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Posted: 9/5/2010 9:12:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:14:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 9:17:19 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:


Am I being too cynical.....

probably

a cure for any major genetic disease would be worth untold $$$
as most of the low hanging fruit has been taken care of

however you bring up a valid point
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:22:20 PM EDT
Yeah, those fucking dentists, handing out all that candy at Halloween.
Fuckers.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:22:55 PM EDT
If you discover a cure for a major disease, the last thing you will ever have to look for is work.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:23:30 PM EDT
Yes. You are being way, way too cynical.

Do you have any idea the fame and fortune that would come your way if you find the cure to one of the big life-destroying diseases? The Nobel Prize would be a start. Then there's all the money you could potentially make while the cure is under patent, the talk show circuit, book deals, speaking engagements and your name going down in history. Everybody remembers Jonas Salk, Edward Jenner and Louis Pasteur.

In order to suppress the cure for a disease, you would essentially require the cooperation of EVERYBODY who does any work towards such a cure. Do you know how many thousands of researchers are out there working on muscular dystrophy? Or AIDS? Or the various types of cancer? How on earth do you expect thousands upon thousands of people, many of whom are motivated by much more than money (and if you disagree that many are motivated by more than money, you have never met cancer or AIDS researchers), to keep their mouth shut when it takes only one to leak it and be propelled to glory as well as see the eradication of one of the diseases that plague mankind?

No, the problem is simply that some diseases can't be cured. Do you want to know how people without access to modern equipment developed cures for polio and smallpox? Because, comparatively speaking, those diseases are easy to cure. You want to cure cancer? Sure, just figure out a way to keep DNA from mutating. Ever.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:24:28 PM EDT

i've heard people say a cure for cancer has been found but there's too much money involved with cancer



Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:26:28 PM EDT
I have heard this too.

Big business and all.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 9:33:28 PM EDT
Let's say you're a drug company...
You pay for research into cancer drugs...
You pay for development...
You pay for testing...
You pay for FDA approval...

At the end of it, you'd think it's your prerogative to charge $100k per dose; after all, you've invested a LOT of money to bring this to market.

Right?

Wrong.

The MSM will crucify you, insurance companies will not cover your drug, patient advocacy orgs will howl for your blood.

The painful truth is that if you invent something that people NEED, there will be all sorts of shitbags who feel that it should be available to everyone, i.e. free.

If you invent something that people WANT, but is frivolous, you can charge whatever the fuck you want (see Apple, botox, viagra).
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:12:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
Let's say you're a drug company...
You pay for research into cancer drugs...
You pay for development...
You pay for testing...
You pay for FDA approval...

At the end of it, you'd think it's your prerogative to charge $100k per dose; after all, you've invested a LOT of money to bring this to market.

Right?

Wrong.

The MSM will crucify you, insurance companies will not cover your drug, patient advocacy orgs will howl for your blood.

The painful truth is that if you invent something that people NEED, there will be all sorts of shitbags who feel that it should be available to everyone, i.e. free.

If you invent something that people WANT, but is frivolous, you can charge whatever the fuck you want (see Apple, botox, viagra).



Pharma is heavily subsidized by US gov.

And they don't give shit away free.

Millions of doses of flu vaccine were purchased with last flu scare we had...we, the taxpayer paid for that shit, it wasn't free.

Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:14:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
In the early part of the 20th century they were finding cures for diseases left and right. No computers, no labs, they just did it. Jerry Lewis and the MDA foundation has raised 2 1/2 billion dollars for research to solve muscular dystrophy and yet the cure remains a mystery.

I'm assuming the reason cures aren't found for anything anymore is funding, the only thing a scientist would be doing if they actually found a cure is putting themselves out of "work".

Am I being too cynical.....


Nope

Finding a cure would put big companies out of business.

Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:18:48 PM EDT
The diseases that are left, are there precisely because they are difficult to cure.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:33:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:

i've heard people say a cure for cancer has been found but there's too much money involved with cancer




Nah, if they invented a pill that cures cancer, they would simply charge $1,000,000.00 per pill.


Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:48:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 11:53:14 PM EDT by guardian855]
You are being too cynical. Muscular dystrophy is a class of diseases that are caused by gene defects. A person is usually born with the genes that cause MD, therefore it would be a very hard disease to prevent or to cure. Major initatives in the early 20th century targeted diseases caused by viruses and bacteria. March of Dimes was originally set up to fight polio, a fight that organization won (well at least it was around when we discovered the vaccine for the virus that causes polio.) Now the March of Dimes is targeting cystic fibrosis I believe, another condition caused by gene defects as an example of an initiative that succeeded in it's goal in the 20th century.

I've seen other conditions get thrown under the MDA umbrella such as ALS (Lou Gerhig's Disease) and multiple sclerosis. Those conditions do cause problems with the muscles (usually because they attack the nerves controlling the muscles) they aren't true muscular dystrophy, they don't seem to have a genetic component, or at least aren't caused directly by a gene defect, so we might be able to figure out a way to cure those someday.

Until we can find a way to safetly and reliably change a person's genetic makeup to the way we want, we will likely never find a cure or a vaccine for MD. We might be able to find drugs or treatments that help improve the life of someone who suffers from MD, maybe even cure the symptoms if we can't cure the disease.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 11:49:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ORIGINAL-Waterdog:
Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
Let's say you're a drug company...
You pay for research into cancer drugs...
You pay for development...
You pay for testing...
You pay for FDA approval...

At the end of it, you'd think it's your prerogative to charge $100k per dose; after all, you've invested a LOT of money to bring this to market.

Right?

Wrong.

The MSM will crucify you, insurance companies will not cover your drug, patient advocacy orgs will howl for your blood.

The painful truth is that if you invent something that people NEED, there will be all sorts of shitbags who feel that it should be available to everyone, i.e. free.

If you invent something that people WANT, but is frivolous, you can charge whatever the fuck you want (see Apple, botox, viagra).



Pharma is heavily subsidized by US gov.

And they don't give shit away free.

Millions of doses of flu vaccine were purchased with last flu scare we had...we, the taxpayer paid for that shit, it wasn't free.

And society as a whole benefited from the millions of doses of flu vaccine. The big problem we had with them was setting up a distribution system to get them out to the population.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 12:12:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ORIGINAL-Waterdog:
Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
Let's say you're a drug company...
You pay for research into cancer drugs...
You pay for development...
You pay for testing...
You pay for FDA approval...

At the end of it, you'd think it's your prerogative to charge $100k per dose; after all, you've invested a LOT of money to bring this to market.

Right?

Wrong.

The MSM will crucify you, insurance companies will not cover your drug, patient advocacy orgs will howl for your blood.

The painful truth is that if you invent something that people NEED, there will be all sorts of shitbags who feel that it should be available to everyone, i.e. free.

If you invent something that people WANT, but is frivolous, you can charge whatever the fuck you want (see Apple, botox, viagra).



Pharma is heavily subsidized by US gov.

And they don't give shit away free.

Millions of doses of flu vaccine were purchased with last flu scare we had...we, the taxpayer paid for that shit, it wasn't free.



And they ended up giving the doses away free in the spring..probably get the old ones this year with fresh dates stamped on them

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 12:22:12 AM EDT
I have a condition that's is classified as a form of muscular dystrophy. It's a mild form and is non-progressive than god, but the one medication that is the best suited to combat the symptoms is getting increasingly hard to find, as the pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money on it. The internet forum that I participate in has a section on how to order this drug through the mail from Canada as the supply dwindles.

Hiding the cure for MD is no pharmaceutical conspiracy, they don't make a whole lot of money on them. Their big profit drugs are for stuff like viagra and diabeties.
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