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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:44:17 AM EST
Two questions for discussion. When will healthcare admin realize that these types of bacteria are normal bacteria that have adapted through evolutionary process and are now the typical bacteria that colonize industrial society? What percentage of our healthy population are undiagnosed carriers? It may be to non politically correct to acknowledge this fact.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:47:12 AM EST
I dont have enough time to tell you....

... I'll just say "Your right".
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:48:20 AM EST
Already done
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:50:36 AM EST
Pfft. Evolution is just a theory

A THEORY.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:52:21 AM EST
This is evolution taking place before our eyes whether you acknowledge this fact or not!
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:05:33 AM EST
did you know Tea Tree oil is strong enough to kill MSRA and Staph ... good stuff to keep in your med kit... but it will also remove paint and eat plastic..
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:19:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
Two questions for discussion. When will healthcare admin realize that these types of bacteria are normal bacteria that have adapted through evolutionary process and are now the typical bacteria that colonize industrial society? What percentage of our healthy population are undiagnosed carriers? It may be to non politically correct to acknowledge this fact.
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just curious

what does healthcare admin have to do with MRSA and VRE other than be held accountable for the spreading of these bugs to patients, patients families and employees when done within the confines of their facility?


you are 100% correct about undiagnosed carriers but within a facility all precautions should be taken.
if you want to get technical
family pets are the number one agent of infectivity in repeat infections.

I've got a lot of time in large hospitals over the years as well as my own laboratory, so I know both ends of the deal.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:20:07 AM EST
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did you know Tea Tree oil is strong enough to kill MSRA and Staph ... good stuff to keep in your med kit... but it will also remove paint and eat plastic..
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You can also destroy those same bacteria (along with Hep C, AIDS, rabies, etc) with plain ol fire! Although, it tends to negatively affect the patient as well.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:24:20 AM EST
Over prescription of antibiotics. They adapt. In hospitals predominantly. A huge petri dish...
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:36:24 AM EST
My MSRA took a week of hour long treatments of vancomycin.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:46:01 AM EST
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did you know Tea Tree oil is strong enough to kill MSRA and Staph ... good stuff to keep in your med kit... but it will also remove paint and eat plastic..
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Any academic studies on that? Not fucking with you. Honestly curious.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:53:03 AM EST
MRSA...my wife and I are both potential carriers. Her parents both contracted it in hospitals and were carriers afterwards.

I have no idea what MSRA is.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:24:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AR-10:
MRSA...my wife and I are both potential carriers. Her parents both contracted it in hospitals and were carriers afterwards.

I have no idea what MSRA is.
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Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus.
Everybody (well almost everybody) has it on one form or another. I saw a recent stat somewhere (I can not cite it) that 80% of direct care providers have it in the nares after 6 months.
All having MRSA means is that one has to have a treatment slightly more advanced in some cases, to having a treatment including IV antibiotic treatment, which generally means a higher level of care.
Most hospitals and rehabs can bill at a higher rate for these interventions.

What it means: "more money to the providers"

(uber simplification of a complex issue; but you get the jist)
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:34:44 AM EST
I have an understanding of the antibiotic resistant bacterias (non health industry person, I just read a lot). What I don't understand is the statement, " It may be to non politically correct to acknowledge this fact." What does that mean?







Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:40:40 AM EST
No more contact isolation for mrsa and vre at my hospital.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:41:33 AM EST
My mom almost died from a VRE.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:50:43 AM EST
Did OP just say MRSA is normal?


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:51:52 AM EST
Had it twice in both elbows. One you've had it once, you're more susceptible.

http://www.gunnuts.net/2014/09/03/on-the-danger-of-being-a-gear-and-training-luddite/
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:56:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ar154all:

Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus.
Everybody (well almost everybody) has it on one form or another. I saw a recent stat somewhere (I can not cite it) that 80% of direct care providers have it in the nares after 6 months.
All having MRSA means is that one has to have a treatment slightly more advanced in some cases, to having a treatment including IV antibiotic treatment, which generally means a higher level of care.
Most hospitals and rehabs can bill at a higher rate for these interventions.

