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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:46:15 PM EST
I was just watching some videos on the German MG34 and 42 GPMG's, and after looking at the 42, was wondering, has GPMG technology really advanced that much since the 42 came out?

That thing seems light, easy to manufacture, has a very quick change barrel, fires at a high rate, and amazingly after almost 60 years, seems to still be capable of holding its own with more modern designs.

I know the M60 ripped off some of the MG42's design features, and that the MG3 was used in Europe for years (it may still be in use).

Is the M240 and others that much better than the old 42?

Just curious as to what you guys think. I'm not some 88er dumbass, nor was I ever in the military, I just love historical firearms, and was wondering what you guys thought.

Oh yes, gratuitous MG42 pic:


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:49:32 PM EST
The rate of fire was way too high for GPMG use, other than that it rocked. I think the PKM is the best ever made.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:51:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Coax:
The rate of fire was way too high for GPMG use, other than that it rocked. I think the PKM is the best ever made.
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If it used disintegraing links it would be perfect.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:52:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Coax:
The rate of fire was way too high for GPMG use, other than that it rocked. I think the PKM is the best ever made.
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The newer 240L is quite nice.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:53:25 PM EST
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The newer 240L is quite nice.
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Originally Posted By Coax:
The rate of fire was way too high for GPMG use, other than that it rocked. I think the PKM is the best ever made.


The newer 240L is quite nice.


The Lima is pretty good, and jumping it is almost bearable.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:54:23 PM EST
240 is great but so is the mk 48

If I was in a defense I would want a 240

Offensive mission give me a mk48
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:56:45 PM EST
Mmmmhhhhhh. GPMG.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 5:58:41 PM EST
if 8mm could still be bought at garage sale prices i'd have one
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:10:32 PM EST
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Yeah PKM is pretty dang good compared to the 240.. disintegrating belts isn't an issue ....

Nothing wrong with the 240 but if I had the choice PKM....

M60..no nope no way... hated that thing both the pig and the E3.

MG3 (MG42 in 7.62) still in widespread use.... it's still a good gun but has fallen been behind the others...after all it's still 70+ years old with no real updates...
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:18:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Garby0331:
240 is great but so is the mk 48

If I was in a defense I would want a 240

Offensive mission give me a mk48
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I will second this,




Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:26:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2015 6:30:15 PM EST by shaggy]
I own an original C&R MG42 - have it currently set up as an MG3 clone in 308. I love it. Awesome gun, and amazingly reliable for a 70 year old weapon. But while the stamped steel receiver is lighter than a 240, the MG42 is rather imbalanced. Unlike an M60 or 240, you're not going to be able to fire it off the shoulder with any sort of accuracy due to the weight distribution and the RoF.

Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:28:42 PM EST
The MG3 is a great GPMG, as is the MAG58.

The PKM would be my choice if I had to carry it around though.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:32:29 PM EST
Thanks guys, I have zero practical hands on experience with GPMG's…I just know they're cool.

Appreciate the insight from those that do.


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:38:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By shaggy:
I own an original C&R MG42 - have it currently set up as an MG3 clone in 308. I love it. Awesome gun, and amazingly reliable for a 70 year old weapon. But while the stamped steel receiver is lighter than a 240, the MG42 is rather imbalanced. Unlike an M60 or 240, you're not going to be able to fire it off the shoulder with any sort of accuracy due to the weight distribution and the RoF.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/mg42001a.jpg
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Dude. Video. Now.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:39:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2015 6:43:16 PM EST by blackhawk35440]
If I'm carrying it and it's ammo I'd want:

PKM
240B
MG3

If we're trucking it:

240B
MG3
PKM

The MG3 still eats ammo crazy fast, but it's fun to fire at least

The PK is just lighter and better on bipods, IMO than the 240
But the 240 is so damn reliable, that I'd rather have it, if I'm not carrying it.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a machine gunner, but it's integral to my job within a weapons company.


