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Posted: 8/31/2004 9:18:53 PM EST
If you can legally:

-Serve in the military
-Vote
-Be thrown in an adult prison
-Drive a car
-Sign a contract
-Buy rifles and shotguns
-Buy cigarettes


why can't you drink or buy a handgun??????????

I am 31 by the way and have met plenty of 40 year olds who shouldn't drink
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:21:01 PM EST
Maybe they should lower the drinking Age?!?! I don't know. What I do know, is that they should Raise the age to 21 for getting a driver's liscense!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:24:00 PM EST
but you have never been a bartender. take it from one who knows--lowering the drinking age would be disastrous. a 21-year-old is at a completely different state of emotional development than an 18-year-old. personally, i agree with the earlier thread about raising the voting age to 21.

that being said, i am very seriously in favor of allowing underage servicepeople to drink on-base.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:31:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By sirensong:
but you have never been a bartender. take it from one who knows--lowering the drinking age would be disastrous. a 21-year-old is at a completely different state of emotional development than an 18-year-old. personally, i agree with the earlier thread about raising the voting age to 21.

that being said, i am very seriously in favor of allowing underage servicepeople to drink on-base.



And I know plenty of 21 year olds who arent responsible enough to drink or vote either. By your logic we should dissallow voting and drinking to any age group that shows any irresponsibility, which would mean no one could vote or drink.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:32:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By chaos4570:
Maybe they should lower the drinking Age?!?! I don't know. What I do know, is that they should Raise the age to 21 for getting a driver's liscense!



So i can own a gun, die for my country, and vote but i cant drive.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:36:39 PM EST
I think the 21 thing should be changed. Most 18-20 year olds drink anyway I did.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:38:40 PM EST
I makes me mad that people will complain about gun legislation taking away our rights but when it comes to the 18-21 demographic they think it is okay to deny us of our rights.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:40:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:

Originally Posted By chaos4570:
Maybe they should lower the drinking Age?!?! I don't know. What I do know, is that they should Raise the age to 21 for getting a driver's liscense!



So i can own a gun, die for my country, and vote but i cant drive.



Some people here arent using logic tonight.

Tell you what chaos, when you personally come to drive my ass all 40k miles I drive every year, I will agree with you
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:41:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 9:42:03 PM EST by KA3B]
From personal experince:
(Back when 18 year olds could come on military bases and drink)

Drunk 18 year old chicks ROCK!!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:42:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
From personal experince:
(Back when 18 year olds could come on military bases and drink)

Drunk 18 year old chicks ROCK!!



+1
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:42:51 PM EST
Well, actually you shouldn't be able to vote either. Young people have not had the time to actually digest any part of life yet except fo the BS you are fed in school.

I know the argument, but as one of the first 18 year olds tobe able to vote. It's called age appropriate behavior. There is a certain level of maturity not commonly found in 18 year olds that is more prevalent in 21 year olds.

Most 21 year olds have lived on their own, most 18 year olds live at home. Most 18 year olds have no idea of responsibility, no idea about living in the real world.

Irrespective of what you may think about I'm able to do this -- ergo I should be able to do that philosophy, on closer examination of the reasons for the distinction between 18 and 21 year olds becomes clear.

In specific cases it may prove false, but in the main it's generally right.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:46:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:47:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By longun45:
Well, actually you shouldn't be able to vote either. Young people have not had the time to actually digest any part of life yet except fo the BS you are fed in school.

I know the argument, but as one of the first 18 year olds tobe able to vote. It's called age appropriate behavior. There is a certain level of maturity not commonly found in 18 year olds that is more prevalent in 21 year olds.

Most 21 year olds have lived on their own, most 18 year olds live at home. Most 18 year olds have no idea of responsibility, no idea about living in the real world.

Irrespective of what you may think about I'm able to do this -- ergo I should be able to do that philosophy, on closer examination of the reasons for the distinction between 18 and 21 year olds becomes clear.

In specific cases it may prove false, but in the main it's generally right.



I am glad you support taking away my rights. Sure there may be 18 year olds who dont have life experience, but where in the constitution does it say that I have to have life experience to vote. The fact is many 18-21 year olds are fighting on the front lines for our rights and to deny them those rights is immoral.

