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Posted: 10/13/2004 11:56:22 AM EDT
California Lottery Winner Shot To Death by Seattle Police
............ Associated Press SEATTLE (AP) -- A man shot to death by police outside a football stadium has been identified by his family as one of the winners of an $87 million lottery jackpot. Rick Camat, 32, was shot early Sunday as dozens of people fled to avoid a fight outside a bar before a St. Louis Rams-Seattle Seahawks game. Police alleged that Camat was carrying a handgun and fired at a car that was leaving the area. Authorities said he crouched behind another vehicle and pointed a handgun at officers. Relatives insisted Camat only fired into the air to break up the fight and said officers never issued a warning before shooting him. "He shot once in the air to scare people away. He didn't aim it at anyone," said Camat's brother, Brian, who was with him at the time. Officer Debra Brown said the family's account "differs vastly from the statements of dozens of witnesses who were at the scene that evening." The officer who fired at Camat remains on paid administrative leave. An internal police review and a court inquest are planned. Camat was one of 13 Starbucks employees in Los Angeles who shared an $87 million California lottery jackpot in 2000. He recently bought a house in Federal Way, a suburb between Seattle and Tacoma, relatives said. He previously used his share of the lottery winnings to buy a house for his mother and cars for his siblings. |
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I ain't saying the cops necessarily should have shot him, BUT firing a gun in the air to break up a fighting crowd is about the dumbest fucking thing you could do. |
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And the officers went home safe! |
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+1 What a dumbass. |
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Not knowing all the facts make it tough to call but if you were a cop on the scene (mass confusion) heard a shot and saw that gun pointing in your general direction, what would you do?
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So it really is true, If you are rich and die, you are guaranteed full press coverage!
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The police say he shot at someone, the family says he shot into the air. The police better be able to extract the bullet from a near by building or car. If not, more than a few people are going down.
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The guy was pretty stupid shooting the gun in the air. That's gang or spighetti western shit and totally inappropriate in the real world...what if the projectile comes down on someone. People that do shit like this make it tough for law abiding citizens to retain their rights. I don't know if it was worth killing the guy over, but I wasn't there and therefore can't judge and convict the policeman.
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You really shouldn't give an opinion of something of which you have no clue. No one is "going down". Did you catch the part about the family's version differing from the dozens of witnesses? Whether he fired into the air is moot in any case. He was shot after he took cover and pointed a weapon. That results in Darwinian self-selection. Gotta love it. |
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"You can take the trash out of the trailer park, but you can never take the trailer park out of the trash."
...luckily, you CAN just plain take out the trash. If I were a betting man I'd put money on him having puchased the gun after he won the lottery. Lot of winners are said to become accutley aware of just how unsafe the world really is once their name is published next to a bunch of zeros. |
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Pulling out his handgun during a fight he wasn't involved in to any great extent was dumb. Firing into the air was even dumber (What goes up must come down!) What were the police to think, when they see/hear this Darwin Award candidate firing his weapon?
It ain't even close. Good shoot. |
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Did you catch the part where the police spokesperson was the one who stated that the dozens of witnesses had a different story than guys family. They are in the midlle of an investigation and should have said no such thing to the public. No one witness has the same story as the guy next to him, let alone all agree on one event directly after it happened, ever. All that only speaks to the reasoning that the guy fired on someone and shots were retured, then he was killed. If he pointed a weapon and an office or anyone there without cause, the officers were justified. "You really shouldn't give an opinion of something of which you have no clue." Ooookay, Matlock. |
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This was on the local Seattle news last night.
Three witnesses stated that the police tried to get the guy to put the gun down. One guy said that the guy pointed the gun at him and his wife. www.komotv.com/news/qtmovie.asp?ID=33486 After splitting the lotter winnings 13 ways he got about $7 million. Wednesday, October 13, 2004 · Last updated 5:50 a.m. PT California lottery winner shot to death THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SEATTLE -- A man shot to death by police outside a football stadium has been identified by his family as one of the winners of an $87 million lottery jackpot. Rick Camat, 32, was shot early Sunday as dozens of people fled to avoid a fight outside a bar before a St. Louis Rams-Seattle Seahawks game. Police alleged that Camat was carrying a handgun and fired at a car that was leaving the area. Authorities said he crouched behind another vehicle and pointed a handgun at officers. Relatives insisted Camat only fired into the air to break up the fight and said officers never issued a warning before shooting him. "He shot once in the air to scare people away. He didn't aim it at anyone," said Camat's brother, Brian, who was with him at the time. Officer Debra Brown said the family's account "differs vastly from the statements of dozens of witnesses who were at the scene that evening." The officer who fired at Camat remains on paid administrative leave. An internal police review and a court inquest are planned. Camat was one of 13 Starbucks employees in Los Angeles who shared an $87 million California lottery jackpot in 2000. He recently bought a house in Federal Way, a suburb between Seattle and Tacoma, relatives said. He previously used his share of the lottery winnings to buy a house for his mother and cars for his siblings. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Lottery%20Winner%20Shooting |
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Cops 1, dumb ass low life 0
BTW, this wouldn't have even made the press if he hadn't won the lottery. Like winning money somehow makes you respectable. |
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newbushamster, please do not talk about police and law enforcement if you have no idea about what goes on out there. You have never been shot at, or had your life threatened with a gun or knife. It is very easy for you and the rest of the public to judge what happens three days later when the officer only had a fraction of a second. Bottom line......we go home at the end of the night!!!
