MAC-V SOG 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line gear - PICS - Page 1

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Posted: 5/2/2013 7:30:53 PM EDT

1st Line: Watch, pocket knife, compass, signal mirror, pen flare gun with extra flares, emergency radio, strobe light, pen and paper, signal whistle, matches, signal panel, and water purification tablets.

2nd Line: Carbine with 21 magazines, six M67 frags, three mini grenades, poncho, two 1-qt canteens, smoke grenade, gas mask, 1911, and bandages.

3rd Line: Explosives, detonators, machete, Claymore mine, smoke grenades, one gallon of water, zip ties, alice pack.

Photo caption: Explosive Laden: RT New York One Zero John St. Martin carried a claymore mine in his chest pouch and a chain-like detonation cord covered with steel washers for quick explosive ambushes.

Photo insert: Golf ball-sized V40 mini grenade.
I scanned these photos out of my copy of SOG: A Photo History Of The Secret Wars, by John L. Plaster. It's my favorite book about Vietnam, an absolutely great read.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:35:38 PM EDT

[#1]

You know you're a bad motherfucker when you wear a claymore like a necklace.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:36:04 PM EDT

[#2]

Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Dallas with all that stuff.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:39:02 PM EDT

[#3]

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:40:20 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

Dallas

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:43:54 PM EDT

[#5]

I have an autographed copy of Secret Commandos: Behind the Enemy Lines with the Elite Warriors of SOG by John L. Plaster. Great Pics thanks for posting.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:45:31 PM EDT

[#6]

I first heard Plaster on G. Gordon Liddy's show. Great books.

I miss the G Man's show. He kicked ass in the 90's.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:47:09 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

Dallas

yep.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:49:50 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I first heard Plaster on G. Gordon Liddy's show. Great books.

I miss the G Man's show. He kicked ass in the 90's.

Agreed. Off topic, do you know why he went off the air? I had sirius for about 3 years and didnt listen much to AM radio, when I started listening again he was off the air.

Edit, just googled it up and I guess he just retired.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:50:57 PM EDT

[#9]

V40 mini grenade, I just doubled my knowledge today

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:53:10 PM EDT

[#10]

That det cord with washers and those mini grenades scream fun as well

Quoted:
You know you're a bad motherfucker when you wear a claymore like a necklace.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:54:13 PM EDT

[#11]

Dig those 20 round mag pouches.

It looks like alot of gear but it distributes well.

Det cord and washers? Love it.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:55:32 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
You know you're a bad motherfucker when you wear a claymore like a necklace.

This.

Posted: 5/2/2013 7:58:08 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Dig those 20 round mag pouches.

It looks like alot of gear but it distributes well.

Det cord and washers? Love it.

FWIW, St. Martin was wearing what looks like an old BAR belt. I've heard it worked well with 20rd M16 mags.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:01:59 PM EDT

[#14]

21 mags? 420rds if all filled to 20rds. I wonder why there is no cross load of belted ammo, Batteries for radio ect.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:21:15 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I first heard Plaster on G. Gordon Liddy's show. Great books.

I miss the G Man's show. He kicked ass in the 90's.

Agreed. Off topic, do you know why he went off the air? I had sirius for about 3 years and didnt listen much to AM radio, when I started listening again he was off the air.

Edit, just googled it up and I guess he just retired.

Age caught up with him. Hard to be virile, vigorous, and potent in your eighties.

He had some of the greatest guests of all the nineties talk radio shows in my opinion. I remember Mark Bowden pitching Black Hawk Down on his show as well as guests like Plaster, Ken Shamrock, Sonny Barger. Fuckin awesome. I miss it.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:23:17 PM EDT

[#16]

Un-possible that you could fight a war without optics and a bunch of magpul accessories.

4073

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:24:20 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Dig those 20 round mag pouches.

It looks like alot of gear but it distributes well.

Det cord and washers? Love it.

FWIW, St. Martin was wearing what looks like an old BAR belt. I've heard it worked well with 20rd M16 mags.

Thanks. Buddy has a few BAR's, will have to see if he has an extra belt.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:30:37 PM EDT

[#18]

I'm not the type to idolize people, but he's one of a handfull of guys I look up to. Dude was a bad ass mother fucker amongst bad mother fuckers.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:34:34 PM EDT

[#19]

Good stuff, thanks for posting.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:35:07 PM EDT

[#20]

Those photos from a book?

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:35:34 PM EDT

[#21]

I can hear his balls clang from 40 years back.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:40:09 PM EDT

[#22]

I'm going on 20 years in the military and have yet heard anyone refer to gear as 1st line, 2nd line, blah blah blah

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:40:43 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Those photos from a book?

An expensive book. The paperback seems to be running + $50. I remember the hardcover going for eighty bucks at one time and passed on it.

http://www.amazon.com/SOG-Photo-History-Secret-Wars/dp/1581605978

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:41:45 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Dig those 20 round mag pouches.

It looks like alot of gear but it distributes well.

Det cord and washers? Love it.

FWIW, St. Martin was wearing what looks like an old BAR belt. I've heard it worked well with 20rd M16 mags.

Yep. Very popular with SOG, SF & SEALs.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:48:27 PM EDT

[#25]

IIRC, we used to have a member from MACVSOG quite a few years back. What ever happened to him?