Once you are 18, you are an adult. Period. You should be afforded all of the rights and responsibilities of an adult.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:58:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 10:01:43 PM EST by 82ndAbn]
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 9:59:59 PM EST
Fixed it for ya!


Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Actually, I think the drinking age should be lowered to 17. And all forms of firearms purchases down to 16. Long gun purchases down to the age of 12 with parental consent.
Sex at 14 as long as the guy says he loves you.
And if you've received a HS diploma prior to your 18th birthday - permission to vote.

Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:04:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:05:01 PM EST
They did for a while in just about every state.

It didn't work out. Now if they had used that right to vote...
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:05:22 PM EST
ARe you stupid or something?


If I had my way they wouldn't be allowed to drive, drink or smoke till they were at least 30


SGatr15
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:07:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 10:07:38 PM EST by BLY]
I think many things need to change. What would be the best way to rearrange them? I don't know, never thought too much about it.

If the age to drink was lowered to 18, maybe disallowing them to drink in bars should be outlawed?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:08:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
ARe you stupid or something?


If I had my way they wouldn't be allowed to drive, drink or smoke till they were at least 30


SGatr15



But how would I ger to Gunstock, or drink and post.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:09:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:22:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
ARe you stupid or something?


If I had my way they wouldn't be allowed to drive, drink or smoke till they were at least 30


SGatr15



If I had my way, you wouldn't be allowed to play with dolls after the age of 18.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:25:17 PM EST
When I lived in Texas the drinking age was 19 and there were drive-thru Liquor Stores....

Americans make everything a "Big Deal"... a small glass of wine never killed a kid at the dinner table. Parents need to be the example of moderation and the Parents should be the ones with the decision of letting the child consume alcohol. That includes 30 year old children still residing in their home...hahaha

MT

Our fountain at school spewed Coors Light for the Girls and Michelob for the Boys.
We had Physical Education separated from the Girls... (Except when I was on the football team we got to have PE with the Cheerleaders once a week)
We had a dress code
You could not chew gum inside the school buildings
The Principal had a huge paddle and used it frequently
The cafeteria food was actual FOOD
Disagreements were fought out after school (None if that wussy bring a gun to school)
We drank a little beer instead of smoking 's of Crack

One of the above wasn't true .... can you guess which one???
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:29:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:34:48 PM EST
When I turned 18 (1984) I was allowed to drink in all 50 states. The laws were changed the follwoing year thanks to groups like MADD. Congress mandated that states had to change the drininking age to 21 by 1987, or they would withhold federal money for DOT projects in the states that didn't comply. If you had a birthday prior to a certain date you were grandfathered and could drink. If after the date you had to wait until you turned 21. I had a friend who's birthday was a week after the cut off. He had to wait until he turned 21, three years later to have his first legal beer.

Minimun legal drinking age
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:37:09 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:59:58 PM EST
We used to cross the Mississippi River and go into Illinois to buy and or drink beer. The drinking age there at the time was only 19. However anyone over 17 could usually buy or drink in Granite City without too much trouble. he
However, on some nights, the St. Louis Police Department would try and stop you as you returned on the I-270 bridge. If they thought that you had booze, they would make you open your trunk.

If they found any, chances are that they confiscated it. It went straight into the trunks of the police cruisers. (wonder who had a party that night). On a rare occassion, they would make you open every container and pour it out. We would just return to Illinois and buy some more. It was just the cost of "doing business."

Never got hauled in or given a ticket, though.

In those days, if you had to much to drink and were caught driving, you usually got an escort or a ride home (if you were not rude,etc).


As for today, I think that there ought to be one age, whatever it is, to enjoy all the right of majority.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:51:33 PM EST

Sounds like a Catholic private school to me.


No ... it was a Jr. High School in Amarillo, Texass.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:59:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:

Originally Posted By sirensong:
but you have never been a bartender. take it from one who knows--lowering the drinking age would be disastrous. a 21-year-old is at a completely different state of emotional development than an 18-year-old. personally, i agree with the earlier thread about raising the voting age to 21.

that being said, i am very seriously in favor of allowing underage servicepeople to drink on-base.



