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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:38:35 AM EDT
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.

8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N

The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.



Assume the price of the two are the same.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:40:39 AM EDT
rifle>pistol round
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:40:45 AM EDT
Is this even really a question?
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:42:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:43:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round




and again this is correct...
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:43:58 AM EDT
If it's a real MP5K I'd be interested. If it's just a semi-auto I'd rather have the carbine.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:44:47 AM EDT
MP5K's are just cool.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:46:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


This.

I love my MP5 SBR, but I'll take my AR SBR every single day.

In fact, was out shooting with a buddy and fellow arfcommer recently. I had my MP5, he had his SBR .300blk. His 8.2" barreled .300blk SBR was shorter than my 9mm MP5 SBR with A2 stock.

And just as quiet with subsonics.

There's a reason a .300blk upper is next for my SBR.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:46:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:47:34 AM EDT
You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:48:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 9:46:00 AM EDT by CTM1]
Who you CQBing
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 8:48:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:39:14 AM EDT
Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.

I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such.

Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:43:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.

I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such.

Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though.


The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO.

Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:46:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 9:47:09 AM EDT by Merc1973]
ThIs is ARFCOM...

Thats like asking if the SA-XD is better than a Glock when you're on a Glock forum...
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:48:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 9:49:38 AM EDT by doxdozer]
I'll take a AR 10.5" barrel over anything else. Look at bin Ladin raid, what if those guy needed to fight out of town? I would not want a 9mm
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:49:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


This
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:49:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

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Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:50:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dinmax82:
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.

8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N

The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.
As soon as I saw the title to this thread I knew the OP had to be a relatively recent join.

An MP-5 is always "pistol-like" because it fires a pistol cartridge. The stock folds so you can hide the weapon to avoid scorn and mockery.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 9:51:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.


You would with a suppressed .300 BLK using subsonic ammo.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:29:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes.
Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators.
Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask.
Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:35:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes.
Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators.
Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask.
Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys.


Look FNG you have no idea what his SOP is for using TTP's or his METT-TC. Exfill from this thread before shit becomes a mass-tac on your ass.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:37:46 PM EDT
Having an MP5K navy(sear gun) I would not hesitate in using it to clear rooms, with or without the suppressor.
Matter of fact just got 2K of Federal 147 grain HST JHP for it.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:40:05 PM EDT
I'm guessing that 9mm ammo is cheaper than the .300... At least I'll get to practice.

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Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:42:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 12:42:57 PM EDT by bullyforyou]
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.

I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such.

Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though.


The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO.

Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother.


that B&T side folder looks like the "best of both worlds". folds compact, locks open solid with a real cheek-weld.

doesn't look quite as sweet as the A3, but nothing does.


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:43:43 PM EDT
SIG MPX
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Digitalpunk:
SIG MPX


Why? It's still a 9mm.

I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bullyforyou:
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.

I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such.

Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though.


The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO.

Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother.


that B&T side folder looks like the "best of both worlds". folds compact, locks open solid with a real cheek-weld.

doesn't look quite as sweet as the A3, but nothing does.




Valid point. I think they're ugly so they're marked off my list and I forgot about them.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blacktide:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes.
Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators.
Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask.
Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys.


Look FNG you have no idea what his SOP is for using TTP's or his METT-TC. Exfill from this thread before shit becomes a mass-tac on your ass.


OMG, please don't use those assault acronyms around here!
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:49:31 PM EDT
This is the first time I've been able to say I have both!

I'm not in the business of shooting people, but I really like the shorty AR.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:50:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By Digitalpunk:
SIG MPX


Why? It's still a 9mm.

I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol.


Because without a doubt it will be cheaper than buying a complete 922(r) compliant MP5K clone, and cheaper even than building one.

Pretty much the only reason.

OP, if you're picking between a 9mm AR and an MP5K, the MP5K accomplishes the same goals better (but more expensively). If you're picking between 9mm and .300blk, well I guess then the choice is obvious.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:50:56 PM EDT
Arsenal 106UR
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:52:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 12:53:20 PM EDT by CKxx]
Originally Posted By UberPhLuBB:
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By Digitalpunk:
SIG MPX


Why? It's still a 9mm.

I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol.


