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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:08:34 PM EST
Most of them probably voted for douchebag, so...


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-adjuncts-20131026,0,6060361.story


As the federal health reform known as Obamacare takes hold, many community colleges in Maryland and across the country are capping the hours of adjunct faculty — who make up the bulk of their teaching force — to avoid paying for the instructors' health insurance.

The limits put the adjunct teachers on the leading edge of fallout from the Affordable Care Act, whose critics predict that a range of employers will increasingly rely on part-timers to sidestep insurance requirements that go into effect in 2015.

Cash-strapped community colleges in Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Howard and Prince George's counties, among other places, have pre-emptively limited adjuncts' hours, starting this year. Expanding health coverage to such instructors would cost schools across the state $17 million, officials at the Maryland Association of Community Colleges estimated.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:10:45 PM EST
Liberals have no idea of the consequences of their "good ideas". We can't all have free stuff.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:11:31 PM EST
Ha Ha.jpeg

But we're assured this isn't happening.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:12:25 PM EST
A few of my favorite professors were adjunct when I was still at CC.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:13:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 2:14:05 PM EST by dbrad197]
There are murmurs at my work of this happening (not a community college). So for my very first time.......
FBHO

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:14:01 PM EST
You get what you vote for, idiots.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:20:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 2:21:10 PM EST by CLICKBANGBANG]
Every company in the US will be doing this on some level.

There will be even more dead end jobs than before because the employees won't be able to work up to the next position due to healthcare created position caps. This will in turn lock in lower income jobs/ people from being able to move up the corporate ladder to succeeding in their field.

Edit- there, their.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:31:08 PM EST

Northern Virginia Community College was doing this almost a year ago. I had two professors take up class time to ask us to tell the college how we felt about larger class sizes and fewer class times to choose from. There was zero mention of WHY hours were being cut, so I remedied that.

If they're going to make me be that guy I'm going to have fun doing it.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:46:12 PM EST
Soon the question on everybody's mind will be "How many jobs you got?"
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:49:34 PM EST
The CC I work at cut all part time employees hours down to 25 from 30 as to avoid any possibility of having to pay for healthcare depending on how they law is interpreted.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:51:20 PM EST
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"It's not Obama's fault; it's the businesses that are capping people's hours, not Obama."
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:51:38 PM EST
Holy fuck, people. A community college is not exactly the Granola Studies department at UC Berkley.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:51:47 PM EST
I'm surprised adjuncts had health care in the first place. Here, you are considered contractors.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:53:26 PM EST
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Can't escape math. Its all good when it applies to those evil super rich billionaires, which is what a lot of them truly believe. They don't understand, the people that it REALLY affects, are normal middle class people that get normal middle class paychecks.

Must be nice to be apart of a political group that knows you can just throw out buzzwords and oneliners, and your supporters will never look into it any deeper than what you tell them.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:57:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Holy fuck, people. A community college is not exactly the Granola Studies department at UC Berkley.
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..its Maryland..
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:57:32 PM EST
Can't say I'm surprised.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:00:25 PM EST
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Can't escape math. Its all good when it applies to those evil super rich billionaires, which is what a lot of them truly believe. They don't understand, the people that it REALLY affects, are normal middle class people that get normal middle class paychecks.

Must be nice to be apart of a political group that knows you can just throw out buzzwords and oneliners, and your supporters will never look into it any deeper than what you tell them.
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Originally Posted By Pony151515:
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Liberals have no idea of the consequences of their "good ideas". We can't all have free stuff.


Can't escape math. Its all good when it applies to those evil super rich billionaires, which is what a lot of them truly believe. They don't understand, the people that it REALLY affects, are normal middle class people that get normal middle class paychecks.

Must be nice to be apart of a political group that knows you can just throw out buzzwords and oneliners, and your supporters will never look into it any deeper than what you tell them.
It's not like this thread is mostly people expressing their assumption that "college = liberal" with one or two sentences.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:03:26 PM EST
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..its Maryland..
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Holy fuck, people. A community college is not exactly the Granola Studies department at UC Berkley.
..its Maryland..
A place with plenty of 4 year colleges chock full of liberal dipshits teaching bullshit topics.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:05:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 3:05:32 PM EST by Justa_TXguy]
Couldn't have happened to a bunch of people more deserving.

Keep preaching your communism, assholes.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 9:43:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
A place with plenty of 4 year colleges chock full of liberal dipshits teaching bullshit topics.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Holy fuck, people. A community college is not exactly the Granola Studies department at UC Berkley.
..its Maryland..
A place with plenty of 4 year colleges chock full of liberal dipshits teaching bullshit topics.


In my case the super lib female professor didn't really know what to say. The other professor was a little more chatty, admitted he voted for Obama the first time but not the second time, and also said that academia leans pretty hard left and they were getting what they deserved when they got their hours cut.

I think that's more what people are reacting to, not to the fact that it's community college.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:00:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By rdblan2:
Most of them probably voted for douchebag, so...


