MOAB costs $170,000 per bomb

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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:13:24 AM EDT

I've been seeing a lot of figures on the internet on the cost of the MOAB, from over $300 million to $20 million. Liberals are using these figures to decry the misuse of government funds (like they should talk). Of course, Obama never misused funds, only Trump can.

Business Insider talked to the USAF and they said the cost of the bomb is $170,000.
So, now you have a source to correct the idiot liberals (but I repeat myself) on the internet.

Source:

MOAB cost

Repeated at The Blaze:

Blaze article

And, as a thread in GD has confirmed, there are far more dead terrorists from the bomb than the 36 or so first reported.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:15:53 AM EDT

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Well spent money

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:44 AM EDT

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Then we should buy more and use them.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:47 AM EDT

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I would believe $170K being the flyaway cost, but not the average procurement unit cost.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:48 AM EDT

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Yep defense is the only thing I support .gov spending money on

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:49 AM EDT

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Good return on investment.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:22 AM EDT

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Seems exceptionally cheap to me in the grand scheme of our total spending.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:37 AM EDT

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Can I buy one on a 30-year mortgage? Really doesn’t seem bad, sure we spent a shit ton with all the bombing Obama done last year alone.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:46 AM EDT

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THAT'S CHEAP !!

Compared to a tomahawk : There are 5 or 6 different kinds of Tomahawk missiles and they range from half a mil to 1.4 million EACH.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:57 AM EDT

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AND I'm sure the replacements are build here in the good ole USA.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:18:19 AM EDT

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170k seems very unlikely, but who knows.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:18:44 AM EDT

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When it comes to anything in the budget the libs don't like, they will expand the scope as much as possible.

Well, you couldn't build that thing if there wasn't an Air Force. You have to include the entire Air Force budget during the development of that bomb.

Well, you couldn't have an Air Force without a federal government. You have to include the cost of...

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:19:11 AM EDT

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I heard it's $87

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:19:43 AM EDT

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That's only $1808.51 DPT*. A bargain!

* Dollars Per Terrorist.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:19:48 AM EDT

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300 million better buy a nuclear tipped ICBM.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:20:02 AM EDT

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When your guidance system is "close enough" and your propulsion system is gravity. All you have is a fuck ton of explosives and some tin.

Not a whole lot to it.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:20:32 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:20:47 AM EDT

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170k seems very unlikely.

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Not really. If you exclude all sunk costs such as R&D, and instead just consider the marginal cost of producing a single bomb, I think $170K may be in the ballpark.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:20:47 AM EDT

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I do not believe them. You have to factor in development, testing, and deploying it.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:22:08 AM EDT

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Originals were built at the McAlester Army Ammunition Plant in McAlester, OK.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:22:12 AM EDT

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Sounds like we got our money worth to me. We definitely need more of them.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:22:13 AM EDT

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Define cost. I don't believe Uncle Sam could get a pallet of water to AFG for that.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:24:25 AM EDT

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In another thread some idiots were complaining about the cost of each Tomahawk missile fired at the air base in Syria as being a total waste of money.

That we only damaged the runway (which turned out to be total BS because it took out a 1/5 of Assad's air force = $millions in air craft destroyed).

Maybe we should have used just one of these and cleaned out that entire air base in one fell swoop? I don't know, but, the whining and crying about taking military action against a genocidal leader like Assad was disgusting.

They must be Obama supporters who prefer inaction to direct action (leading to weakening and decay of our military strength).

We need to start using the MOAB more often.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:24:29 AM EDT

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Is that all? Why are we not dropping these every day?

I bet the Psychological effects would be amazing.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:24:39 AM EDT

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If it wasn't government procurement it would cost a lot less.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:25:00 AM EDT

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Don't care. make more. drop more.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:27:03 AM EDT

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$1700 per dead Jihadi scumbag is actually very cost effective.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:27:55 AM EDT

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The more we buy, the cheaper per unit it becomes. So we should buy more.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:28:18 AM EDT

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Its not when you factor in all of the R&D , and startup cost manufacture them . Its not like economics of scale is going to apply to this thing , they arent going to start cranking them out like ford escorts even if we got into WWIII . This thing has a specific use case, and from what I have read they have a small handful of theses things in the inventory. Plus there are a lot of maintenance costs associated with storing big ordnance like this.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:28:50 AM EDT

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Now that the R&D and start-up cost is amortized, a production run on them will drop the unit price fall even more.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:28:55 AM EDT

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Which is money already spent some 13 years ago.

Deploying it shouldn't even be considered, unless you'd prefer that we save money by grounding/mothballing that transport aircraft?

