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Posted: 1/12/2015 11:12:19 PM EST
The Washington Post

SAN YSIDRO, Calif. — Mexican traffickers are sending a flood of cheap heroin and methamphetamine across the U.S. border, the latest drug seizure statistics show, in a new sign that America’s marijuana decriminalization trend is upending the North American narcotics trade.

The amount of cannabis seized by U.S. federal, state and local officers along the boundary with Mexico has fallen 37?percent since 2011, a period during which American marijuana consumers have increasingly turned to the more potent, higher-grade domestic varieties cultivated under legal and quasi-legal protections in more than two dozen U.S. states.

Made-in-the-USA marijuana is quickly displacing the cheap, seedy, hard-packed version harvested by the bushel in Mexico’s Sierra Madre mountains. That has prompted Mexican drug farmers to plant more opium poppies, and the sticky brown and black “tar” heroin they produce is channeled by traffickers into the U.S. communities hit hardest by prescription painkiller abuse, off­ering addicts a $10 alternative to $80-a-pill oxycodone.

“Legalization of marijuana for recreational use has given U.S. consumers access to high-quality marijuana, with genetically improved strains, grown in greenhouses,” said Raul Benitez-Manaut, a drug-war expert at Mexico’s National Autonomous University. “That’s why the Mexican cartels are switching to heroin and meth.”
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Someone here brought this up a while ago. Very interesting stuff.

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Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:16:03 PM EST
Time to buy more trench coat pockets!
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:16:30 PM EST
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:16:35 PM EST
As a former dope prosecutor I cannot believe these lies for one second!!! Lies I tell you!!!!
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:17:23 PM EST
It's almost as if drug prohibition is working the same way as alcohol prohibition.
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Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:17:28 PM EST
They started with meth after states/feds passed pseudoephedrine laws. Meth has been cheaper and much purer for quite awhile now.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:17:32 PM EST
Obviously the answer would be to make heroin and meth illegal.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:18:33 PM EST
lulz
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:19:10 PM EST
Mexicans are actually starting to smuggle American weed into Mexico because of the superior quality.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:20:23 PM EST



First, cheap gas and now cheap Heroin!!!

That's awesome.


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First, cheap gas and now cheap Heroin!!!

That's awesome.


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The salad days of smack are upon us.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC
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I read a lot of otc opiate addicts are jumping to heroin, cheaper than buying black market pain pills.
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?
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Yep.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:23:41 PM EST
Unpossible. GD told me that legalizing marijuana would have no effect on the cartels.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC just about every state where its still illegal.
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It's almost comical how people refuse to see the fallacy in drug bans.

Almost.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:34:45 PM EST
LOL at Mexico, we grow better pot and have been for years. We'll just make better meth and heroin too. USA! USA! USA!
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We better make marijuana extra illegal so we can increase the cartel profit margins.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:41:30 PM EST
Legalize everything.
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
Legalize everything.
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?
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Yes, and we win the war on drugs
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
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We were promised that with pot legalization.
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We need to stop trying to legislate vices. Criminal law should worry about behavior that has a victim.

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Originally Posted By ma96782:
Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find a reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark
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The reason MJ should be legal is the same reason other drugs should be legal:

It isn't the government's job to outlaw the possession or use of drugs.

Those are big boy decisions that, in a free country, we leave up to adults to make for themselves.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:48:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
Legalize everything.
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Yes.
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Originally Posted By tcrpe:


We were promised that with pot legalization.
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?


We were promised that with pot legalization.


Might be a few less "isolated incidents" if they actually did legalize it.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



The reason MJ should be legal is the same reason other drugs should be legal:

It isn't the government's job to outlaw the possession or use of drugs.

Those are big boy decisions that, in a free country, we leave up to adults to make for themselves.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By ma96782:
Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find a reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark



The reason MJ should be legal is the same reason other drugs should be legal:

It isn't the government's job to outlaw the possession or use of drugs.

Those are big boy decisions that, in a free country, we leave up to adults to make for themselves.


Freedom is scary, so I'm looking to trade some of it away for a feeling of security. [/half of arfcom]

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Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC
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I am certain all the pot in North and South Dakota is coming from Colorado.
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Originally Posted By FMJshooter:



I read a lot of otc opiate addicts are jumping to heroin, cheaper than buying black market pain pills.
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Originally Posted By FMJshooter:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC



I read a lot of otc opiate addicts are jumping to heroin, cheaper than buying black market pain pills.


Correct
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC
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Heroin is big because Oxy is now made so you can't snort it or cook it for injection.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:53:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tcrpe:


We were promised that with pot legalization.
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Originally Posted By tcrpe:
Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?


We were promised that with pot legalization.


No you weren't.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 11:54:37 PM EST
Capitalism. How does It work?

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I guess SW NH/Vermont has a huge heroin problem
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I disagree. Heroin is all over high schools here, like marijuana was decades ago. There has been a basic shift in who uses it, or a broadening
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC


Heroin is big because Oxy is now made so you can't snort it or cook it for injection.
I disagree. Heroin is all over high schools here, like marijuana was decades ago. There has been a basic shift in who uses it, or a broadening


It's the cheapest option available for a number of reasons, most of them involving the government. Cracking down on pill mills, changes in how the pills are made, probably other stuff too.