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-adjuncts-20131026,0,6060361.story


As the federal health reform known as Obamacare takes hold, many community colleges in Maryland and across the country are capping the hours of adjunct faculty — who make up the bulk of their teaching force — to avoid paying for the instructors' health insurance.

The limits put the adjunct teachers on the leading edge of fallout from the Affordable Care Act, whose critics predict that a range of employers will increasingly rely on part-timers to sidestep insurance requirements that go into effect in 2015.

Cash-strapped community colleges in Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Howard and Prince George's counties, among other places, have pre-emptively limited adjuncts' hours, starting this year. Expanding health coverage to such instructors would cost schools across the state $17 million, officials at the Maryland Association of Community Colleges estimated.
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What's even more hilarious is that many of those liberal states consider 20 hours to be full time for health insurance purposes (or fine companies cutting hours below 30 to avoid obamacare, and you have to cover all full time employees, even if you have under 10 of them in those states). Thus you are seeing mass layoffs at the same time hours are being cut for those remaining.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:19:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Liberals have no idea of the consequences of their "good ideas". We can't all have free stuff.
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thats because most can't count to potato...
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:31:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Couldn't have happened to a bunch of people more deserving.

Keep preaching your communism, assholes.

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THIS. Commie trash deserves to suffer.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 1:59:57 AM EST
That is what happens when a Socialist program runs up against a Capitalist system. They soon find out Socialism is not free.

I guess they really thought that the insurance companies would not raise premiums/deductibles to cover the unneeded Halfrican Care mandates they are now required to cover now.

I guess they also thought their employers would not move heaven and earth to avoid the mandates they face. At the end of the day it's all about the bottom line and the bean counters are not concerned about the hours of the libtards.

Serves them right.





Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:03:38 AM EST
Actions have consequences. They want Zero, they get The Grinch.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:03:42 AM EST
This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:09:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
It's not like this thread is mostly people expressing their assumption that "college = liberal" with one or two sentences.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By Pony151515:
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Liberals have no idea of the consequences of their "good ideas". We can't all have free stuff.


Can't escape math. Its all good when it applies to those evil super rich billionaires, which is what a lot of them truly believe. They don't understand, the people that it REALLY affects, are normal middle class people that get normal middle class paychecks.

Must be nice to be apart of a political group that knows you can just throw out buzzwords and oneliners, and your supporters will never look into it any deeper than what you tell them.
It's not like this thread is mostly people expressing their assumption that "college = liberal" with one or two sentences.


Nowadays, it's pretty much true. Schools and colleges tend to attract employees with a liberal bent far more then most other occupations. Doesn't mean they all are, but as a general rule, you'll find they tend to be left leaning all the way to batshit socialist.
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Originally Posted By LowBeta:
This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.
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It's either nefarious because they new what the reaction would be, or incompetent because they didn't anticipate it.

Unless they plan on implementing mandatory union membership and tenure there is no way to keep businesses from cutting hours or hiring contractor only labor to get around paying out for health care.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:25:07 AM EST
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A liberal somewhere just came.

Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:34:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
There are murmurs at my work of this happening (not a community college). So for my very first time.......
FBHO

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Barry Hussein's policies have been fucking you for years and now you say FBHO?
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:02:20 AM EST
Most of them voted for...?

try 90%.

What a reality check for the leftists.

Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:25:41 AM EST
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My wife is in payroll and they've been talking about this sort of thing at conferences since Obamacare became a thing.

If you're company can do this to you, they probably will.

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This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.
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Part of me figure it's just stupidity designed by idiots who've never worked a real job in their lives. The President hasn't, most in Congress haven't, and shit the staffers at Congress mostly get those jobs right out of college.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:29:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LowBeta:
This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.
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Places the blame for increased costs and/or loss of healthcare on those "evil fatcat CEOs"
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:41:18 AM EST
My brother teaches online classes for a community college in AZ. His hours have been hacked for that exact reason.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:51:57 AM EST
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THIS!! Most of those affected are more than likely left wing loons that voted for a slogan, serves them right. I wonder how that change is working for them.

FBO
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:01:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By rdblan2:
Most of them probably voted for douchebag, so...


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-adjuncts-20131026,0,6060361.story


As the federal health reform known as Obamacare takes hold, many community colleges in Maryland and across the country are capping the hours of adjunct faculty — who make up the bulk of their teaching force — to avoid paying for the instructors' health insurance.

The limits put the adjunct teachers on the leading edge of fallout from the Affordable Care Act, whose critics predict that a range of employers will increasingly rely on part-timers to sidestep insurance requirements that go into effect in 2015.

Cash-strapped community colleges in Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Howard and Prince George's counties, among other places, have pre-emptively limited adjuncts' hours, starting this year. Expanding health coverage to such instructors would cost schools across the state $17 million, officials at the Maryland Association of Community Colleges estimated.
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These counties are the reason why MD is a blue state.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:07:23 AM EST
They'll blame it on Bush.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:12:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Couldn't have happened to a bunch of people more deserving.

