What a dumbshiite!

And his politician Daddy is even a bigger dumbshiite!

Damn imbeciles.

Do people get so worked up that they have to go and squirrel away someone else propery?
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August 24, 2006

Pueblo man arrested for assault rifle's theft


By ANSLEE WILLETT THE GAZETTE

A Pueblo County man has been arrested in connection with stealing an assault rifle that fell from a Colorado Springs police officer’s trunk three years ago, authorities said Thursday.

Aaron Dean Sisneros, 39, was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of felony theft.

His father, Pueblo County Treasurer Aurelio Sisneros, was cited in July for making false statements to police when they questioned him about the AR-15 rifle.

The rifle, engraved with “Law Enforcement Only,” was recovered in August 2005 from the Sisneros home in Boone, east of Pueblo.

The AR-15 fell from Officer John Siegert’s trunk at night in August 2003
 

near The Citadel mall. The officer drove from the 3600 block of Citadel Drive North to the 700 block of Tia Juana Street, about a mile away.

The rifle was discovered missing when the officer arrived at the second location and noticed the trunk partially open, police said.

A witness told police he was driving north on Chelton Road just past Platte Avenue when he saw the officer’s trunk pop open and a black case fall out. He had turned around to pick up the 3½-foot-long case when an Oldsmobile stopped in the middle of the southbound lanes. The driver opened his door, grabbing the case without getting out, then sped away, the witness told police.

Officers got a tip in August 2005 that the gun might be at the Sisneros home. When they questioned Aurelio Sisneros at work about the gun, he said: “I might know something about it, and I might not,” according to his son’s arrest affidavit.

After police told him they knew he had the gun, he admitted it was at his home, the affidavit states.

Aaron Sisneros told police he thought the rifle case was “some type of tool or instrument” when he stopped to pick it up from the roadway, according to the arrest affidavit.

“He picked this item up and pulled over a few blocks away,” the affidavit states. “When he looked inside, he saw it was a rifle.”

Aaron Sisneros told police he then called his dad, who told him to bring the rifle home, the affidavit states.

“Aaron Sisneros said he became aware that this gun belonged to a cop probably a few months later,” the affidavit states.

When police asked why he didn’t turn in the gun, he told police he didn’t trust the judicial system, the affidavit states.

Aurelio Sisneros, who is up for re-election this year, told police his son saw the case fall from the officer’s trunk and thought it was a musical instrument, maybe a trombone, the affidavit states.

“(Aurelio Sisneros) thought about turning it in but was afraid that he or Aaron would be pinned for a theft charge. He thought the best thing would be to just hold onto it and stored the gun to get it out of circulation,” the affidavit states.

“He felt uncomfortable about having the gun in his house and he said at some point, he thought about getting rid of the gun and said that his plans were to go and bury it.”