Because without a doubt it will be cheaper than buying a complete 922(r) compliant MP5K clone, and cheaper even than building one.

Pretty much the only reason.

OP, if you're picking between a 9mm AR and an MP5K, the MP5K accomplishes the same goals better (but more expensively). If you're picking between 9mm and .300blk, well I guess then the choice is obvious.


I wouldn't be so quick to assume it will be a whole lot cheaper. I'd love for them to cost the same as the M&P rifles used to, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'd like to get one because, with a locking both, it should be damn quiet when suppressed.

Also to add, yes an MP5-type gun is far better than the 9mm AR in several ways.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:54:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.

8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N

The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.

http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg

Assume the price of the two are the same.


I'm definantly a MP5 lover, but the guys replying here are right. 5.56 is a better choice. You can get it down to a 7 inch if you want.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:58:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CTM1:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes.
Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators.
Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask.
Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys.

Oh for fucks sake. Are you really going to throw a tantrum because a civ is using terms, phases, or acronyms that .mil normally use? Do you also have a complaint with us owning anything that has camo on it? What about us owning guns, is that a problem for you too?

Your post is among the top 5 on my "Dumbest shit I ever read on ARFCOM" list. It almost didn't make top 5, but the non-mil callout gave it the push it needed.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 12:58:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.

I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such.

Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though.


Hmmmmm... you seem... familiar.
Link Posted: 3/18/2013 1:02:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2013 1:07:31 PM EDT by Gelgoog]
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.

8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N

The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.

http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg

Assume the price of the two are the same.


Assume one is being made using very sparse parts kits and a couple of skilled builders who can do the work and the other is the most proliferated rifle in this country with hundreds of manufacturers.

Which one will you be able to pick up a year from now? Which one will rise in value as time goes on?


Link Posted: 3/18/2013 1:16:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By dinmax82:
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.

8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N

The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.

http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg

Assume the price of the two are the same.


I'm definantly a MP5 lover, but the guys replying here are right. 5.56 is a better choice. You can get it down to a 7 inch if you want.


Or 300blk
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 10:55:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:

Originally Posted By CTM1:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Who you CQBing


Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything....

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes.
Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators.
Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask.
Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys.

Oh for fucks sake. Are you really going to throw a tantrum because a civ is using terms, phases, or acronyms that .mil normally use? Do you also have a complaint with us owning anything that has camo on it? What about us owning guns, is that a problem for you too?

Your post is among the top 5 on my "Dumbest shit I ever read on ARFCOM" list. It almost didn't make top 5, but the non-mil callout gave it the push it needed.


Reminds me of a guy on another forum who got pissed when I used "military" acronyms on another forum. I work on a FOB* for Pete's sake



*Sorry if this offends anyone, since I'm a civilian.

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Link Posted: 3/19/2013 10:57:02 AM EDT
Fire a round indoors sans earpro out of each, then decide.

Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:00:11 AM EDT
.300blk > 9mm > 5.56 from a sbr..
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:03:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.


Nonsense
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:14:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2013 11:15:41 AM EDT by thefirstemporer]
Unfortunately the way I see it

AR [=={ }=_=== > $1 $1 $1
...........// ( (

MP |==[ ]=== > >> $.20 $.20 $.20
.......... // ((





ps: my drawings took a lot of work. Ok, not really.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:21:02 AM EDT
Im going with a Barrett M82B1K-PDW
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:21:51 AM EDT
This thread is incredibly hard to fap to without pictures.
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:23:41 AM EDT
actually for room clearing how bout

Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:30:12 AM EDT
First two posts nail it

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Link Posted: 3/19/2013 11:32:25 AM EDT
having used both in 10 years as a SWAT Operator....this.


Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
rifle>pistol round


Link Posted: 3/19/2013 2:19:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.

If your doing cqb you need a can, and then its a moot point. A 300 sub sonic will also not be as loud as a 556 round
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 2:26:15 PM EDT
I'd take an MP5 over an SBR AR, but I'd take the .300 BLK over the 9mm
Link Posted: 3/19/2013 2:31:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.


Nonsense


Been inside small rooms with lots of 5.56 being fired and flash bang going off, and a couple of frags in the next room. I still have great hearing.
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