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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:11:40 AM EST
With the common theme of "Mac's don't get viruses," which is even alluded to in some of the recent famous Mac commercials, I'd suggest that the vast majority of Macs out there do not have any anti-virus software installed on them (yes, some do - but I'd wager that most don't).

We know that the reason that there are so many more viruses and PC infections (on Windows) is because the Windows OS is much more prevalent, so it isn't worth virus writer's time (ironic) to throw them out there for the Mac OS X platform.

However, Mac's are becoming more and more popular, so my question is: Isn't it just a matter of time before someone writes a nasty virus/worm for OSX that can propagate VERY quickly, VERY easily and do extensive damage since the vast majority of Macs have no AV protection?

If so, wouldn't that be absolutely devastating to the Mac reputation?

Does Apple know something we don't about the "we don't get viruses" or are they just pushing their luck by parroting that in commercials?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:14:32 AM EST
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:16:47 AM EST
Wont be a problem until they break into double digits (and can hold it there for a year or two) in market share...
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:19:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 6:21:31 AM EST by chrism101]
They Know that anyone with enough programming skills to create and propagate a virus will only use linux or PC...

But eventually you are correct and Mac owners will get bored with Gay midget porn, Tofu recipes, and starbucks and actually find themselves in a state of boredom, thereby losing the I paid more for it so its Uber better Colt Mac Euphoria.
Upon this if they actually have any technical abilities, (which is fairly unlikely or they could manage to run an antivirus on PC like the rest of us), They will attempt to possibly write malicious code. Out of Spite for their lack of compatibility and overpayment for mediocre processing.
This could be devastating! What would Rosie O Donnell and Oprah post to their blogs with?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:20:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:22:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..


I will find it very difficult to believe that while all other OS's see priv-escalation attacks that OS X is 100% immune. OS X enjoys it's position right now because the effort/reward for attacking it is high/low. Flying below radar is not really iron-clad security, but the fact does remain they are less targeted and thus one can get by with less defense.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:22:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By jtb33:
...
We know that the reason that there are so many more viruses and PC infections (on Windows) is because the Windows OS is much more prevalent, so it isn't worth virus writer's time (ironic) to throw them out there for the Mac OS X platform.
...


There is more to it than this.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:22:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By jtb33:
With the common theme of "Mac's don't get viruses," which is even alluded to in some of the recent famous Mac commercials, I'd suggest that the vast majority of Macs out there do not have any anti-virus software installed on them (yes, some do - but I'd wager that most don't).

We know that the reason that there are so many more viruses and PC infections (on Windows) is because the Windows OS is much more prevalent, so it isn't worth virus writer's time (ironic) to throw them out there for the Mac OS X platform.

However, Mac's are becoming more and more popular, so my question is: Isn't it just a matter of time before someone writes a nasty virus/worm for OSX that can propagate VERY quickly, VERY easily and do extensive damage since the vast majority of Macs have no AV protection?

If so, wouldn't that be absolutely devastating to the Mac reputation?

Does Apple know something we don't about the "we don't get viruses" or are they just pushing their luck by parroting that in commercials?

That's part of it.
Another part is Unix is different from windows and the virus code has to be coded a little differently.

Macs did have (and still do) a lot of security through obscurity - but it's changing.
It's also becoming harder to write a virus for windows, windows 7 appears to be pretty good.

Social engineering (like the invaders game) is very difficult to guard against by any operating system. I think you'll see a lot more work into sandboxing running processes and log based file systems where recovery is easier.

OS X or Windows - it's a matter of choice (I use both, in addition to a few more operating systems). I prefer OS X, but really like Windows 7.


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:23:16 AM EST
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:25:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
here toy go!


Hell, that's actually pretty cool.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:26:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By chrism101:
They Know that anyone with enough programming skills to create and propagate a virus will only use linux or PC...

But eventually you are correct and Mac owners will get bored with Gay midget porn, Tofu recipes, and starbucks and actually find themselves in a state of boredom, thereby losing the I paid more for it so its Uber better Colt Mac Euphoria.
Upon this if they actually have any technical abilities, (which is fairly unlikely or they could manage to run an antivirus on PC like the rest of us), They will attempt to possibly write malicious code. Out of Spite for their lack of compatibility and overpayment for mediocre processing.
This could be devastating! What would Rosie O Donnell and Oprah post to their blogs with?


I don't know what made me think this, but some people in this world are ignorant assholes.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:26:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..