Quoted: What a dumbshiite! And his politician Daddy is even a bigger dumbshiite! Damn imbeciles. Do people get so worked up that they have to go and squirrel away someone else propery? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1320824&secid=1 August 24, 2006 Pueblo man arrested for assault rifle's theft By ANSLEE WILLETT THE GAZETTE A Pueblo County man has been arrested in connection with stealing an assault rifle that fell from a Colorado Springs police officer’s trunk three years ago, authorities said Thursday. Aaron Dean Sisneros, 39, was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of felony theft. His father, Pueblo County Treasurer Aurelio Sisneros, was cited in July for making false statements to police when they questioned him about the AR-15 rifle. The rifle, engraved with “Law Enforcement Only,” was recovered in August 2005 from the Sisneros home in Boone, east of Pueblo. The AR-15 fell from Officer John Siegert’s trunk at night in August 2003   near The Citadel mall. The officer drove from the 3600 block of Citadel Drive North to the 700 block of Tia Juana Street, about a mile away. The rifle was discovered missing when the officer arrived at the second location and noticed the trunk partially open, police said. A witness told police he was driving north on Chelton Road just past Platte Avenue when he saw the officer’s trunk pop open and a black case fall out. He had turned around to pick up the 3½-foot-long case when an Oldsmobile stopped in the middle of the southbound lanes. The driver opened his door, grabbing the case without getting out, then sped away, the witness told police. Officers got a tip in August 2005 that the gun might be at the Sisneros home. When they questioned Aurelio Sisneros at work about the gun, he said: “I might know something about it, and I might not,” according to his son’s arrest affidavit. After police told him they knew he had the gun, he admitted it was at his home, the affidavit states. Aaron Sisneros told police he thought the rifle case was “some type of tool or instrument” when he stopped to pick it up from the roadway, according to the arrest affidavit. “He picked this item up and pulled over a few blocks away,” the affidavit states. “When he looked inside, he saw it was a rifle.” Aaron Sisneros told police he then called his dad, who told him to bring the rifle home, the affidavit states. “Aaron Sisneros said he became aware that this gun belonged to a cop probably a few months later,” the affidavit states. When police asked why he didn’t turn in the gun, he told police he didn’t trust the judicial system, the affidavit states. Aurelio Sisneros, who is up for re-election this year, told police his son saw the case fall from the officer’s trunk and thought it was a musical instrument, maybe a trombone, the affidavit states. “(Aurelio Sisneros) thought about turning it in but was afraid that he or Aaron would be pinned for a theft charge. He thought the best thing would be to just hold onto it and stored the gun to get it out of circulation,” the affidavit states. “He felt uncomfortable about having the gun in his house and he said at some point, he thought about getting rid of the gun and said that his plans were to go and bury it.”

Every policemen carries a trombone. Sheesh, cut the kid some slack.

There's nothing but moron after moron in that story. I feel like I need to go shower to wash the moron-ness off of me.

Sounds like those two fell out of the trunk of the stupid bus.

Quoted: The rifle, engraved with “Law Enforcement Only,” was recovered in August 2005 from the Sisneros home in Boone, east of Pueblo.

So what?

You can buy "Law Enforcement Only" or "US Property" marked lowers and mags from distributers here on this site.

Umm! How do you charge the kid?

If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it?

So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

No shit. How do you charge someone with a crime for "stealing" something that they literally found laying in the middle of the road? Perhaps it is to detract attention from the fact that a police officer let an AR-15 fall out of the back of his car as he was driving down the road?

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

If you find a $20 bill, there is no practical way to know from where it came or to whom it belongs.

If you see a black case fall out of the back of a car, and the contents bear a serial number and other identifying marks, then you are knowingly posessing something that most cetainly doesn't belong to you. That's theft. If someone leaves his keys in his car, his stupidity does not make it OK for you to drive off in the car.

These asshats compounded their woes by knowingly concealing the item, and making false statements when questioned.

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

Possession of stolen property, that's how. Every douche and his momma knows that firearms have serial numbers and owners. If he didn't know it fell off the cop's car (which he probably did) the next logical conclusion was this was a weapon used in a crime and ditched or one that someone lost and reported stolen. Assuming the bad ties to the former, anyone but a complete fucking idiot would turn it in.

My whole point is this! Not withstanding ability to track down the owner!!

THE KID WHO FOUND THE GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!! THE COP SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT LOST IT!!

They want to charge the kid with having a weapon he never should have been able to find in the first place!!

Quoted: Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!! Possession of stolen property, that's how.

But it wasn't stolen. The kid didn't break into the cop's trunk and steal the rifle, nor did he buy it from someone who he had reason to believe stole it. He saw it laying in the middle of the street and he picked it up and kept it. From the eye witness's story, there doesn't appear to be any proof that the kid saw it fall out of the cop's car.

I'm not saying that he did the RIGHT thing by keeping it, and I'm definately not saying that he did the SMART thing, but he didn't STEAL the rifle, and he certainly didn't do the FELONIOUS thing by keeping it.

How does a cased AR-15 fall out of a trunk of a police car?

Doesn't the finder need to make a "reasonable" effort to locate the owner, before claiming the property?

In this case, no effort was made at all, even assuming the guy didn't see it fall out in the first place.

In Georgia where I am familiar with the law it would be theft of mislaid property.

