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Posted: 9/8/2013 5:34:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:40:30 AM EDT
It's legal tender and must be accepted.  I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:41:33 AM EDT
I know a guy who tried to pay in sheep.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:43:37 AM EDT
If you don't pay your property taxes in pennies you're a statist.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:44:45 AM EDT
Should have left the kids at home. The Clerk didn't set the Tax rate, he's blaming the wrong individual.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:45:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?
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You know how many people claim this when they try to pay parking tickets in pennies? Doesn't work that way...
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:45:56 AM EDT
I dream of doing shit like this.  One day, I'm going to personally drive a truck bed full of pennies to the IRS to pay my taxes.

Then I'll sue them when they don't accept it
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:46:00 AM EDT
More people should do the same
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:47:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CheeseHeadNinja:


You know how many people claim this when they try to pay parking tickets in pennies? Doesn't work that way...
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Originally Posted By CheeseHeadNinja:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?


You know how many people claim this when they try to pay parking tickets in pennies? Doesn't work that way...


But pennies are money and not the fiat currency the federal reserve notes are.  
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:48:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:

It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?
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Originally Posted By 4v50:

It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?


Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.





No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.




Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:49:43 AM EDT
Anytime a person says "I'm not trying to make your job difficult", he really is.  And as said above he's fucking over the wrong person.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:50:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
I dream of doing shit like this.  One day, I'm going to personally drive a truck bed full of pennies to the IRS to pay my taxes.

Then I'll sue them when they don't accept it
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The rules aren't for them, just you.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:50:39 AM EDT
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Does he really need that many people with cameras, he's probably also a guy that brings his annoying kids to restaurants and on airplanes.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:51:10 AM EDT
Holy drama queen.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:53:00 AM EDT
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Should have used that for the strip club instead.  Would have been epic.



ETA:  And, they would have gladly counted it there!

Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:53:01 AM EDT
I don't understand the point.

"I'm not here to make your life more difficult, but here's 7k $1 bills."

That's like morons that believe saying "No offense, but" excuses whatever bullshit they're going to say next. It doesn't. You're still an asshole.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:53:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted.  I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?
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No on both.
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:54:06 AM EDT



The guy thinks he is making a huge statement when in reality, all he is doing is making life more difficult for some $12 per hour clerk.

Nice going Captain Freedom.


Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:54:07 AM EDT
Guy in jacket with glasses recording is a douche.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:56:43 AM EDT
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Guy in jacket with glasses recording is a douche.
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All parties involved are douches
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 5:57:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.



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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?

Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.




A State didn't print the bills.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:03:16 AM EDT
What an asshole.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:04:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2A373:


A State didn't print the bills.
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Originally Posted By 2A373:
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?

Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.




A State didn't print the bills.


That and Congress delegated its power to create money away under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:11:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ArmaNotSoLite:



I don't understand the point.





"I'm not here to make your life more difficult, but here's 7k $1 bills."





That's like morons that believe saying "No offense, but" excuses whatever bullshit they're going to say next. It doesn't. You're still an asshole.
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Is that any different from some government lackey saying "I don't make the laws, but I'm here to take your land by force over tribute you didn't pay"?





 
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:12:31 AM EDT
Wanna be a BALLER!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:20:01 AM EDT
Property taxes should be completely outlawed.



The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.



It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.




Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:21:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Property taxes should be completely outlawed.

The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.

It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.

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It's insurance to pay for the public services that protect your property.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:24:28 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:


Property taxes should be completely outlawed.



The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.



It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.



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Considering the services received they wouldn't be all that bad. The main problem is that you have to fund the attempted education of other people's children. If I didn't have to fund education of people I've never met my property taxes would not cover much more than the volunteer fire department, sheriff, and a few county workers that actually seem to do work.



 
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:25:36 AM EDT
"For all debts public and private"
Fuck 'em, lucky they didn't get pennies.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:28:13 AM EDT
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Should have wraped that knot in a $100 bill.

Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:30:45 AM EDT
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nvm
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:31:15 AM EDT
He made a good point.  Often times, we really don't see exactly how much money is going towards property and school taxes.  "It's just part of the mortgage."

Good on him.  It's a ridiculous amount of money with often way too much waste.  This goes for all taxes, not just local school taxes.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:35:09 AM EDT
I totally agree with this guy. Things are out of hand, and you have to start somewhere. People are sick and tired of getting robbed by this government and it's out of control spending. He has good points.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:40:58 AM EDT
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       OK, this is local to me, and I have no sympathy for this guy.






























Robert Fernandes, a father of three, moved to Forks Township [PA] a year ago from Warren County [NJ], seeking lower property taxes for a larger home that could also house his elderly parents. Fernandes commutes to work as an IT manager for a company in Bedminster Township, N.J., while his wife home-schools the children, ages 7, 4 and 1.



Fernandes says he got a great deal on a short sale when he bought his home, but his annual property taxes total nearly $10,000. Reached by phone Tuesday, Fernandes said he doesn’t want to pay $7,143 in school taxes.







Just another immigrant from NJ moving into Free America and gradually turning it into West Jersey.  If you didn't do your research about the taxes on the home you bought, that's your problem.