I will find it very difficult to believe that while all other OS's see priv-escalation attacks that OS X is 100% immune. OS X enjoys it's position right now because the effort/reward for attacking it is high/low. Flying below radar is not really iron-clad security, but the fact does remain they are less targeted and thus one can get by with less defense.


Just let the delusion ride.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:27:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.


I use a Mac. Why don't YOU go shoot yourself in the face?

Such idiocy is retarded.



Anyway, yeah, Macs usually dodge the malicious software bullet because of low market penetration. They also dodge it because the structure of the OS is different than Windows. It's based on unix/linux, which uses the public to develop and test. Now, Apple doesn't make their code public, but the core of the OS is based on what is public. MS doesn't make their code public, so people cannot find and resolve security issues as quickly and effectively as the open source community through peer review.

OS X is also much better at preventing the user from doing stupid shit. To put it simply, it's harder for your average dumbass computer user to fuck up a Mac than it is to fuck up a PC.


As an IT professional, I DO hope MS does well with Windows 7. I really do.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:27:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..


I will find it very difficult to believe that while all other OS's see priv-escalation attacks that OS X is 100% immune. OS X enjoys it's position right now because the effort/reward for attacking it is high/low. Flying below radar is not really iron-clad security, but the fact does remain they are less targeted and thus one can get by with less defense.



Blizzard cant get its Warden program to work on the Mac due to this.. and its a nasty spyware program. very intrusive.. as it sits now. one program has to ask to have permission to look into another programs memspace. and a promp will pop up asking you to allow.. I could see a self contained mass mailer with its own pop3 stuff built in. but again the luser has to run it..
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:28:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 6:28:27 AM EST by macman37]
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.


I use a Mac. Why don't YOU go shoot yourself in the face?

Such idiocy is retarded.



snip


You clearly don't remember my past posts regarding Macs.

-macman37
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:28:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
here toy go!


Now that would be fun...
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:28:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By dorobuta:
[/div][div]Social engineering (like the invaders game) is very difficult to guard against by any operating system.


Exactly. If I can get you to just go ahead and run me, and provide the admin password then why spend all that time bit-twiddling trying to overflow some instruction into just the right chunk of RAM.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:29:59 AM EST
Macs do have virus protection built into the OS. But until people really start making viruses for them, i guess we won't know how well it really works. Until then i guess i just have to go by the fact that i have had zero problems with macs, and i will continue to use them until i feel that a pc is the better option for me.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:30:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By BS68280:
Originally Posted By chrism101:
They Know that anyone with enough programming skills to create and propagate a virus will only use linux or PC...

But eventually you are correct and Mac owners will get bored with Gay midget porn, Tofu recipes, and starbucks and actually find themselves in a state of boredom, thereby losing the I paid more for it so its Uber better Colt Mac Euphoria.
Upon this if they actually have any technical abilities, (which is fairly unlikely or they could manage to run an antivirus on PC like the rest of us), They will attempt to possibly write malicious code. Out of Spite for their lack of compatibility and overpayment for mediocre processing.
This could be devastating! What would Rosie O Donnell and Oprah post to their blogs with?


I don't know what made me think this, but some people in this world are ignorant assholes.




Bwah ha ha!
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:31:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.


I use a Mac. Why don't YOU go shoot yourself in the face?

Such idiocy is retarded.



snip


You clearly don't remember my past posts regarding Macs.

-macman37





It's too early in the morning... got laid off on Monday... I'm in a pissy mood... hehehe
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:34:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Originally Posted By dorobuta:
[/div][div]Social engineering (like the invaders game) is very difficult to guard against by any operating system.


Exactly. If I can get you to just go ahead and run me, and provide the admin password then why spend all that time bit-twiddling trying to overflow some instruction into just the right chunk of RAM.

It's also getting harder to do the bit twiddling - a lot of processors out there have explicit code vs data flags and prevent you from treating data as code (i.e. arbitrarily executing some random chunk of memory) I know this first hand as it bit a project I was upgrading and I had to track down some stupid stuff in the code where people just shoved an address into a random pointer and executed it. Changed it so the pointers were explicitly pointers to functions.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:35:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.



I got the joke.

Never-the-less: Mac = Volvo = Whole Foods = education establishment, etc.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:35:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By dorobuta:
Macs did have (and still do) a lot of security through obscurity - but it's changing.