Quoted: Quoted: The rifle, engraved with “Law Enforcement Only,” was recovered in August 2005 from the Sisneros home in Boone, east of Pueblo. So what? You can buy "Law Enforcement Only" or "US Property" marked lowers and mags from distributers here on this site.

The rifle was lost in August of 2003, before the sunset of the AWB.

Quoted: Every policemen carries a trombone. Sheesh, cut the kid some slack.

C'mon now. If it was clearly marked as an "LEO" trombone, the kid has no ecuse.

Quoted: But it wasn't stolen. The kid didn't break into the cop's trunk and steal the rifle, nor did he buy it from someone who he had reason to believe stole it. He saw it laying in the middle of the street and he picked it up and kept it. From the eye witness's story, there doesn't appear to be any proof that the kid saw it fall out of the cop's car. I'm not saying that he did the RIGHT thing by keeping it, and I'm definately not saying that he did the SMART thing, but he didn't STEAL the rifle, and he certainly didn't do the FELONIOUS thing by keeping it.

Finding = discovering an object that doesn't belong to you and "securing it"

Stealing = keeping the object that does not belong to you instead of reporting it to the authorities

ESPECIALLY if it is an object with a traceable serial number (stereo, laptop, bike, firearm)

It would be one thing if he was discovered with it a few days afterwards (deciding where to go with it and all) but 2003?! he clearly decided to keep what is not his and the law is written on the books about receiving stolen property, so there is no point getting into a discussion about it.

ETA: Receiving stolen property is usually a misdemeanor, although that might depend upon the value/nature of the stolen item. What is clearly felonious however was that he was in possession of a then illegal AW and there is no explaning out of that one.

He knew he was doing the wrong thing when he kept it.  He was rightly arrested.  

If you lost your rifle you would expect the finder to make an attempt to locate you or turn it into the cops.

The driver opened his door, grabbing the case without getting out, then sped away, the witness told police.

NOW that is slick! a boy after my own heart!
I was walking through the hospital grounds once when out of the corner of my eye i spotted a bottle of medicine. Without even stopping or bending over to read the thing i just reached down and scooped it up and pocketed and kept walking, Briskly!
When i got to a safe location i read the label "diazapam" That generic for Valium.
So what did i do with the bottle?? I immediatly ran to the nearest police station and returned it to it's rightful owner........Hey, Why are you looking at me like that? I swear thats what i did! No, really. *sweating* no, come on, i did. Oh geez i've said too much.

Popcorn

WHAT LUCK! i wish i had such great luck to find ar15s in the road

That was some fine bullshitting by Aurelio Sisneros and his son

GM

My mother taught me early on that to avoid stealing, you don;t have to know who the thing belongs to; you just have to know whether or not it's yours.

If you find a thing of value and you know it's not yours and is likely to be stolen, you go the extra mile and try to find the owner or turn it in to the Sheriff. Most states have a statutory scheme establishing an official "lost & found" through the county Sheriff. Remember, the policeman's job is to be decent on our behalf whwn we're otherwise occupied.

I would have immediately stripped the rifle to parts and took an oxy/acetylene torch to the  lower.








This is true story.  When I was 17 my buddy and I were driving down the road and saw a flashlight that was turned on laying on the shoulder.  This was at night.  So we pulled over, backed up and grabbed it.  It was a standard black maglite 4 D cell type.  A few months later a local cop pulls us over and spots the light on the floor and asks if we were using it to break into cars  So he takes it and remarks  "This was stolen from a police cruiser."  Apparently it had three digits stamped in the tail cap that were car specific to the local PD.  So we get pulled out of the car, handcuffed.  They read us the riot act.  Accused us of stealing it, etc.  Anyway 4 cops on the scene including the one who said it was stolen from his car.  We got let go, they kept the light..

I figured the idiot lost it and reported it stolen from his cruiser rather than say he lost it along the highway and look like a smacked ass in front of his peers.

Quoted: My whole point is this! Not withstanding ability to track down the owner!! THE KID WHO FOUND THE GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!! THE COP SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT LOST IT!! They want to charge the kid with having a weapon he never should have been able to find in the first place!!

Good. The next time someone robs your house or steals crap from your car,  I'm sure you are going to say that you should have been more responsible.