Originally Posted By shaggy:
I own an original C&R MG42 - have it currently set up as an MG3 clone in 308. I love it. Awesome gun, and amazingly reliable for a 70 year old weapon. But while the stamped steel receiver is lighter than a 240, the MG42 is rather imbalanced. Unlike an M60 or 240, you're not going to be able to fire it off the shoulder with any sort of accuracy due to the weight distribution and the RoF.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/mg42001a.jpg
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You're not going to be able to fire any GPMG from the shoulder with any sort of accuracy, at least effectively with regards to the ability of a GPMG
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:42:27 PM EST
The M60 used the basic operating system of the FG42 which was copied from the Lewis gun
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:43:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2015 6:45:39 PM EST by PlaneJane]
I don't have the knowledge or experience to say which is best, but I've lusted after an MG42 since I was a girl.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:47:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
If I'm carrying it and it's ammo I'd want:

PKM
240B
MG3

If we're trucking it:

240B
MG3
PKM

The MG3 still eats ammo crazy fast, but it's fun to fire at least

The PK is just lighter and better on bipods, IMO than the 240
But the 240 is so damn reliable, that I'd rather have it, if I'm not carrying it.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a machine gunner, but it's integral to my job within a weapons company.




You're not going to be able to fire any GPMG from the shoulder with any sort of accuracy, at least effectively with regards to the ability of a GPMG
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Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
If I'm carrying it and it's ammo I'd want:

PKM
240B
MG3

If we're trucking it:

240B
MG3
PKM

The MG3 still eats ammo crazy fast, but it's fun to fire at least

The PK is just lighter and better on bipods, IMO than the 240
But the 240 is so damn reliable, that I'd rather have it, if I'm not carrying it.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a machine gunner, but it's integral to my job within a weapons company.


Originally Posted By shaggy:
I own an original C&R MG42 - have it currently set up as an MG3 clone in 308. I love it. Awesome gun, and amazingly reliable for a 70 year old weapon. But while the stamped steel receiver is lighter than a 240, the MG42 is rather imbalanced. Unlike an M60 or 240, you're not going to be able to fire it off the shoulder with any sort of accuracy due to the weight distribution and the RoF.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/mg42001a.jpg


You're not going to be able to fire any GPMG from the shoulder with any sort of accuracy, at least effectively with regards to the ability of a GPMG


True, but some are much better than others. Short bursts off an M60E4 aren't too bad. I've shot my 42 from the shoulder and its all over the place, even with the shortest burst I could manage. Never shouldered a 240.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:01:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By swede1986:
The MG3 is a great GPMG, as is the MAG58.

The PKM would be my choice if I had to carry it around though.
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That Pecheneg version looks pretty sweet.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:03:51 PM EST
No experience with any of the others, but I loved my M240B
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:04:52 PM EST
I love the 240B. The 240L is nicer if your dismounted.
The next evolution is with the LSAT technology. It's coming in 7.62 in addition to the 5.56. I won't be there to test the 7.62 version though
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:20:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
If I'm carrying it and it's ammo I'd want:

PKM
240B
MG3

If we're trucking it:

240B
MG3
PKM

The MG3 still eats ammo crazy fast, but it's fun to fire at least

The PK is just lighter and better on bipods, IMO than the 240
But the 240 is so damn reliable, that I'd rather have it, if I'm not carrying it.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a machine gunner, but it's integral to my job within a weapons company.




You're not going to be able to fire any GPMG from the shoulder with any sort of accuracy, at least effectively with regards to the ability of a GPMG
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Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
If I'm carrying it and it's ammo I'd want:

PKM
240B
MG3

If we're trucking it:

240B
MG3
PKM

The MG3 still eats ammo crazy fast, but it's fun to fire at least

The PK is just lighter and better on bipods, IMO than the 240
But the 240 is so damn reliable, that I'd rather have it, if I'm not carrying it.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a machine gunner, but it's integral to my job within a weapons company.


Originally Posted By shaggy:
I own an original C&R MG42 - have it currently set up as an MG3 clone in 308. I love it. Awesome gun, and amazingly reliable for a 70 year old weapon. But while the stamped steel receiver is lighter than a 240, the MG42 is rather imbalanced. Unlike an M60 or 240, you're not going to be able to fire it off the shoulder with any sort of accuracy due to the weight distribution and the RoF.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/mg42001a.jpg


You're not going to be able to fire any GPMG from the shoulder with any sort of accuracy, at least effectively with regards to the ability of a GPMG


I don't know about that. I'm pretty good off hand with my pig.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:40:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Garby0331:
240 is great but so is the mk 48

If I was in a defense I would want a 240

Offensive mission give me a mk48
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For a movement to contact the lite weight of the Mk48 is nice, but for a SPF off of a tripod the M240 is hard to beat until you bound forward with it.
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