What? Unlike the Microsoft garbage where Microsoft is too embarrassed to release the source code, Apple released the source code to their OS over a decade ago. The kernel, most of the command-line programs, and their browser are completely open. That openness is one reason it is so secure. Anyone can read the source and find problems. It isn't like Microsoft that adds backdoors then tries to use security through obscurity with the hope that someone doesn't stumble across it.z
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:36:25 AM EST

There are plenty of threats out there in the *nix world that can attack OSX but they aren't really viruses in the classical sense; This allows the mactards to claim they are virus free by simply using the 1990 definition of 'virus' and not accept that today, virus is pretty much synonymous with 'malware'.

I've found and isolated two separate *nix 'viruses' ('worms' in the classical definition) that turn the host machine into a botnet drone. One relied on security holes in some older version of phpBB, the other on similar security issues in Joomla.

Generally the fanboys want to have their cake and eat it to, claiming that these aren't issues in their OS of choice because some particular app isn't part of the OS or installed by default, and then going on to attack similar non-OS apps or services on Windows machines like IIS, Exchange, or SQL Server.

Fact is, plenty of worms are out there that can and are attacking OSX installs, but these are 'generic' worms that are attacking a service available on many OSes. Viruses, there aren't any in the wild yet that I know of, but I do know that they would be just as easy to write and spread as they are on windows and subject to exactly the same limitations. The only difference is really in the end user; Windows users have been trained (though they are being untrained since Vista and to a lesser extent XP) to log on and do everything as an administrator.

Anyone in the *nix space knows that's a horrible idea, and has known it for decades. OSX inherited this paranoia from *nix, to the advantage of it's users who have really never known any other way.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:36:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..


I will find it very difficult to believe that while all other OS's see priv-escalation attacks that OS X is 100% immune. OS X enjoys it's position right now because the effort/reward for attacking it is high/low. Flying below radar is not really iron-clad security, but the fact does remain they are less targeted and thus one can get by with less defense.



Blizzard cant get its Warden program to work on the Mac due to this.. and its a nasty spyware program. very intrusive.. as it sits now. one program has to ask to have permission to look into another programs memspace. and a promp will pop up asking you to allow.. I could see a self contained mass mailer with its own pop3 stuff built in. but again the luser has to run it..


I'm not saying it isn't well designed or difficult to defeat, but I've been in the network security job a while and so far I have yet to see a software defense that is completely free of chinks. OS X sits in a sweat spot. It's difficult to crack and for people doing it with serious profit motivation the reward for doing so is really not worth the time and effort. That's good for it's users no doubt, but it isn't because code from Cupertino is without flaw. My IPod touch is living proof.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:38:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 6:41:39 AM EST by dorobuta]

Originally Posted By zoom:
Originally Posted By dorobuta:
Macs did have (and still do) a lot of security through obscurity - but it's changing.


What? Unlike the Microsoft garbage where Microsoft is too embarrassed to release the source code, Apple released the source code to their OS over a decade ago. The kernel, most of the command-line programs, and their browser are completely open. That openness is one reason it is so secure. Anyone can read the source and find problems. It isn't like Microsoft that adds backdoors then tries to use security through obscurity with the hope that someone doesn't stumble across it.z

As a Mac user, I don't disagree. But even with open source (btw Darwin is not 100% the OS X code), the relative low numbers of systems made them obscure and somewhat more secure. It's an adjacency issue your more likely to be adjacent (socially, physically) to windows based systems on the net than you are to be adjacent to other Apple systems. The biggest vector (quality issues aside) for infection is windows. Windows 7 improves this somewhat, but the adoption rate will drive the virus issues.

I think BSD is a solid Unix, and Darwin on top makes OS X a great operating system. Holes have been found and are fixed when they are. I like OS X (this post is being done on a mac).

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:38:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By Silence:
Wont be a problem until they break into double digits (and can hold it there for a year or two) in market share...


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:42:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By ScopeScar:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.



I got the joke.

Never-the-less: Mac = Volvo = Whole Foods = education establishment, etc.



Woof, a lot of fail in your post there.

Mac users are independent thinkers. That's part of the allure. PC users are the samethink types. And while it's Arfcom's life goal to pit Mac users on the namby-pamby liberal side of things (and PC users squarely on the conservative side) I do not see it that way at all.

Remember also, Whole Foods' CEO wrote that big anti-ObamaCare editorial that got people all up in arms earlier this year.

