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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:07:48 AM EDT
First rule of gun safety doesn't look like it was adhered to in this case.
"According to officials, Eugene Earl Martin, 22, was showing a semi-automatic handgun to friends when it fired and struck Morgan. A clip was not in the handgun at the time of the shooting, witnesses say. Martin was taken into custody and charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Sumter-Lee Regional Detention Center pending bond." http://www.wistv.com/story/28920507/man-accidentally-kills-friend-showing-off-handgun |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:16:38 AM EDT
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All guns are always loaded.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:27:48 AM EDT
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First rule of gun safety doesn't look like it was adhered to in this case.
"According to officials, Eugene Earl Martin, 22, was showing a semi-automatic handgun to friends when it fired he screwed around and negligently pulled the trigger and struck Morgan. A clip was not in the handgun at the time of the shooting, witnesses say. Martin was taken into custody and charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Sumter-Lee Regional Detention Center pending bond." http://www.wistv.com/story/28920507/man-accidentally-kills-friend-showing-off-handgun Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:31:33 AM EDT
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Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First rule of gun safety doesn't look like it was adhered to in this case.
"According to officials, Eugene Earl Martin, 22, was showing a semi-automatic handgun to friends when it fired he screwed around and negligently pulled the trigger and struck Morgan. A clip was not in the handgun at the time of the shooting, witnesses say. Martin was taken into custody and charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Sumter-Lee Regional Detention Center pending bond." http://www.wistv.com/story/28920507/man-accidentally-kills-friend-showing-off-handgun Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Me too. Sooo much. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:34:20 AM EDT
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Of course there was no "clip" in the gun
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:35:21 AM EDT
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:36:17 AM EDT
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False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:36:44 AM EDT
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False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Here's another one. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:38:44 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:39:26 AM EDT
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This is like watching a clip from a bad movie over and over again.... when will people get it? they are always loaded.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:40:08 AM EDT
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That's shitty. Seems to happen way to often.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:40:44 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:41:27 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun 
Damnit  43 seconds
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:42:33 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_optglBabPho/THMTkwTbizI/AAAAAAAADL8/T4crmsC_zkY/s1600/1269261490934.jpg |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:44:14 AM EDT
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False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. This is why we cant have nice things
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:07:09 AM EDT
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False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. And i don't want you anywhere near me if you are handling one. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:12:05 AM EDT
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All guns are always loaded. How do you break one down to clean it then? 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:15:51 AM EDT
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Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"According to officials, Eugene Earl Martin, 22, was showing a semi-automatic handgun to friends when it fired he screwed around and negligently pulled the trigger and struck Morgan. A clip was not in the handgun at the time of the shooting, witnesses say. Martin was taken into custody and charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Sumter-Lee Regional Detention Center pending bond." Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Agree. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:17:14 AM EDT
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False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:17:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you break one down to clean it then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All guns are always loaded. How do you break one down to clean it then? The same way you dry fire..... Always loaded.  How about, don't point your gun at things you don't want to destroy..... Wait, what about training with MILES gear? Shit. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:18:50 AM EDT
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How do you break one down to clean it then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. How do you break one down to clean it then? Point it in a direction that is safe, that if it were to discharge would not likely result in harming anyone until the gun is rendered inoperable. That's how I do it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:19:07 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_optglBabPho/THMTkwTbizI/AAAAAAAADL8/T4crmsC_zkY/s1600/1269261490934.jpg 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:20:28 AM EDT
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YOU may know that gun is not loaded. You just cleared and checked it. I watched you.
But when you hand it to me it IS loaded until I clear and check it myself. Just watch me. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:24:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:31:05 AM EDT
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Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. Depends on whose rules. Jeff Cooper said all guns are always loaded but every NRA class their third rule is "always keep a gun unloaded until ready to use". I say treat all guns as if they're loaded, knowing that a gun can actually be unloaded but unwilling to assume some asshole didn't change that equation when I wasn't looking. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:38:36 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_optglBabPho/THMTkwTbizI/AAAAAAAADL8/T4crmsC_zkY/s1600/1269261490934.jpg Nice Steyr Hahn and Mauser. Always wanted to take a Steyr to quals just to see RO's face when he says "load 5 rounds" and you produce el stripper clip! 
And the old man always taught me " treat every gun as if it's loaded" |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 10:49:46 AM EDT
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How do you break one down to clean it then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. How do you break one down to clean it then? I have a bunch of skinny little brushes that I squeeze between the bullets and stuff. That way I can still shoot while I'm cleaning, it's more tactical. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:05:33 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_optglBabPho/THMTkwTbizI/AAAAAAAADL8/T4crmsC_zkY/s1600/1269261490934.jpg Dammit. Came here to post Broomhandle. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:05:42 AM EDT
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Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. OMG!!! LOOK OUT!!! THERE'S A GUN IN MY SAFE THAT IS ABOUT TO KILL ME RIGHT NOW!!!! Maybe we learned different "first rules," but the way I learned it was "Always treat every gun as though it is loaded until you, personally, verify it is cleared." If I pull out any gun, my first move is to unload and open the action. So long as that gun stays in my sight, I know that the gun is unloaded. If someone touches it, when I have it in my hands again, I ensure it is clear again. If nobody touches it, then I really don't see how it suddenly "became loaded." If I pull out a bunch of guns for cleaning, say, 4 of them, and verify that they are unloaded, then place then on the cleaning table, well, you see where this is going. None of this has anything to do with the article though. This is just a thread for some people to feel superior to other people because "I know better than you..."