Concealing stolen property.  A no-brainer except on Arfcom.

You should drive around with an officer on the midnight shift sometime.  You'd be amazed what folks leave on top of their cars.  (Including their girlfriend's clothes.)

Found a baby in a car seat once.

Quoted: How does a cased AR-15 fall out of a trunk of a police car?

The same way the ocassional corn chex mysteriously jumps out of my cereal bowl when I'm not looking



Poltergeists!

Quoted: How does a cased AR-15 fall out of a trunk of a police car?

Glitch in the electric trunk release, or car hammered to crap with a bad trunk lock.  The usual mountain of stuff in the trunk of most police cars actually stacks higher than the lip of the trunk.

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

It would be misappropriation of lost property at a minimum - at least in CA.  As others have stated the item had a serial number and was in a case that probably had somesort of dept ID on it.

Brian

Quoted: How does a cased AR-15 fall out of a trunk of a police car?

Are you kidding, there is usually so much stuff in there if you move one thing, an avlanche could kill ya.

"He thought the best thing would be to just hold onto it and stored the gun to get it out of circulation,” the affidavit states.
He was trying to get it out of circulation.  Typical Libtard BS

Quoted: Quoted: How does a cased AR-15 fall out of a trunk of a police car? Are you kidding, there is usually so much stuff in there if you move one thing, an avlanche could kill ya.

EXACTLY! That's why we always made a point of telling people to be very quiet when we stuffed them in the trunk of a patrol car.

His father, Pueblo County Treasurer Aurelio Sisneros, was cited in July for making false statements to police when they questioned him about the AR-15 rifle.

That's the part that kills me. He lies to the police when asked some questions, yet he is the guy with the County checkbook.......................

Glitch in the electric trunk release, or car hammered to crap with a bad trunk lock.

The bad latches are more common than most people would think.  I've seen a couple of those on local city cops cars.  The trunks are so tiny in the new Impalas that they're having trouble getting them to close.  That's what happens when you buy tiny cars that are completely inappropriate for police work.z

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

So the next time you fellows leave a Halligan or pike pole at a scene, it's mine?  And nobody on the department would have a problem with that?

How about when you leave the drug bag and the scene during a particularly hairy full-code?

You're wrong, and you know it.

Larry

Quoted: My mother taught me early on that to avoid stealing, you don;t have to know who the thing belongs to; you just have to know whether or not it's yours. If you find a thing of value and you know it's not yours and is likely to be stolen, you go the extra mile and try to find the owner or turn it in to the Sheriff. Most states have a statutory scheme establishing an official "lost & found" through the county Sheriff. Remember, the policeman's job is to be decent on our behalf whwn we're otherwise occupied.

But then you wouldn't be able to keep an AR-15.

Try and remember most gun owners are a notoriously honest, honorable and trustworthy bunch....unless it is possible to get a gun free or cheap. Then all bets are off.

Quoted: Quoted: The rifle, engraved with “Law Enforcement Only,” was recovered in August 2005 from the Sisneros home in Boone, east of Pueblo. So what? You can buy "Law Enforcement Only" or "US Property" marked lowers and mags from distributers here on this site.

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Not in 03' you couldn't. That was part of the whole point of marking stuff L.E. only during the ban.

I'm pretty sure that the "Fell out of the trunk" line is total crap, but it’s one of those inconvenient truths that will never see the light of day. The cop does not want to talk about how he left the car unlocked and the kid doesn’t want to talk about how he robbed a cop car.

(How many cops drive around with the trunk open? Doesn't the Springs PD have front seat racks for their ARs? Umm yeah, we won't bring that up.)

Quoted: I'm pretty sure that the "Fell out of the trunk" line is total crap, but it’s one of those inconvenient truths that will never see the light of day. The cop does not want to talk about how he left the car unlocked and the kid doesn’t want to talk about how he robbed a cop car. (How many cops drive around with the trunk open? Doesn't the Springs PD have front seat racks for their ARs? Umm yeah, we won't bring that up.)