I don't know anything about Volvos other than I see a lot of old ones on the road. They run.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:43:39 AM EST
i havent had any problems with my mac, so ill continue using it

however i havent had a problem with a windows machine of mine in years i would say.

its all about smart computing if you ask me, dont mess with sketchy shit.
but i did reformat and reinstall OS10 on my mac before the semester started this year, much easier than windows. I keep a folder with all my apps i use on a jumpdrive and just pop the install disk in and it does its thing
no driver hunting or product activation, it just works.

for the most part if you install the updates from apple and microsoft your probably not gonna have any problems
but an un hardend unix/linux system is just as voulnerable as a windows machine.

do what you want, I'll stick with my mac
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:44:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By xLucidx:
i havent had any problems with my mac, so ill continue using it

however i havent had a problem with a windows machine of mine in years i would say.

its all about smart computing if you ask me, dont mess with sketchy shit.
but i did reformat and reinstall OS10 on my mac before the semester started this year, much easier than windows. I keep a folder with all my apps i use on a jumpdrive and just pop the install disk in and it does its thing
no driver hunting or product activation, it just works.

for the most part if you install the updates from apple and microsoft your probably not gonna have any problems
but an un hardend unix/linux system is just as voulnerable as a windows machine.

do what you want, I'll stick with my mac



If it were only so easy.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:00:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Mac users are independent thinkers.


Wow! It is about attitude and other intangibles.

Originally Posted By macman37:
That's part of the allure. PC users are the samethink types. And while it's Arfcom's life goal to pit Mac users on the namby-pamby liberal side of things (and PC users squarely on the conservative side) I do not see it that way at all.

Remember also, Whole Foods' CEO wrote that big anti-ObamaCare editorial that got people all up in arms earlier this year.

I don't know anything about Volvos other than I see a lot of old ones on the road. They run.


You ever been in a Whole Foods? Ever buy a package of chicken in one? Did you notice how much it cost? Do you really think $20 of chicken is somehow 4 times more healthful than $5 for the same amount of chicken elsewhere.

I'll agree Whole Foods shoppers aren't entirely socialist-progressives. The is a sizeable population of deluded health freak "conservatives" also.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:03:26 AM EST
it seems like windows 7 is trying to be more like mac. integration wise anyway. they will be offering a free security suit. mac regularly fixes security updates via regular updates. the security is just built in to a degree.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:07:51 AM EST
I think first you have to look at the malware thats being written today. It largely seems to fall into either of two categories. You've got worms that people write to try to infect the largest number of systems/networks possible for bragging rights. And you've got viruses/malware that tries to create a giant botnet for attacks or a spamming system. Either way you're going for numbers and the mac is a waste of your time.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:08:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By ScopeScar:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Mac users are independent thinkers.


Wow! It is about attitude and other intangibles.

Originally Posted By macman37:
That's part of the allure. PC users are the samethink types. And while it's Arfcom's life goal to pit Mac users on the namby-pamby liberal side of things (and PC users squarely on the conservative side) I do not see it that way at all.

Remember also, Whole Foods' CEO wrote that big anti-ObamaCare editorial that got people all up in arms earlier this year.

I don't know anything about Volvos other than I see a lot of old ones on the road. They run.


You ever been in a Whole Foods? Ever buy a package of chicken in one? Did you notice how much it cost? Do you really think $20 of chicken is somehow 4 times more healthful than $5 for the same amount of chicken elsewhere.

I'll agree Whole Foods shoppers aren't entirely socialist-progressives. The is a sizeable population of deluded health freak "conservatives" also.



And the guys who own Whole Foods are capitalists providing them that expensive food. Good for them.

I couldn't possibly care less about who shops there or anywhere else for that matter. I haven't stepped foot in a Whole Foods, but I have gone to other similar local establishments many times. I love shopping there. The produce is always fresh, the meat is good, the bread is great, and it's great for people watching, too.

See, that's the difference between Mac bashers and people like me. I don't care what they compute on. I don't care where they shop. I don't care what they drive. I don't care what they eat. I care who they vote for, but that's between them, the candidate they vote for, and their ability (or lack thereof) to make good decisions.

I only ask the same from the Mac bashers.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:09:48 AM EST
must be a mac day on arfcom
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:11:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
must be a mac day on arfcom


It's got to be a zeitgeist thing. We're mad at everybody thanks to Obama, and unfortunately we've taken to infighting rather than actually doing something to better our situations.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:12:39 AM EST
We get tons of word macro viruses on macs. They spread, but the payload doesn't work.

