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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:57:01 PM EDT
12/23 ATF retreats for now
12/18 Notice open for comment 12/17 Official Federal Register Notice Interview with SB Tactical owner  Pistol Brace Creator Talks w/The Gun Collective about ATF Flip Flopping updated MAC video  UPDATE: DOJ and ATF stance on braced pistols In the next 48 hours the DOJ will publish a letter for a rule change on the Federal Register that will possibly change the public perception of braces and place the ATF in a position to rule on any individual braced pistol to be an illegal SBR. Things like caliber, length of pull, accessories like scopes, forward hand grips, drum magazines and bipods may lead the ATF to deem your particular firearm to be an illegal SBR. However, the letter does not offer any detailed guidance as to the specifics such as the calibers that make it a SBR, the specific length of pull, the weight, etc. it only speaks in generalities. Because the letter does not clearly define what is a legal braced configuration vs. an illegal SBR, it leaves owners to guess for themselves what might be legal and what isn't. Owners will have the option of registering their braced pistol on the NFA but the tax will we waived as long as the gun was in said configuration prior to the publication of the DOJ letter. You will also be able to remove the brace, surrender the gun, change the barrel length to 16" or destroy the firearm. The letter on the Federal Register will be open for comments for 2 weeks. The end of the letter states that the rule change does not carry the force of law. So what does it mean? Only the ATF and DOJ seem to know. Welcome to the largest gun registration scheme in US history. I hope you're as pissed off as I am. More to come. Prince law blog post In a 16 page draft copy of proposed rulemaking specifying "Objective Factors for Classifying Stablizing Braces", the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has proposed entering into rulemaking to delineate the objective factors considered when "evaluating firearms with an attached stabilizing brace to determine whether they are considered firearms under the National Firearms Act ('NFA') and/or the Gun Control Act ('GCA)" and the Department of Justice's plan to "subsequently implement a separate process for current possessors of stabilizer-equipped firearms to choose to register such firearms in compliance with the NFA." While the proposed rulemaking has not yet been published in the Federal Register, it is expected to be published in the upcoming weeks and interestingly seemingly in violation of the law ATF is only providing a 14 day comment period, at least, pursuant to the draft copy. "Written comments must be postmarked and electronic comments must be submitted on or before [INSERT DATE 14 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER]." It would not surprise me if the proposed rulemaking is published on December 24th, so that most interested individuals and businesses will be distracted by the holidays and unable to respond in the two week response period. To prevent against these types of shenanigans, the Gun Control Act mandates a 90 day comment period. magic get your free tax stamp part Consequently, following issuance of this notice, ATF and DOJ plan to implement a separate process by which current possessors of affected stabilizer-equipped firearms may choose to register such firearms to be compliant with the NFA. As part of that process, ATF plans to expedite processing of these applications, and ATF has been informed that the Attorney General plans retroactively to exempt such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes if they were made or acquired, prior to the publication of this notice, in good faith. This separate process may include the following options: registering the firearm in compliance with the NFA (described above), permanently AS SUBMITTED removing the stabilizing brace from the firearm and disposing of it, replacing the barrel of the firearm (16" or greater for a rifle, or 18" or greater for a shotgun), surrendering the firearm to ATF, or destroying the firearm. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:59:05 PM EDT
[#1]
FATF
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:59:07 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah nobody saw that coming years ago.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:59:30 PM EDT
[#3]
Make things up as you go. This is just the beginning. Wait till you see what other agencies and departments come up with.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:59:31 PM EDT
[#4]
ATF gonna have 87 million new SBR apps.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:59:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Good luck with that. How many braces and pistols are out there now?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:00:22 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck with that. How many braces and pistols are out there now? |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:00:32 PM EDT
[#7]
I call incomplete information or BS. Federal register public comment periods are 30 days minimum typically. Something as controversial as this with a 20 day comment period is 1. too short for adequate public participation, and 2. a very random choice if time period (20 days).
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:00:39 PM EDT
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https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/16/atf-to-institute-rulemaking-regarding-stabilizing-braces-and-require-registration-of-currently-owned-braces/
14-day comment period over the Christmas holidays? That’s horseshit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:01:01 PM EDT
[#9]
My guess is that anything in 5.56 and 7.62 will be an SBR
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:01:20 PM EDT
[#10]
I guess the pistol I was about to Form 1 anyway is about to be tax free.
Other than that, fuck that ruling. Sick and tired of infringement and the ATF ruling by decree. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:01:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Where’s the prepublication notice for something this impactful and controversial?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:02:43 PM EDT
[#12]
It's just a toy right. Who needs one....right GD?
Remember, bump stocks were only the beginning...and we got Trump to thank for getting the psrty started. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:02:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's the prepublication notice for something this impactful and controversial? |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:03:17 PM EDT
[#14]
"Owners will have the option of registering their braced pistol on the NFA but the tax will we waived as long as the gun was in said configuration prior to the publication of the DOJ letter."