And I know plenty of 21 year olds who arent responsible enough to drink or vote either. By your logic we should dissallow voting and drinking to any age group that shows any irresponsibility, which would mean no one could vote or drink.



and i'm telling you that you haven't seen enough of the bar world to know what you're talking about. i've spent more time behind a bar than you've spent in long pants.

in an 18 and up club, 80% of the problems are started by minors. fights, harrasment of the women, binge drinking, DWI, vandalism...you name it. the kids are the problem. are you telling me that allowing these boneheads to drink freely will somehow decrease their idiocy? i think not.

and i'm sure that you're about to tell me that there are exceptions. well, that's the problem. the good ones are exceptions. until that is no longer the case, i stand by my original statement.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:24:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:11:05 PM EST
but then again, we aren't talking about a ban, here. why is the voting age 18 and not 12? after all, you're old enough to have a family at 12.

a while back, i was putting together a BP for a lounge. my venture guys and I would all laugh about no males of <25 being allowed in, but we all knew that this would prevent most all of the problems a club could face. this would be illegal, of course, but that doesn't make it less true.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:19:39 PM EST
18 for beer. 21 for hard liquor. it just makes sense.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:21:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
18 for beer. 21 for hard liquor. it just makes sense.



i would back that at package stores, but it would be a nightmare to administer at bars,
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:21:50 PM EST
i started a topic yesterday on this exact same subject and it was quickly locked. what bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:25:17 PM EST
21 to vote, no age to drink, driver's license after passing aptitude test and obtaining insurance (insurance companies would then determine the driving age). IMHO Planerench out.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:27:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:28:42 PM EST
cause 21 is a magical age where everyone becomes responsible
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:30:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 12:32:39 PM EST by TheRealSundance]
I don't care anymore now that I am older than 21.

But, If you can fight for this country, you should be able to have a beer with your brothers in arms.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:31:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
Funny thread especially from gun rights advocates.

Breaking news, bans don't work and if someone wants something and is willing to break the law to get it, they will have it.

To me it's simple, old enough to serve, old enough to vote, old enough to have a family, then old enough to drink. It's all about responsibility.

It's our jobs as parents to raise our children to be responsible and it is partially our failure if we do not. Yes, I know some 18 year olds I would rather not see drinking and yes I expect more now than in the past but then I see the failure as ours as a society and we as a society should face the consquences or step up to the plate and correct the situation. I don't expect government to do this for us by banning more stuff.

All of this from an old fart too.



Tj




Real libetarians would have no laws concerning legal drinking age. This should be you and your parents responsibility. Why should the state meddle in the lives of the people? Isn't there a clause in the Declaration of Independance about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

For the record I am agreeing with you.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:34:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:14:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:24:16 PM EST
Yes, they should lower the drinking age to 18. Yes, people should be able to buy handguns when they are 18, or 16. If it is unconstitutional, it does not apply to me or any one else. Marbury v Madisan. Vote Libertarian!
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:08:31 PM EST
I received a ticket 10 days before my twenty first birthday for Consumption Prohibited, 50$ fine and that was it. I went to court when I already turned 21, told the judge that I am going to have a beer after the court session was over


Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:25:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
i grew up when the drinking age was 18.

it was no big deal.






EXACTLY.

if it wasn't the "bad" thing to do when you were underaged it would lose MUCH of its appeal!!!!!

think about it.................if you were raised all your life around guns then they're no big deal right? what if you had zero access to any guns and then all of a sudden somebody gave you an AR? about the same difference.

im over 21, i say lower that sonofabitch. and the driving age doesnt make a shit either, its all about experience. i was driving when i was 14yrs old because i live in a small town, so by the time i got my actual license and could go anywhere i wanted, shazam, i knew how to fucking drive....................
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:29:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:
I think the 21 thing should be changed. Most 18-20 year olds drink anyway I did DO.



Ditto
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:34:09 PM EST
18 for Beer & Wine < X Proof.....
21 for liquor.

Learn how to get drunk before jumping into the hard stuff... Kids try to drink a 1/5 of Jack and die every year. If beer were legal, they may just get beer and be happy. Maybe not

When I was 17, 18...etc, I was plenty happy with cold beer...I mean you can't exactly drink alot at that age.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:35:27 PM EST
cold beer is all i need NOW

and ya, i could drink back in the day too
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:40:29 PM EST
I can own an AR-15 but not a handgun.



Please tell me how fucked up that is
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:41:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By TexRdnec:
cold beer is all i need NOW

and ya, i could drink back in the day too



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