Antivirus software for macs is really limited. Norton has a version but it predictably sucks.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:40:27 AM EST
Steve Gibson is an expert on security issues with computing, he's the guy who invented the term spyware, and he's no fan of Microsoft.

Steve: ...dash 005. And Apple is notoriously close-mouthed about what's going on. In
fact, their formal statement on their update site is, "For the protection of our customers,
Apple does not disclose, discuss, or confirm security issues until a full investigation has
occurred and any necessary patches or releases are available. To learn more about
Apple's product security, see Apple product security website." So that sort of has the
effect of obscuring a little bit about what's going on because when the details come out
afterwards, it's afterwards. So it's no longer newsy. But what struck me was that I really
think we're very rapidly approaching, if we're not already at, the point of being able to
say that the Mac is no more secure than Windows. That is, than Windows-based
machines.

For example - and this is just a brief summary. I thought, well, I could go over the
details, but it would just be going on forever. So in summary of what Apple slid into the
Mac OS without giving any details a couple weeks ago, there was a buffer overflow error
in their handling of alias files that could have resulted in remote code execution There's
a memory corruption error in Resource Manager in its handling of resource forks that
could have resulted in either application termination or remote code execution. Multiple
vulnerabilities identified in the ClamAV which was distributed only with the Mac OS X
Server systems, but several of those vulnerabilities could lead to remote code execution.
An integer overflow error in the handling of images with an embedded ColorSync profile.
And actually we've seen those before in Mac OS security updates.
An integer overflow error in core graphics, the way it processes PDF files, that could
result, if you opened a PDF, in remote code execution. A heap overflow error in the core
graphics caused by drawing long text strings. A null pointer dereference error in CUPS,
which is the Common Unix Printing System that the Mac uses. A heap overflow error in
the USB back end for CUPS. Multiple vulnerabilities in Adobe's Flash Player plug-in,
which, okay, is not Mac's fault, but it was there. And some of those could have led to
remote code execution.
Multiple memory corruption errors in Image I/O subsystem in the way it handles Pixar
film-encoded TIFF images. A design issue in the Launch Services system which can cause
an unsafe file to be opened automatically. A design issue in Launch Services, as a result
of which there's no warning while attempting to open a downloaded content which is
unsafe. An implementation issue in MySQL that might lead to an escalation of privilege.
Multiple vulnerabilities have been identified in their PHP - again, not Apple's fault, but a
component that they were including with, you know, open source that can result in
remote code execution. An error in Samba as it fails to perform adequate checks, thereby
leading to unexpected sharing of folders. And finally, a cross-site scripting error in their
wiki server in the way it handles requests that have non-UTF-8 encoding.

So this sort of all got fixed, which is good. But, I mean, given what we've been seeing
over the last year, I would say that - and in fact our security maxims are going to be
substantiating this because we'll recognize sort of the standard common wisdom of that -
I would say that the Mac is pretty much at a par with Windows. That is, that as a
consequence of the reality of the difficulty of security, how complex modern operating
systems are, whether from Microsoft or Apple or the open source community, mistakes
get made. And bad guys, the more they look, the more mistakes they find. And we're
really seeing an increase in the rate at which problems are being found in the Mac.
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
Episode #215, Security Maxims, starting on page 3.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:53:15 AM EST
I'll see if I can find the archive of an email I got from the network admin that had questions about the same thing, he sent it to me in 2004.

-JTP
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:49:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Originally Posted By ScopeScar:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Who cares, Mac users are stoopid and gay and should shoot themselves in the face repeatedly until they see the error of they're ways.



I got the joke.

Never-the-less: Mac = Volvo = Whole Foods = education establishment, etc.



Woof, a lot of fail in your post there.

Mac users are independent thinkers. That's part of the allure. PC users are the samethink types. And while it's Arfcom's life goal to pit Mac users on the namby-pamby liberal side of things (and PC users squarely on the conservative side) I do not see it that way at all.


As there is here.

About as 'independent' as all the other 'Ultra-Trendies' out there.

You did an excellent job illustrating the elitism rampant in the mac mindset though, which is a far bigger turn-off to the things than anything related to the technology.

My avatar had something to say about all that: "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:53:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By allenNH:

As there is here.

About as 'independent' as all the other 'Ultra-Trendies' out there.

You did an excellent job illustrating the elitism rampant in the mac mindset though, which is a far bigger turn-off to the things than anything related to the technology.

My avatar had something to say about all that: "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."



Don't like it, do ya? You just got played.