Under your logic we could save a lot more money by grounding/mothballing All of our aircraft. Think of how much money we could save then?

You seriously think that the MOAB is more expensive to deploy then the Tomahawk missile?

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:31:31 AM EDT

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Now I want to see an M Frame revolver with 6 of them loaded in a giant cylinder, stuffed into a shoulder rig, worn by a 200 foot tall Mattis Mech.

MOABoners

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:31:47 AM EDT

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My wife and I purchased over a 1/3rd of one. Or alternately, my wife and I just killed 31.3333 ISIS scum bags! I think I'll have a Coke.

ETA: I guess we'll have to factor in the aircraft, the fuel, the crew.... Hmmm, well maybe we whacked .3333 ISIS scum bags. I'll still have a Coke.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:31:49 AM EDT

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Which is money already spent some 13 years ago.

Deploying it shouldn't even be considered, unless you'd prefer that we save money by grounding/mothballing that transport aircraft?

Under your logic we could save a lot more money by grounding/mothballing All of our aircraft. Think of how much money we could save then?

You seriously think that the MOAB is more expensive to deploy then the Tomahawk missile?

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I do not believe them. You have to factor in development, testing, and deploying it.

Which is money already spent some 13 years ago.

Deploying it shouldn't even be considered, unless you'd prefer that we save money by grounding/mothballing that transport aircraft?

Under your logic we could save a lot more money by grounding/mothballing All of our aircraft. Think of how much money we could save then?

You seriously think that the MOAB is more expensive to deploy then the Tomahawk missile?

Holy flying off the hinge bro. My post didn't say anything about none of that shit.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:33:06 AM EDT

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thats it? I expected it to cost more

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:33:17 AM EDT

[#35]

Worth every penny.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:33:41 AM EDT

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Literally, Hitler.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:33:42 AM EDT

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Did we ever get a formal body count from that drop?

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:34:47 AM EDT

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Its not when you factor in all of the R&D , and startup cost manufacture them . Its not like economics of scale is going to apply to this thing , they arent going to start cranking them out like ford escorts even if we got into WWIII . This thing has a specific use case, and from what I have read they have a small handful of theses things in the inventory. Plus there are a lot of maintenance costs associated with storing big ordnance like this.

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I said 170k seems unlikely because it seems very cheap, not because I think it is less

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:35:17 AM EDT

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Latest count was 94, but I'm sure there are plenty more dead in the tunnels.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:36:27 AM EDT

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That's cheap compared to a Tomahawk.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:36:31 AM EDT

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Not really. If you exclude all sunk costs such as R&D, and instead just consider the marginal cost of producing a single bomb, I think $170K may be in the ballpark.

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Weren't only a handful made? For some reason I seem to recall the number 20 floating around when the bomb first surfaced back in the Bush years. It would be a bit disingenuous to exclude other costs on such a small run, even if the per unit cost is that low.

That said, I don't see a problem with it, I'd just be very surprised if it was actually that inexpensive.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:36:32 AM EDT

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Yep defense is the only thing I support .gov spending money on

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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:37:00 AM EDT

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I said 170k seems unlikely because it seems very cheap, not because I think it is more.

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$170k per unit (not including R&D) seems about right.

It's not really complex, just a big bomb, that uses all of the same tech that's in the rest of them.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:38:42 AM EDT

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Um if you buy 20 bombs and the total program cost was 320 million what is the per unit cost?

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:39:15 AM EDT

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I said 170k seems unlikely because it seems very cheap, not because I think it is more.

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Its not when you factor in all of the R&D , and startup cost manufacture them . Its not like economics of scale is going to apply to this thing , they arent going to start cranking them out like ford escorts even if we got into WWIII . This thing has a specific use case, and from what I have read they have a small handful of theses things in the inventory. Plus there are a lot of maintenance costs associated with storing big ordnance like this.

I said 170k seems unlikely because it seems very cheap, not because I think it is more.

Public figures I could find for the 2000 pound MK 84 bomb seem to agree on a unit price

of around $3000.00. By weight a MOAB is 11 MK84s, which would be $33000, then allow

for other factors, and 150000 to 200000 per bomb doesn't seem unreasonable.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:39:37 AM EDT

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45 ish last i saw

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:39:42 AM EDT

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How much does the trailer cost that they pushed out the back?

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:41:43 AM EDT

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Yahoo says the count just went up to 94.

Money well spent.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:42:24 AM EDT

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Um if you buy 20 bombs and the total program cost was 320 million what is the per unit cost?

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Duh. $170,000. Didn't you read the article.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:43:13 AM EDT

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It's just a large aluminum sled...it's cost would be vanishingly small, compared to the total program cost.

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