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:06:55 AM EDT
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Of course there was no "clip" in the gun
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:10:27 AM EDT
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If someone touches it, when I have it in my hands again, I ensure it is clear again. If nobody touches it, then I really don't see how it suddenly "became loaded." I tend to agree with you, but I wouldn't ever get into this pattern. Some day, as you age, you will perhaps develop dementia. You can be as sure as shit it's unloaded, but maybe it's not. I follow the first rule pretty religiously, and after a double check, I dry fire it in a safe direction. If a revolver, i fire it enough times to get a full cycle of the cylinder in a safe direction. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:12:13 AM EDT
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It wasn't just one rule broken, it was all of them...
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:14:00 AM EDT
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I guess I will never understand how this continues to happen. 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:14:07 AM EDT
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Depends on whose rules. Jeff Cooper said all guns are always loaded but every NRA class their third rule is "always keep a gun unloaded until ready to use". I say treat all guns as if they're loaded, knowing that a gun can actually be unloaded but unwilling to assume some asshole didn't change that equation when I wasn't looking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Face palm. The first rule of gun safety is........? Go look it up, I'll wait. Depends on whose rules. Jeff Cooper said all guns are always loaded but every NRA class their third rule is "always keep a gun unloaded until ready to use". I say treat all guns as if they're loaded, knowing that a gun can actually be unloaded but unwilling to assume some asshole didn't change that equation when I wasn't looking. Never heard that at any of the week long ones I went to. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:16:06 AM EDT
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://www.a-human-right.com/c96-5.jpg
Damnit 43 seconds That looks like Han Solo's BlasTech! |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:18:11 AM EDT
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That looks like Han Solo's BlasTech! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No shit. Never seen a stripper clip fed pistol before. Quoted:
Of course there was no "clip" in the gun http://www.a-human-right.com/c96-5.jpg
Damnit 43 seconds That looks like Han Solo's BlasTech! Cost's about the same too.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:20:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks like Han Solo's BlasTech! Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks like Han Solo's BlasTech! In before some expert can't resist the urge... |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:32:08 AM EDT
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Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First rule of gun safety doesn't look like it was adhered to in this case.
"According to officials, Eugene Earl Martin, 22, was showing a semi-automatic handgun to friends when it fired he screwed around and negligently pulled the trigger and struck Morgan. A clip was not in the handgun at the time of the shooting, witnesses say. Martin was taken into custody and charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is being held at the Sumter-Lee Regional Detention Center pending bond." http://www.wistv.com/story/28920507/man-accidentally-kills-friend-showing-off-handgun Fixed. God I HATE this "went off" crap. Damn those evil guns! (at least that's what people are supposed to think) |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:32:25 AM EDT
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I was always taught the "treat every firearm as if it were loaded"
Those of you that demand every gun is loaded...
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:34:42 AM EDT
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My brother and I have a little inside joke when either of us hands each other a firearm
"Is it loaded?" "No" 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:36:18 AM EDT
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I was always taught the "treat every firearm as if it were loaded" Those of you that demand every gun is loaded... this. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:37:32 AM EDT
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I was always taught the "treat every firearm as if it were loaded" Those of you that demand every gun is loaded... this. Yeah, I'm pretty much not getting the joke here... |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:39:27 AM EDT
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I was always taught the "treat every firearm as if it were loaded" Those of you that demand every gun is loaded... OMG, a semantic difference. Let's all their a hissy fit instead of making the focus where it should be, on safety... 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:51:00 AM EDT
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I've never seen a handgun that accepts clips.
Edit: Now I have. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:54:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All guns are always loaded. False dichotomy is false. I have 4 unloaded guns 15ft from me. You TREAT every gun AS IF it were loaded. But not every gun is loaded. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:21:05 PM EDT
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I guess I will never understand how this continues to happen. You know the dumb asses you run into on a regular basis? Some of them own guns.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:24:20 PM EDT
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You know the dumb asses you run into on a regular basis? Some of them own guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I will never understand how this continues to happen. You know the dumb asses you run into on a regular basis? Some of them own guns. NOV2000!? |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:26:44 PM EDT
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There was a local guy 3 weeks ago that was showing his friend his XD 40.
Took out the magazine, but had one in the chamber. Passed it to his 'friend' - who pulled the trigger, shooting the owner of the firearm through his leg, testicles, leg, hand and then couch. 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a local guy 3 weeks ago that was showing his friend his XD 40. Took out the magazine, but had one in the chamber. Passed it to his 'friend' - who pulled the trigger, shooting the owner of the firearm through his leg, testicles, leg, hand and then couch. That took some nuts. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:30:53 PM EDT
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That took some nuts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a local guy 3 weeks ago that was showing his friend his XD 40. Took out the magazine, but had one in the chamber. Passed it to his 'friend' - who pulled the trigger, shooting the owner of the firearm through his leg, testicles, leg, hand and then couch. That took some nuts. Figured he used ball ammunition.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:31:03 PM EDT
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I was always taught the "treat every firearm as if it were loaded" Those of you that demand every gun is loaded... I don't get it either. I treat all guns as if they are loaded. An unloaded gun by definition can not be loaded. You guys who say all guns are loaded are full of derp. How do you clean these always loaded guns ? Would you have a problem if you where pulled over in say nj and the cop arrested you for an unloaded gun that is locked in a case? By your reasoning the gun is loaded and the arrested would be valid since you are driving around with a "loaded gun". |
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