What it means: "more money to the providers"

(uber simplification of a complex issue; but you get the jist)
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Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By AR-10:
MRSA...my wife and I are both potential carriers. Her parents both contracted it in hospitals and were carriers afterwards.

I have no idea what MSRA is.

Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus.
Everybody (well almost everybody) has it on one form or another. I saw a recent stat somewhere (I can not cite it) that 80% of direct care providers have it in the nares after 6 months.
All having MRSA means is that one has to have a treatment slightly more advanced in some cases, to having a treatment including IV antibiotic treatment, which generally means a higher level of care.
Most hospitals and rehabs can bill at a higher rate for these interventions.

What it means: "more money to the providers"

(uber simplification of a complex issue; but you get the jist)



Stop...
just...
Stop...

being eaten up with a MRSA or VRE in after being in a clinical environment is a bitch to everyone, especially those who are immunocompromised.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:57:43 AM EST
When more than 50% of the population has these types of bacteria it is, indeed, "normal".
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 10:58:45 AM EST
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When more than 50% of the population has these types of bacteria it is, indeed, "normal".
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Education credentials please?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:00:21 AM EST
Once your immune system is exposed to a new type of bacteria, the immune system is better prepared a second exposure.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:01:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Typhoid70:



Education credentials please?
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Originally Posted By Typhoid70:
Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
When more than 50% of the population has these types of bacteria it is, indeed, "normal".



Education credentials please?

Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:02:54 AM EST
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That's not what I was told by three doctors, one of which is an infectious diseases specialist and another, a neurosurgeon with regards to MRSA.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:03:44 AM EST
Think about it. The liberal response to any situation is "we have to do something, anything" this is accompanied by intense wringing of hands. What we have to do in a hospital is laughable! But we are doing something! Lol!
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:04:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
Think about it. The liberal response to any situation is "we have to do something, anything" this is accompanied by intense wringing of hands. What we have to do in a hospital is laughable! But we are doing something! Lol!
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OP: "Liberals did MRSA!"
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:05:15 AM EST
I still would like to know what MSRA is, because I think it is a typo.

I know what MRSA is.

If OP wants to speculate or toss around "facts", he should at least know how to spell what he is talking about.
FIX THE TITLE!
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:05:21 AM EST
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That's not what I was told by three doctors, one of which is an infectious diseases specialist and another, a neurosurgeon with regards to MRSA.
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
Once your immune system is exposed to a new type of bacteria, the immune system is better prepared a second exposure.


That's not what I was told by three doctors, one of which is an infectious diseases specialist and another, a neurosurgeon with regards to MRSA.

Same here. Had MRSA just over 3 years ago and it wrecked my entire immune system.


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:06:44 AM EST
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:07:30 AM EST
Lol

I bet the OP takes colloidal silver and DMSO

And has all of the "science" he needs to reassure himself he can cure himself without doctors.


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:08:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.
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>implying antibiotics destroy all immune response



Weak shit OP
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:12:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Typhoid70:



Education credentials please?
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
When more than 50% of the population has these types of bacteria it is, indeed, "normal".



Education credentials please?


I'm with Typhiod on this one..I'm ass deep in dealing with MRSA and VRE infections/carriers in both humans and animal specimens.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:14:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
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ohhh
ma...

Gawddddd...
i'm going to show this thread to my 14 year old son today and use it as a teaching tool.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:14:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.
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Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:15:48 AM EST
Where did OP go?





Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:16:17 AM EST
I am asking a simple fucking question. Why do credentials have any relevance to questions that have been asked?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:19:53 AM EST
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I am asking a simple fucking question. Why do credentials have any relevance to questions that have been asked?
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You keep talking like you know what you are saying, but it turns into jibber jabber when you hit the submit button. One incorrect statement after another. Are you an specialist in Immunology, or a parking attendant?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:20:28 AM EST
No matter what any says or thinks or argues, evolution is and will take place!
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:20:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OhioLongRange:
did you know Tea Tree oil is strong enough to kill MSRA and Staph ... good stuff to keep in your med kit... but it will also remove paint and eat plastic..
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To me it smells like Kroil. You're absolutely right, though. Tea Tree oil is good stuff.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:24:57 AM EST
In summary, it's just a matter of time until all bacteria is resistant. Can your immune system handle this challenge?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:27:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
I am asking a simple fucking question. Why do credentials have any relevance to questions that have been asked?
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Because it will help determine if you are qualified to actually speak intelligently about a complex subject, or just a nobody with poor grammar and punctuation, who is speaking out of their ass about a topic they can not fully understand.


Does that answer your question?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:28:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
No matter what any says or thinks or argues, evolution is and will take place!
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Nobody was arguing against that.

Do you want a Nobel Peace Prize for your contributions to science?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:30:26 AM EST
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Your immune system, or "our" immune system?

And you are riding on a shitload of assumptions........I won't even begin on that.



Are you getting some chain letter from the "oh mah god the world is collapsing Obama is gonna take x next" files, that my Father in Law didn't send to me?
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:31:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.
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Had a very strong, healthy system up till that point. MRSA can wreck anyone and will kill anyone that doesn't get medical attention as soon as possible.

So I guess under your premise, no one will 'evolve' since they need doctors to help them survive this.



Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:34:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By WileyG27:

Had a very strong, healthy system up till that point. MRSA can wreck anyone and will kill anyone that doesn't get medical attention as soon as possible.

So I guess under your premise, no one will 'evolve' since they need doctors to help them survive this.



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Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.

Had a very strong, healthy system up till that point. MRSA can wreck anyone and will kill anyone that doesn't get medical attention as soon as possible.

So I guess under your premise, no one will 'evolve' since they need doctors to help them survive this.






I've had MRSA. Took a year of on/off Bactrim treatment to kill it.


I'm as healthy, if not healthier than before. I did have a small ear infection a few months back. Zithro took care of it in 5 days.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:35:49 AM EST
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I've had MRSA. Took a year of on/off Bactrim treatment to kill it.


I'm as healthy, if not healthier than before. I did have a small ear infection a few months back. Zithro took care of it in 5 days.
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Originally Posted By Typhoid70:
Originally Posted By WileyG27:
Originally Posted By Joelritenour:
If a human cannot adapt to bacterial adaptation then evolution will take place in the human population. How good is your immune system is the question of the day.

Had a very strong, healthy system up till that point. MRSA can wreck anyone and will kill anyone that doesn't get medical attention as soon as possible.

So I guess under your premise, no one will 'evolve' since they need doctors to help them survive this.






I've had MRSA. Took a year of on/off Bactrim treatment to kill it.


I'm as healthy, if not healthier than before. I did have a small ear infection a few months back. Zithro took care of it in 5 days.

Good the hear that. I almost waited too long to get help and it spread somewhat through my body. Just now beginning to get back on my feet.


Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:36:15 AM EST
OP must have gone back to the blaze forums.....
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:36:39 AM EST
Had MRSA in 2009. No idea how I got it but it didn't take me long to get over it with some antibiotics. Key thing is my body walled it off and formed an abscess which helped me greatly.

Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:38:45 AM EST
Time will prove me to be right, resistant bacteria will be the new normal. It's inexorable!
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:40:42 AM EST
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Time will prove me to be right, resistant bacteria will be the new normal. It's inexorable!
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Time will prove that you need to lay off the pipe.

But for now, your attempts to use words outside of your core vocabulary will prove that I am right.....
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 11:46:30 AM EST
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I still have no idea what OP is trying to get across in this thread.
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