Cheaper than beer.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I disagree. Heroin is all over high schools here, like marijuana was decades ago. There has been a basic shift in who uses it, or a broadening
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC


Heroin is big because Oxy is now made so you can't snort it or cook it for injection.
I disagree. Heroin is all over high schools here, like marijuana was decades ago. There has been a basic shift in who uses it, or a broadening


We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.
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Originally Posted By wildturkey09:
We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.
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That's absurd.
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Freedom is scary, so I'm looking to trade some of it away for a feeling of security. [/half of arfcom]

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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By ma96782:
Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find a reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark



The reason MJ should be legal is the same reason other drugs should be legal:

It isn't the government's job to outlaw the possession or use of drugs.

Those are big boy decisions that, in a free country, we leave up to adults to make for themselves.


Freedom is scary, so I'm looking to trade some of it away for a feeling of security. [/half of arfcom]



Take away the "Govt Handouts" to all the families (and kids)............and I'll be all for LEAGALIZATION and FREE CHOICE of whatever drugs one wants.

Til then.........I want my tax money spent on curbing the stupidness.

Aloha, Mark

PS..... It's already bad, that the Govt pays alcoholics SSDI money for being an alcoholic. What's the next logical step? Money for Drug Abusers?
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Originally Posted By wildturkey09:


We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
There has been a huge, huge increase in herione use, I think that was unrelated. meth is pretty easy to cook up yourself if you are about avoiding one person buying too much cold medicine over a short time period, so I guess that's a surprise.

I suspect at some point the Feds are going to swoop in on. A bunch of the Colorado pot places after they find out that tons of that pot is going to NYC


Heroin is big because Oxy is now made so you can't snort it or cook it for injection.
I disagree. Heroin is all over high schools here, like marijuana was decades ago. There has been a basic shift in who uses it, or a broadening


We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.



Is that really an argument people make? That if you legalize marijuana, more people will try heroin?
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Originally Posted By 221B:
Time to buy more trench coat pockets!
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Dope Wars has been on every version of TI 80 series calculators I have owned. It's on my TI84 buried in a box somewhere.
Link Posted: 1/13/2015 12:03:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By tcrpe:


We were promised that with pot legalization.
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Originally Posted By tcrpe:
Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
So if we legalize heroin and meth the border violence will end?


We were promised that with pot legalization.


Bullshit.



The only promise that was made was that legalizing pot would take that form of revenue away from the drug cartels and once it became a legitimate business.

Everyone knows that the main source of drug revenue coming from South of the borderr is coke, meth, heroin, coming North and other drugs, with cash and weapons flowing South with human trafficking in between.

Taking out the smallest source of revenue, with the largest foot print in bulk wasn't going to effect the violence one bit.


You're floating a turd of a bullshit argument, that is so completely ludicrous it barely deserves acknowledgement.
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That's absurd.
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We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.


That's absurd.


Mindset of the drug warriors is absolutely absurd.
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark
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Cite please
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Realistically though, is someone who wasn't planning on shooting heroin going to go buy a bag now because it's 15% cheaper?

"Yeah bro, I'd really like to shoot some dope with you, but I think I'll wait until the market experiences a correction."
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Originally Posted By wildturkey09:


Mindset of the drug warriors is absolutely absurd.
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Originally Posted By wildturkey09:
We just had a 3 million dollar heroin bust in North Dakota, the biggest on record for us. People were saying we need to keep pot illegal so people dont do heroin.


That's absurd.


Mindset of the drug warriors is absolutely absurd.


Nothing but job protection at this point.
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Unpossible. GD told me that legalizing marijuana would have no effect on the cartels.
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Actually, a number of posters thought MJ legalization would put the cartels out of business.
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Originally Posted By ma96782:


Take away the "Govt Handouts" to all the families (and kids)............and I'll be all for LEAGALIZATION and FREE CHOICE of whatever drugs one wants.

Til then.........I want my tax money spent on curbing the stupidness.

Aloha, Mark
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By ma96782:
Not to worry.............

Americans are looking for "harder drugs" now that MJ is legal most everywhere. And, using the same arguments...........Americans will find a reasons to legalize them too.

Aloha, Mark



The reason MJ should be legal is the same reason other drugs should be legal:

It isn't the government's job to outlaw the possession or use of drugs.

Those are big boy decisions that, in a free country, we leave up to adults to make for themselves.


Freedom is scary, so I'm looking to trade some of it away for a feeling of security. [/half of arfcom]



Take away the "Govt Handouts" to all the families (and kids)............and I'll be all for LEAGALIZATION and FREE CHOICE of whatever drugs one wants.

Til then.........I want my tax money spent on curbing the stupidness.

Aloha, Mark


So you want government to spend less of your money on welfare but you want it to keep spending your money on the WoD?

Personally, I'd like to see it stop spending money on both of those things.
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