Lot of people take off with cell phones, purses, wallets, kids in baby baskets on the trunk or roof ALL the time...a rifle is no different

Quoted: My whole point is this! Not withstanding ability to track down the owner!! THE KID WHO FOUND THE GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!! THE COP SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT LOST IT!! They want to charge the kid with having a weapon he never should have been able to find in the first place!!

I think you have accurately stated the liberal democratic, it's never YOUR fault when you commit a crime, it's the fault of the person you committed it against, viewpoint.

(And, people say no Democrats come to this site.)  

Quoted: I'm pretty sure that the "Fell out of the trunk" line is total crap, but it’s one of those inconvenient truths that will never see the light of day. The cop does not want to talk about how he left the car unlocked and the kid doesn’t want to talk about how he robbed a cop car. (How many cops drive around with the trunk open? Doesn't the Springs PD have front seat racks for their ARs? Umm yeah, we won't bring that up.)

The article did mention another party that was also trying to retrieve the case and witnessed the kid drive by and snatch it.

Alot of dummies in this story including the Cop

Not hard to believe at all that something popped out of a cops trunk.

As was said earlier, most of our trunks are stuffed beyond capacity, and cased weapons usually rest on top of it all.  Also, the trunks have remote release buttons inside the driver area.  Some are located in the driver door and some are located directly smack dab in the middle of the dashboard...right next to the radio mic holders and light bar controls, etc.  

I've hit my trunk release a couple times reaching for the mic and returning it to the cradle.  One of our guys lost a set of Stop Sticks because he hit his trunk release button accidently in the manner described above during a pursuit.

Between radios, CB's, laptops, lightbar control buttons, siren control box, Radars, lamps, flashlight chargers, file folders, and mic cradles, it gets pretty damned cramp inside a patrol car.  Sometimes buttons get bumped.

I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it is possible.  

Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!!

He SAW the case fall from the Cop car according to his dime dropping father.

So.....

Charge them with:


Son:

18-4-401. Theft.
**Update notice:  This section has been amended by
CHAPTER 290, COLO. SESS. LAWS OF 2006.

 (1) A person commits theft when he knowingly obtains or exercises control
over anything of value of another without authorization, or by threat or
deception, and:

 (a) Intends to deprive the other person permanently of the use or benefit
of the thing of value; or

 (b) Knowingly uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value in such
manner as to deprive the other person permanently of its use or benefit; or

 (c) Uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value intending that such
use, concealment, or abandonment will deprive the other person permanently
of its use and benefit; or
 (d) Demands any consideration to which he is not legally entitled as a
condition of restoring the thing of value to the other person.

 (1.5) For the purposes of this section, a thing of value is that of
"another" if anyone other than the defendant has a possessory or
proprietary interest therein.




 Dad:  If the DA wants to be a charging machine (along with conspiracy and the lying)



18-4-410. Theft by receiving.

 (1) Except as provided in subsection (6) of this section, a person
commits theft by receiving when he receives, retains, loans money by pawn
or pledge on, or disposes of anything of value of another, knowing or
believing that said thing of value has been stolen, and when he intends
to deprive the lawful owner permanently of the use or benefit of the
thing of value.


Not surprised at all that a Pueblo County politician is allegedly involved.

The usual mountain of stuff in the trunk of most police cars actually stacks higher than the lip of the trunk.

Ain't THAT the truth!

One of my LEO friends and I go shooting together often.  Can't get a thing in his trunk.  And it leaks around the antenna cable, which is why I molyresin his guns.

So, we go shooting, and the only place I can sit is the passenger seat, and I feel like a contortionist trying to get in there.  Then have all the rifles between my legs, trying to not bump the maglight in the charger with my knee, or the computer thingy.  Sheesh!

So he gets a bigger vehicle, an SUV.  and he STILL can't get all his junk in there.

The only cool part is we don't have to pay at the range when we go in his car.  

Quoted: Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!! No shit. How do you charge someone with a crime for "stealing" something that they literally found laying in the middle of the road? Perhaps it is to detract attention from the fact that a police officer let an AR-15 fall out of the back of his car as he was driving down the road?

Um yeah, they knew it was a LEO's rifle, they should have turned it in you ingrates.  I hope I never go to the same range you're shooting at, I don't want to lose anything.

