


Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.

 




We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...

She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.



If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.





 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:08:28 AM EDT
[#45]
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A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.

If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.

 




The only way I can see not shooting this guy is if he's laying on the floor slobbering on himself, then maybe.. If he's up and moving then there's a huge problem with her tactics.
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:09:54 AM EDT
[#46]
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A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.

If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.

 




The only way I can see not shooting this guy is if he's laying on the floor slobbering on himself, then maybe.. If he's up and moving then there's a huge problem with her tactics.


Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:10:21 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
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A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.

If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.

 




The only way I can see not shooting this guy is if he's laying on the floor slobbering on himself, then maybe.. If he's up and moving then there's a huge problem with her tactics.

Clearly not every situation absolutely demands that Tactic STK be applied.





- ShootToKill
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:11:00 AM EDT
[#48]



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Good for the officer for engaging her brain before engaging her trigger finger.




I would send her to remedial training and psych evaluation to determine if she has the mental ability to depoly deadly force.




This..



It sounds like she is reasonably competent and made the decision to not shoot a drunk guy. Are you concerned for her safety, or are you concerned about this becoming a case precedent and affecting department policies where you work?



 




Don't be rediculous, if some drunk guy is coming at you with a saw and you can use pepper spray or a firearm you know you're using your firearm.

This won't become case precedent, she used bad tactics. Meeting lethal force with non lethal is stupid and dangerous.



Honestly, it depends how drunk he is, if I have been there dealing with him for a few minutes so I'm aware of how incapacitated he is... Yes, there are drunk guys who are dangerous, but there are drunk guys who are a sip of water away from pissing their pants. She could have watched him fall down twice already, she could have already had the OC in hand to spray him for non-compliance before that, and he reached over and grabbed it off a sawhorse, she sprayed him and it was over. Who knows? Not you or me.





 
Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:13:23 AM EDT
[#49]
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A comment from the website:

This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.


ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.

Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.
 


We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...
She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.

If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.

 




The only way I can see not shooting this guy is if he's laying on the floor slobbering on himself, then maybe.. If he's up and moving then there's a huge problem with her tactics.




Ever pepper spray a guy full in the face and have him laugh at you? I have, it's pretty sobering..
I

Link Posted: 3/17/2011 9:14:06 AM EDT
[#50]



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A comment from the website:




This officer is an instructor in just about every form of defensive tactics we have in our academy. I just taught with her this past week. Believe me, if deadly force had been needed she would have deployed it without a seconds hesitation. We work at different deparments but I would not give a second thought to trusting my back and my life to this officer. We chatted a short bit about this call when we got together Monday and she was treating it like every other call but I didn't get in to too many details with her. I did not get the impression that she felt her life was threatened enough to warrant deadly force. I'm not sure if it was because of distance or perhaps she already had her OC out and it was the most accessible tool at the time. But she definitely does not deserve any bashing over it.




ETA: Sounds like the guy was falling down drunk.  Not exactly a challenge to deal with without going to deadly force.


Can't let facts get in the way of a chance to pull the trigger. She had an excuse to shoot somebody, and she didn't. She should be fired.

 




We all know drunk people are incapable of killing someone, and that pepper spray works every time...

She might be the greatest instructor in the world, still doesn't mean she'll drop the hammer if she needs to.



If she was fresh out of the academy, I'd be more inclined to buy into the "She got lucky" argument. As it is, it sounds like she is a seasoned, experienced officer, and she was there, not any of us. The news story is going to be written to make it sound more exciting than it was, because it was a novel situation. They don't write stories every time OC is deployed, but this involved a drunk racist with a power tool. They're not going to say "He took a step toward the officer, then fell down because his BAC was so high he was flammable." They're going to tell how she gracefully sidestepped his attack and stopped the bad guy, just like in the movies.



 

The only way I can see not shooting this guy is if he's laying on the floor slobbering on himself, then maybe.. If he's up and moving then there's a huge problem with her tactics.


Ok, situation time: There's an 8 year old with a baseball bat coming at you for cuffing his big brother and putting him in the back of your squad. Does DLaw pull the trigger? Why or why not?



 
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