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:49:34 PM EDT

[#26]

(Photos courtesy of TexasRifleman.)

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:49:55 PM EDT

[#27]

Is that a 30rd magazine in the carbine?

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:53:51 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Is that a 30rd magazine in the carbine?

Yes. They were used in Vietnam, in limited numbers.

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:55:58 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Is that a 30rd magazine in the carbine?

yup

Posted: 5/2/2013 8:59:20 PM EDT

[#30]

this thread is full of awesome

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:03:06 PM EDT

[#31]

I think the grenade next to the smoke is a Willy Pete. It's the shape of one, but I could be wrong.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:06:39 PM EDT

[#32]

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:07:05 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I first heard Plaster on G. Gordon Liddy's show. Great books.

I miss the G Man's show. He kicked ass in the 90's.

Yes, he did...

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:10:26 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
I think the grenade next to the smoke is a Willy Pete. It's the shape of one, but I could be wrong.

Correct. In the last pic, Armson OEG?

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:15:31 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Un-possible that you could fight a war without optics and a bunch of magpul accessories.

4073

Oh the irony, see those para-cord loops on the mags, thats where the concept for the original Magpul came from

The improvisation and problem solving on a soldiers gear is always interesting to study

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:17:52 PM EDT

[#36]

If you wanna get yer SOG on, read "Reflections of a Warrior".

Autobiography of Franklin Miller.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:18:10 PM EDT

[#37]

In the first line gear, to the left, under the watch and pocket knife, they don't list what those are. They look like they are morphine syrettes.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:19:09 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
21 mags? 420rds if all filled to 20rds. I wonder why there is no cross load of belted ammo, Batteries for radio ect.

Typical, a basic load would only get them through the first immediate action drill in an ambush. Been awhile since I read Plaster's book, but I don't immediately recall any belt fed weapons being used on the SOG recon teams. Maybe cut down RPDs though?

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:22:43 PM EDT

[#39]

V40's.........

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:29:34 PM EDT

[#40]

Holy shit, them boys liked the go-booms!

I want that detcord, looks fun!

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:32:42 PM EDT

[#41]

That pistol looks like a Hi-power.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:35:15 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
In the first line gear, to the left, under the watch and pocket knife, they don't list what those are. They look like they are morphine syrettes.

I'd wager you'd correct.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:37:30 PM EDT

[#43]

He retired July 27, 2012

Quoted:

Quoted:
I first heard Plaster on G. Gordon Liddy's show. Great books.

I miss the G Man's show. He kicked ass in the 90's.

Agreed. Off topic, do you know why he went off the air? I had sirius for about 3 years and didnt listen much to AM radio, when I started listening again he was off the air.

Edit, just googled it up and I guess he just retired.

Age caught up with him. Hard to be virile, vigorous, and potent in your eighties.

He had some of the greatest guests of all the nineties talk radio shows in my opinion. I remember Mark Bowden pitching Black Hawk Down on his show as well as guests like Plaster, Ken Shamrock, Sonny Barger. Fuckin awesome. I miss it.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:37:51 PM EDT

[#44]

A real scary guy wears a claymore as a necklace. Fake wannabe scary guys wear hood ornaments as a necklace.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:43:09 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In the first line gear, to the left, under the watch and pocket knife, they don't list what those are. They look like they are morphine syrettes.

I'd wager you'd correct.

http://www.mtaofnj.org/content/WWII%20Combat%20Medic%20-%20Dave%20Steinert/wwii_files/syrette.jpg

Yea, it looks like they are.

I'm not sure what a normal dose is, but it seems like having 4 is quite a bit of morphine. Then again, maybe it's like pain pills where they say "take 1-2." Gives them enough for 2 separate dosages to hold out for 8-12 hours if wounded. Anyway, just speculation.

ETA: It's kind of funny the difference between IFAK's now and then. All they had were narcotic pain meds, no dressings. Now, they don't trust the average guy with heavy pain meds.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:56:02 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

He retired July 27, 2012

He began dropping from syndicated markets way before that. I have some of his shows from 2011 on itunes. They aint the same.

Lingenfelter ZR-1 driving, Harley riding, Clinton bashing Liddy was a thing of beauty.

Posted: 5/2/2013 9:59:23 PM EDT

[#47]

XM-28 gasmask, straight up POS.

Posted: 5/2/2013 10:06:19 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In the first line gear, to the left, under the watch and pocket knife, they don't list what those are. They look like they are morphine syrettes.

I'd wager you'd correct.

http://www.mtaofnj.org/content/WWII%20Combat%20Medic%20-%20Dave%20Steinert/wwii_files/syrette.jpg

Yea, it looks like they are.

I'm not sure what a normal dose is, but it seems like having 4 is quite a bit of morphine. Then again, maybe it's like pain pills where they say "take 1-2." Gives them enough for 2 separate dosages to hold out for 8-12 hours if wounded. Anyway, just speculation.

ETA: It's kind of funny the difference between IFAK's now and then. All they had were narcotic pain meds, no dressings. Now, they don't trust the average guy with heavy pain meds.

If I'm not mistaken one dose was pretty heavy around 16mg. 2-3 was enough to kill someone.