I don't care what you compute on or anything else. Kindly stop caring what I compute on (or anything else).

It makes no sense that grown adults bag on others for what they use to do work on, or access the Internets from.

Cheers.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:20:02 AM EST
b b bbut macs don't get viruses?! the tv comercial cool young fellow even told me so!
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:48:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By macman37:
Originally Posted By allenNH:

As there is here.

About as 'independent' as all the other 'Ultra-Trendies' out there.

You did an excellent job illustrating the elitism rampant in the mac mindset though, which is a far bigger turn-off to the things than anything related to the technology.

My avatar had something to say about all that: "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."



Don't like it, do ya? You just got played.

I don't care what you compute on or anything else. Kindly stop caring what I compute on (or anything else).

It makes no sense that grown adults bag on others for what they use to do work on, or access the Internets from.

Cheers.


Meh. I don't care what you compute on. I do care when you (or whoever else) spread BS about your platform of choice. Kindly stop doing that and I'll quickly run out of things to say about macs and their fanboys. ;)
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:54:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By allenNH:
Originally Posted By macman37:
Originally Posted By allenNH:

As there is here.

About as 'independent' as all the other 'Ultra-Trendies' out there.

You did an excellent job illustrating the elitism rampant in the mac mindset though, which is a far bigger turn-off to the things than anything related to the technology.

My avatar had something to say about all that: "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."



Don't like it, do ya? You just got played.

I don't care what you compute on or anything else. Kindly stop caring what I compute on (or anything else).

It makes no sense that grown adults bag on others for what they use to do work on, or access the Internets from.

Cheers.


Meh. I don't care what you compute on. I do care when you (or whoever else) spread BS about your platform of choice. Kindly stop doing that and I'll quickly run out of things to say about macs and their fanboys. ;)


The problem is that the BS spewed about our platform of choice by people who don't know a fucking thing about it (and should rightfully then shut their collective piehole about it), is frequently both annoying and a detriment to our platform's end goal of taking over the entire fucking world with shiny cute shit.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:59:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
The problem is that the BS spewed about our platform of choice by people who don't know a fucking thing about it (and should rightfully then shut their collective piehole about it), is frequently both annoying and a detriment to our platform's end goal of taking over the entire fucking world with shiny cute shit.


And if they played in the street would you??
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:01:26 PM EST

SSDD

OS X vs Windows
AR15 vs AK47
.45 vs 9mm
Palin vs Obama

One is slightly superior technically, one is for poor people.

Well, I guess Macs are like an AR that turns into an AK if you hold down the Alt key when you turn it on.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:08:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
got to give it admin mode to have it jump mem spaces..

/Thread.

My keychain remembers almost nothing :)
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:08:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By allenNH:
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
The problem is that the BS spewed about our platform of choice by people who don't know a fucking thing about it (and should rightfully then shut their collective piehole about it), is frequently both annoying and a detriment to our platform's end goal of taking over the entire fucking world with shiny cute shit.


And if they played in the street would you??


I'm not past offering them dark clothing to keep warm if they did it at night.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:17:42 PM EST
If and when the day comes that Mac is so popular that virus-writing vermin begin to attack them, I will do several things:

1) Install the appropriate protective software, which will most likely run better on my Mac than any AV software I've ever run on a PC.

2) Laugh my ass off at the "Macs will never be popular enough for the real smart people to bother with" types.

3) Sit back and remember that I was able to surf almost every corner of the internet for over five years, AV-free, and never once had to worry about it.

The longer Mac takes to become popular enough to trigger the above, the longer I will enjoy #3, as well as fewer computing headaches in general. Oh, I'll also enjoy that it pisses so many people off that I have a Mac.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:35:12 PM EST
I'm a Linux fanboy so these Mac vs MS threads humor me. It's like watching two retards fight, even the one who wins is still retarded.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 1:11:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By zoom:
Originally Posted By dorobuta:
Macs did have (and still do) a lot of security through obscurity - but it's changing.


What? Unlike the Microsoft garbage where Microsoft is too embarrassed to release the source code, Apple released the source code to their OS over a decade ago. The kernel, most of the command-line programs, and their browser are completely open. That openness is one reason it is so secure. Anyone can read the source and find problems. It isn't like Microsoft that adds backdoors then tries to use security through obscurity with the hope that someone doesn't stumble across it.z


guess what?

THEY HAD TO.

You see they used FreeBSD as their base for their code. Therefore they had to release the source code under GPL.
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