Why was that option never offered for those with bumpstocks? And if they can just waive the tax for this why can't they waive the tax for anything else.....say like every semiauto rifle and +10 mag in existence? |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:03:23 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where’s the prepublication notice for something this impactful and controversial? Right here: https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/atf-federal-register-notice-objective-factors-for-classifying-stablizing-braces-draft-12-16-20.pdf |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:03:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Winning bigly we are!
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:04:29 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote History |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:04:30 PM EDT
[#18]
Owners will have the option of registering their braced pistol on the NFA but the tax will we waived as long as the gun was in said configuration prior to the publication of the DOJ letter. On the plus side, free SBR registration for the next 48 hours! |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:04:34 PM EDT
[#19]
So, I can register it for free and then take the brace off and put a stock on it?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:04:54 PM EDT
[#20]
After the first felony, all the rest are free.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:05:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Free sbr stamp, that's one upside. My lower is already on the books anyway.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:05:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Big Swamp Barr's legacy. Might be gone but he was as pro gun control as they come.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:05:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/16/atf-to-institute-rulemaking-regarding-stabilizing-braces-and-require-registration-of-currently-owned-braces/ 14-day comment period over the Christmas holidays? That’s horseshit. That’s a petition for review lawsuit in the making right there... |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:05:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Does the waiver of the tax seem cat-fishy?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:06:35 PM EDT
[#25]
No....
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:06:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Will not comply, fuck the ATF.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:07:03 PM EDT
[#27]
Lol we are already a year out for a simple suppressor stamp how long is it gonna be when millions of free sbr stamp applications are turned in?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:07:12 PM EDT
[#28]
They paying for engraving as well
 Or maybe they waive engraving just this time.... fuckers. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:07:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Owners will have the option of registering their braced pistol on the NFA but the tax will we waived as long as the gun was in said configuration prior to the publication of the DOJ letter." Why was that option never offered for those with bumpstocks? And if they can just waive the tax for this why can't they waive the tax for anything else.....say like every semiauto rifle and +10 mag in existence? Probably the idea. Float it, see how it’s accepted. “Easy” self-registration without the ATF having to do anything other than process electronic forms. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:07:51 PM EDT
[#30]
I can print 5 tailhook mod 1 knockoffs at a time. 3D print go brrrrrrrt beeeeep boooop
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:08:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF gonna have 87 million new SBR apps. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:08:33 PM EDT
[#32]
So if I register, fee waived, and it becomes a SBR then I can remove the brace and put on a stock?
Quoted: So, I can register it for free and then take the brace off and put a stock on it? Oops, missed this! |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a petition for review lawsuit in the making right there... It is kind of egregiously ridiculous. I mean even the most coked up trust fund lawyer working at ATF to keep his family happy has to realize that’s going to be a problem in court. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the waiver of the tax seem cat-fishy? |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:09:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I can register it for free and then take the brace off and put a stock on it? PDF page 12 of the as prepublication notice would indicate so. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:09:57 PM EDT
[#37]
What fucking Bullshit. I will not comply. There are millions of these.
Where is the NRA?? Start emailing POTUS and tell him the ATF is violating his EO. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:10:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the idea. Float it, see how it’s accepted. “Easy” self-registration without the ATF having to do anything other than process electronic forms. Trial run for AWs? Wonder what they'd do if nobody did it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:10:34 PM EDT
[#39]
Im tempted to do one lower to have an sbr. But then Im worried of the ass raping when Va passes the Va Safe Act this year.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:08 PM EDT
[#40]
And what are the regulations if you completely remove the brace and have just a buffer tube?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:11 PM EDT
[#41]
tag
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:27 PM EDT
[#42]
People will need to remember that one of the most powerful words in English is simply "No". A good hardy "Fuck You" shortly after never hurt ether.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is that anything in 5.56 and 7.62 will be an SBR Why even take comments. They already know what they are doing. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Something something registration leads to confiscation....
Quick everyone! Free registration! Please sign up and tell us who all has “assault weapons” and we promise we won’t do anything with the info. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:57 PM EDT
[#45]
The law exists as a cudgel to be used by liberals against the opposition. The courts will not protect you.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:11:57 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I can register it for free and then take the brace off and put a stock on it? |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:12:01 PM EDT
[#47]
For the arflawyers, how does this not open up the whole NFA up to a void for vagueness argument?
From LII at Cornell: Under vagueness doctrine, a statute is also void for vagueness if a legislature's delegation of authority to judges and/or administrators is so extensive that it would lead to arbitrary prosecutions. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:12:06 PM EDT
[#48]
Anyone even thinking of registering as an SBR is an idiot
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:12:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Still the hill to die on or did that free tax stamp drop all resistance?
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:13:00 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I register, fee waived, and it becomes a SBR then I can remove the brace and put on a stock? Oops, missed this! Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I register, fee waived, and it becomes a SBR then I can remove the brace and put on a stock? Quoted: So, I can register it for free and then take the brace off and put a stock on it? Oops, missed this! Seems legit. Maybe? |
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