Keep preaching your communism, assholes.

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The majority of the instructors at my CC voted republican. I shoot with about 8 of them weekly and they offer CCW classes through the adult ed program to support our LEO program.

Community college adjunct instructors generally com from the private sector and teach their trades. They are not manufactured in the typical 4yr. higher ed culture.

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunately, Obamacare was never good intentioned from conception.


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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Holy fuck, people. A community college is not exactly the Granola Studies department at UC Berkley.
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Community colleges have value because often they are the mainstay of vocational studies and for many students provide a less expensive method to complete the first two years of general studies before transferring to a four-year institution.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:39:21 AM EST
Obama has flat out stated their is no evidence of this ever happening. My question is why aren't the Republican's parading around people who have lost their insurance, had their hours cut to avoid insurance, or are facing huge premium increases? Now is the perfect time for them to be doing this as people are filling out their healthcare forms for next year. Yet all we get from the Republican party is crickets.
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I'm not sure how that would pass IRS scruteny.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:48:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By LowBeta:
This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.
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Maybe, but probably not. I work with a lot of liberal government employees and policy makers (at the local level) and they rarely think of the potential negative consequences to their actions. This is mostly because a) they believe their idea/concept is so terrific no one in their right mind wouldn't want it; b) they don't give serious consideration to the possibility that people/businesses might change their behavior/actions to fall below the arbitrarily exclusionary "cut-offs" built into the program/policy; and c) they are so engrossed in their perceived "brilliant" idea/policy/program and the "good" they believe it will accomplish they don't stop and consider (or give much merit to) alternatives and "what if" outcomes when they are raised.
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I'm not sure how that would pass IRS scruteny.
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I'm surprised adjuncts had health care in the first place. Here, you are considered contractors.


I'm not sure how that would pass IRS scruteny.


It's not that they had health care. They didn't. Adjunct are paid for Contact hours. They are it paid for grading, course development and answering student emails. The IRS has stopped letting this practice slide and insist colleges count these hours towards the health care requirements. They are NOT requiring the colleges to pay for these hours though

In ohio the big schools figured out a percentage of hours that are non-contact vs contact. At that point they looked at the instructor's time teaching and cut their hours by the non-contact ratio. This is done to avoid the health care they weren't paying anyway.



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We get what they voted for.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:53:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Spade:
My wife is in payroll and they've been talking about this sort of thing at conferences since Obamacare became a thing.

If you're company can do this to you, they probably will.



Part of me figure it's just stupidity designed by idiots who've never worked a real job in their lives. The President hasn't, most in Congress haven't, and shit the staffers at Congress mostly get those jobs right out of college.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
My wife is in payroll and they've been talking about this sort of thing at conferences since Obamacare became a thing.

If you're company can do this to you, they probably will.

Originally Posted By LowBeta:
This hour cutting is sooo widespread and cuts across so many business types that I have to wonder if the hours-worked trigger for coverage wasn't designed to do this.


Part of me figure it's just stupidity designed by idiots who've never worked a real job in their lives. The President hasn't, most in Congress haven't, and shit the staffers at Congress mostly get those jobs right out of college.


This. Almost all government programs/policies have means-testing or cut-offs as part of policy design, and all entitlement programs do because they are intended to only be available for a certain portion of the population. Often the cut-off point is just an arbitrarily selected number, or based in some meager measure of math (like age 18 is an adult, or age 21 is legal to drink alcohol, or x% above the poverty level, x number of employees, etc.).
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 7:58:15 AM EST
The people that voted for it get a lesson in economics. The ones that voted against it get to walk around knowing they were right.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 8:08:51 AM EST
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"It's not Obama's fault; it's the businesses that are capping people's hours, not Obama."
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You get what you vote for, idiots.
"It's not Obama's fault; it's the businesses that are capping people's hours, not Obama."



Originally Posted By raven:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
You get what you vote for, idiots.
"It's not Obama's fault; it's the businesses that are capping people's hours, not Obama."



I posted that twice just so it isn't missed. Ultimately, this is exactly what will be said, and all the liberals will NOT have some sort of dramatic eye opening epiphany. They'll just blame the evil businesses, be it employers or insurance companies, and not their messiah.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 8:18:07 AM EST
Same thing happened to one of my wife's friends. She works for the city govt here. Her hours were cut to avoid paying for her health insurance ( that she already gets thru her husband's job ). She and her husband are spenders. They get paid and they spend it right away. Because her hours were cut her paycheck will be smaller -- therefor she will spend less money. I'll bet there are enough people in her situation to see a reduction in consumer spending in the next few months. But of course the official party line will be either to lie about it or blame Bush.
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Barry Hussein's policies have been fucking you for years and now you say FBHO?
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
There are murmurs at my work of this happening (not a community college). So for my very first time.......
FBHO

ETA grammar


Barry Hussein's policies have been fucking you for years and now you say FBHO?



Must have voted for him.

TXL
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 9:21:23 AM EST
Sweet. More hours for me.
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