 
 
 

 
 
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:41:17 AM EDT
Clerk should have started counting. Not finished by quitting time. Told him to come back tomorrow.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:43:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:
Considering the services received they wouldn't be all that bad. The main problem is that you have to fund the attempted education of other people's children. If I didn't have to fund education of people I've never met my property taxes would not cover much more than the volunteer fire department, sheriff, and a few county workers that actually seem to do work.
 
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Property taxes should be completely outlawed.

The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.

It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.

Considering the services received they wouldn't be all that bad. The main problem is that you have to fund the attempted education of other people's children. If I didn't have to fund education of people I've never met my property taxes would not cover much more than the volunteer fire department, sheriff, and a few county workers that actually seem to do work.
 


This. Get the damn school district taxes out of it and have people pay for their individual children's education. My property tax for the county and city are 267.72. However the taxes from just the local school district are 671.68. I don't have children and being forced to pay for other peoples children and the end of a gun is bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:45:15 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By Snips:
It's insurance to pay for the public services that protect your property.
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Originally Posted By Snips:



Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Property taxes should be completely outlawed.



The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.



It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.







It's insurance to pay for the public services that protect your property.




 
My county (and hospital) gets about 15% of my tax bill. The rest goes to the school district and water authority. I have no kids and have a well.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:50:30 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By AKengineer:



Considering the services received they wouldn't be all that bad. The main problem is that you have to fund the attempted education of other people's children. If I didn't have to fund education of people I've never met my property taxes would not cover much more than the volunteer fire department, sheriff, and a few county workers that actually seem to do work.

 
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:



Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Property taxes should be completely outlawed.



The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.



It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.



Considering the services received they wouldn't be all that bad. The main problem is that you have to fund the attempted education of other people's children. If I didn't have to fund education of people I've never met my property taxes would not cover much more than the volunteer fire department, sheriff, and a few county workers that actually seem to do work.

 
Yep.

 
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 6:59:00 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:



Originally Posted By 4v50:

It's legal tender and must be accepted.  I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?


No on both.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

So, If legal tender does not by law have to be accepted, then, does offering payment in full with legal tender and being refused negate the debt?

 
In other words, he is my money, take it........ response NO..... mkay there is no debt now.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:01:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 50cal:
Clerk should have started counting. Not finished by quitting time. Told him to come back tomorrow.
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Six thousand, nine hundred and forty three...
Six thousand, nine hundred and forty four...
Six thousand, nine hundred and forty five...
Six thousand, nine hundred and for......

Oops.  Lost count.

One...
Two...
Three..

Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:02:54 AM EDT
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EXACTLY!!!

Call the clerks supervisor......then call the supervisors superior.......and so forth!

Invite the local news reporter.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:03:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mitchellh:
Should have left the kids at home. The Clerk didn't set the Tax rate, he's blaming the wrong individual.
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This

Paying in one dollar bills is

what a moron
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:04:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Property taxes should be completely outlawed.

The idea that a government can charge you a fee for owning property, every year, is absurd, ludicrous, and ultimately criminal.

It's one of the worst abuses of government that we have become conditioned to accept as normal and ordinary.

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You don't own the property.The U.S. GOVERNMENT  owns all property within it's borders.You may hold a deed of trust if you don't own anything on it.All taxes are too high.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:11:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.



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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's legal tender and must be accepted. I wonder if this excuses him from having to pay?

Article 1 Section 10 United States Constitution.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.




That says that states may not mint define their own state level currency except for precious metals which will always have an easily identifiable exchange value at a federal level.  I don't see how what you've quoted is relevant in this case.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:12:25 AM EDT

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       OK, this is local to me, and I have no sympathy for this guy.








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Robert Fernandes, a father of three, moved to Forks Township [PA] a year ago from Warren County [NJ], seeking lower property taxes for a larger home that could also house his elderly parents. Fernandes commutes to work as an IT manager for a company in Bedminster Township, N.J., while his wife home-schools the children, ages 7, 4 and 1.



 Fernandes says he got a great deal on a short sale when he bought his home, but his annual property taxes total nearly $10,000. Reached by phone Tuesday, Fernandes said he doesn’t want to pay $7,143 in school taxes.







Just another immigrant from NJ moving into Free America and gradually turning it into West Jersey.  If you didn't do your research about the taxes on the home you bought, that's your problem.





 


What kind of house in PA warrants over $10k in property taxes?



That's literally a million dollar home here...and the tax rates where I am are considered ridiculous (at like 1.1%)

Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:13:18 AM EDT
His video was pretty stupid. The fake press conference, having a billion cameras.


He could have made the point without the entourage.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:14:28 AM EDT
Did they not wish to create joinder with the county clerk?
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:18:14 AM EDT
Some people have more free time than others I suppose.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:18:15 AM EDT
Fuck property taxes and fuck paying for other people's kids to go to school.
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 7:18:33 AM EDT
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They don't have to accept it. Coinage act of 1965 stopped it.  The law says it is legal tender, but nowhere does it say the other party has to accept it. Same law that allows airlines not to accept cash for inflight sales, and allows convenience store to not accept $100 bills.
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