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I would certainly hope that a police officer would do his/her best to assess the situation before just shooting somebody who had fired a shot in their presence. Lawful self defense does happen, you know...
As for this guy...well, he obviously didn't take cover well enough. :-) |
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+1 |
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If I am standing around at 2 am after the bars let out and some fucking moron starts shooting his gun off I hope the police are there to put an end to the stupid motherfuckers life so I can go home safely that night.
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I also stated, "If he pointed a weapon and an office or anyone there without cause, the officers were justified." Which is what appears to have happened. Police shootings, like any other shooting, should be questioned. Do not lump me in with any other group of mear "civilians". |
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Holy Shit! |
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"Look out! He's got a gun, AND HE'S FIRING IT!" "Calm down Steve, he MIGHT just be firing warning shots, in our direction. You never know..." "Gosh Bob, you're right. I guess I over-reacted." |
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Hello. Have you met tcsd1236? |
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Do not criticise the police. Civilians simply do not know what they are talking about.
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You're going to fit in here just fine. As far as the "It is very easy for you and the rest of the public to judge what happens three days later when the officer only had a fraction of a second", people judge my actions as a doctor all the time after the fact. Just because I may have had a fraction of a second to make a decision doesn't excuse a wrong decision. There were plenty of unbiased ie. non-family witnesses other than the police so a general true sequence of events will be fleshed out. |
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Who the hell you callin' a civilian?!?! |
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I'd be pissed that bastard won that much money too!
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Hey --- that's my cousin, who is the Atty. handling his estate ???
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It's obvious that the guy was firing his gun into the air to disperse the crowd. The police should have fired a warning shot into the air, then tazered him into compliance, if necessary.... I mean the guy was a LOTTERY WINNER, for God's sake!
HEADS ARE GONNA ROLL!!!! |
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I recently heard that the goberment was going to start cracking down on millionaires.
1. So does this mean he was taxed at 35% on his winnings. 2. There of course is the 50% Death Tax (Unless he had a Family Trust setup) 3. He leaves 15% for his family and friends to remember him and to file lawsuits on the city. |
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When's the estate sale? LOL
Definitely an argument for natural selection at work... |
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WTF is wrong with people? I guess they won't even be happy when police departments can't return fire until the officer has been shot twice. Fuck him!
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Not here in Seattle he's not, just ask Carl Mack or Leslie Braxton about cops who shoot minorities.
Brother claims he was shot in the back while he was running away. (fleeing felon?) They'd been out to the bars. You can't carry a pistol into a bar in Washington, even if you have a CPL. I like how some articles spin this into "before a St. Louis Rams-Seattle Seahawks game. " Lets assume this happened when the bars closed for the night, calling the 2am time frame "before a St. Louis Rams-Seattle Seahawks game. " that doesn't start for 11 hours is damn dishonest. They make it sound like it happened after the church going goody too-shoes dead guy had just finished having a wonderal brinch buffet instead of being out all night boozing it up.
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Shooting into the air to disperse a crowd? Yeah, pretty stupid and ineffective, especially around cops!
Let's see, the last time I recall someone who tried to disperse a crowd by firing in the air was those two English corporals back in '88 who drove into an IRA funeral in Belfast. Uh, yeah, they both ended up dead too. |
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Way I see it is that the ex-ghetto asshole was showing his true colors and died because of it. Too bad. |
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I just hope the dumbshit was smart enought to put me into his will.
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+1 In FL , the law allows a CWL holder to involve him/herself in a situation "to stop a forcible felony." The instructor in the course (a former police officer) said to forget that. "You are not a cop!" I agree. If it's not family or myself, I truly have no right to present force. ANd, in a violent situation, a police officer sees you with a gun - REALLY DUMB! Keep it put away, no shooting, walk the other way from trouble. (And, I may ahve to learn AZ law in a few months) |
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