A trombone

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Umm! How do you charge the kid? If i'm walking down the street and find a $20 dollar bill laying there, Do i claim it as mine because i found it and recovered it? So this kid finds a rifle somebody has obviously left in the road and did not come back looking for it, So it is reasonably his. IT'S NOT THE KIDS PROBLEM THAT: 1. THE COP WAS CARELESS AND LOST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! and 2. TEH DUMB ASS COP DID NOT REALIZE THE BACK HAD COME OPEN AND HE HAD LOST AND DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT!!! No shit. How do you charge someone with a crime for "stealing" something that they literally found laying in the middle of the road? Perhaps it is to detract attention from the fact that a police officer let an AR-15 fall out of the back of his car as he was driving down the road? Um yeah, they knew it was a LEO's rifle, they should have turned it in you ingrates.  I hope I never go to the same range you're shooting at, I don't want to lose anything.

You people are sooooo damn judgemental. Real quick to start calling other people's character into question over a post.

Let's recap Chachi...I never said that it was RIGHT for him to keep the rifle, and I never said that I would have kept the rifle.

What I AM saying is that I don't think that he should be charged with a felony for not turning in something that the found laying in the street. I also think that the police officer who let this "assault weapon" fall out of the trunk of his car should be raked over the coals.

Quoted: Alot of dummies in this story including the Cop

So true, it's hard to decide who is the bigger idot. Plenty of blame to go around.....

Quoted: My whole point is this! Not withstanding ability to track down the owner!! THE KID WHO FOUND THE GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!! THE COP SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT LOST IT!! They want to charge the kid with having a weapon he never should have been able to find in the first place!!

The fundamental flaw in THAT reasoning can be demonstrated in the libtards' most recent attempt at eliminating ALL guns:

So leroy gangbanger killed 87 babies with this here Glock Fotay..  Since Glock MADE this evil gun that killed 87 babies, then it's THEIR fault, not leroys.  If Glock NEVER MADE this here fotay, then 87 babies wouldn't be dead, ZOMG !!!!1!!1



Hopefully you recognize the problem there...



Cop was a retard for not securing the rifle. That's pretty much a given.

But the kid who FOUND it, AND his father, who's in a position of government authority/representation BOTH LIED, when questioned as to the whereabouts OF said rifle.

This kid and his father, who quite probably thought they were above the law, or decided to play morality police, are the only ones here at CRIMINAL fault.  

Being stupid (the cop) is still not illegal........    

I dont see the kid as stealing the rifle, but after that all bets are off!. Dumber than dogshit. He kept something that was not his but the citizens of the township. His dad is a 1st class turd for also wanting to keep property of the township. the Cop fucked up and should have had his ass handed to him.

Plenty of stupid all around, but Stupid is not illegal and it sure as hell is not Felony stupid in my eyes.

Quick story, I used to be a resident firefighter ( that means I lived in the station) little kid not more then maybe 7 or 8 years old was out on his bike. I watched the deputy on a traffic stop in front of the station do his thing. After it was all said and done the Deputy and the citizen went on their way. The little kid came over to the station about 15 min's later with a Glock mag full of .40, said the deputy dropped it, and it was in the street. He gave me the mag and ammo. I got the little kids name and address to find out he lived 2 doors down from the station.I let the little kid know that he did a good thing,and that I wold let the Deputy know where he could find the little kid. I also work as a dispatcher and knew who the deputy was, I called into the center and told them to have the dep come on over when he had a chance and grab his stuff. HE came over  about 45 min's later and I gave him the kids name and address even showing him where the kid lived. I told him that maybe he should go tell the little guy thanks for being honest.... That little kid was watching and waiting for that deputy to come over and ended up watching that deputy pull out of the fire station and passed him without even a wave.... From that day on I let that kid run around in the station and was allowed to climb all over every truck, and go through every compartment door he wanted. Turned out to be a pretty good kid...Too bad that deputy is still a dirtbag. I make sure he gets really good calls. Sometimes he gets three or four barking dog complaints from me after I let them all stack up.