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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:38:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 2:19:39 PM EST by DK-Prof]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/ap_on_el_ge/us_election_rdp

Read the red part. This healthcare disaster, having to wait until the year of midterm elections. Cut your arm off now, or your head off later? HAHA Demotards.


WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's political clout was on the line Tuesday as Virginia and New Jersey chose governors in contests that could serve as warning signs for Democrats about the public's mood heading into an important midterm election year.

Elsewhere, Maine voters weighed in on same-sex marriage in a closely watched initiative, and New York and California picked congressmen for two vacant seats. A slew of cities selected mayors, and Ohio voted on allowing casinos.

One year after Obama won the White House in an electoral landslide and Democrats expanded their majorities in Congress, much of the focus was on Virginia and New Jersey, where Democratic control was in danger despite hefty campaigning by Obama himself.

The outcomes were sure to feed discussion about the state of the electorate, the status of the diverse coalition that sent Obama to the White House and the limits of the president's influence on the party's base of support — as well as on moderate lawmakers he needs to advance his legislative priorities.

As if on cue, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid indicated Tuesday that lawmakers may not complete health care legislation this year, missing Obama's deadline on his signature issue and pushing debate into a congressional election year.

Democratic victories in both Virginia and New Jersey in 2005 preceded big Democratic years nationally in 2006 and 2008.

Tuesday's impact on Obama's standing and on the 2010 elections can easily be overstated. Voters are often focused on local issues and local personalities. Indeed, most people in Virginia and New Jersey, say they're not casting ballots because of their feelings about the president.

Yet, national issues, like the recession, were clearly a factor, with voter attitudes shaped to some degree by how people feel about the state of their nation — and their place in it.

It was also difficult to separate Obama from the outcomes after he devoted a significant chunk of time working to persuade voters to elect Democrat R. Creigh Deeds over Republican Bob McDonnell in Virginia and re-elect Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine of New Jersey, who was in a three-way race with Republican Chris Christie and independent Chris Daggett.

While much attention was focused on those races, discussions on Twitter emphasized the same-sex union initiative in Maine, with the phrases "VoteNoOn1" and "Maine" landing in the site's top trending topics. The measure would repeal a bill passed by the Legislature allowing same-sex marriages.

The president campaigned in person for both Deeds and Corzine and was featured in their advertisements. He characterized the two as necessary allies in the White House's effort to advance his plans. And he deployed his political campaign arm, Organizing for America, in an effort to ensure the swarms of party loyalists and new voters he attracted in 2008 turned out.

He also spent energy trying to ensure the Democrats would pick up the GOP-held vacant 23rd Congressional District seat in New York, where Democrat Bill Owens faced conservative Doug Hoffman.

That's the race that highlighted fissures in the Republican Party between conservatives and moderates, illustrating problems the GOP could have in capitalizing on any discontent with Obama and Democrats that Tuesday's results may show.

With so much involvement in so few races, Obama raised the stakes of a low-enthusiasm off-year election season.

Thus, any Democratic losses would be a blot on Obama's political standing to some degree and would signal trouble ahead as he seeks to achieve his policy goals, protect Democratic majorities in Congress and expand his party's grip on governors' seats next fall.

Obama needs all the lawmakers he can get to pass his legislative priorities of health care and climate change, but defeats Tuesday could make it much harder for him to persuade moderate Democrats from right-leaning states and conservative districts, who are hearing from voters worried about his expansion of government at a time of rising deficits, to get on board.

Defeats also could tease out upcoming problems for Democrats, particularly in moderate districts and in swing states like Ohio, Colorado and Nevada, as they defend their turf next fall. In 2010, most governors, a third of the Senate and all members in the House will be on ballots.

Republican victories in one or more races could energize a GOP that's lost back-to-back national elections, just as it seeks to raise money and recruit candidates to prepare for next year. Triumphs, particularly in the open-seat contest in Virginia, could provide a model for how to win elections in a time of recession and war.

New Jersey is a traditional Democratic-leaning state with an incumbent Democratic governor.

But Virginia is a new swing state and has trended Democratic in recent elections after being reliably Republican in national races for many years. It's home to a slew of northern bellwether counties filled with independents who carried Obama to victory last fall, the first Democrat to win the state in a White House race since 1964. Rapidly growing counties like Loudoun and Prince William, exurban areas outside Washington, D.C., swung toward Democrats in the 2005 governor's race, previewing an Obama win three years later.

A loss in Virginia could suggest that the diverse coalition that Obama cobbled together last year in Virginia and elsewhere — blacks, Hispanics, young people, independents and Republican crossovers — was a one-election phenomenon that didn't transfer to the Democratic Party when Obama wasn't on the ballot.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:46:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 1:02:00 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.



Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:47:41 PM EST
They wanted to avoid all the "Astro-Turf" voting their asses out by getting Health Care passed this year. It will be sweet if the are still working on it going into the elections, they will be screwed!
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:49:03 PM EST

boo hoo harry

but i take anything he says with a grain of salt

shit next week he could be saying that their gonna pass it


Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:51:55 PM EST
IN before the topic change!
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:55:22 PM EST
They are so clueless. Maybe it's better that way.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:00:31 PM EST
It's funny, because a few people I work with still like to blame Bush for everything.

It pisses them off that they thought Bush could do whatever he wants, so Obama must have the same power...

And they're being reminded that POTUS can't do too much without Congress, and they're infuriated.


Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:01:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 1:01:55 PM EST by Mal_means_bad]
I think the earliest primaries are in Illinois, first week of February.



We're Democrats are running out of time!

bleep
bleep
bleep
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:05:08 PM EST
Oh please for once let them fuck themselves over instead of us.

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Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:06:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.






Personally, I blame his teleprompter.


Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:12:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By sixnine:
Oh please for once let them fuck themselves over instead of us.

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Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:15:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Hello, Nobel Peace Prize!!!

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:17:26 PM EST
I think Democrats are going to be moving to damage control mode soon.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:26:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Good one.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:28:03 PM EST
One thing- those of us opposing should NOT become complacent. Keep up the pressure on Congress.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:32:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 1:34:13 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Hello, Nobel Peace Prize!!!


Even that was won by Obama using an IOU.

Not for anything he did - but for what he promised he would do.

The Nobel Committee fell hook, line and sinker for yet another mirage created from Obama's many unfulfilled promises - just like the millions of now-unemployed Obama voters who fell for his endless string of promises during the campaign.



Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:34:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Hello, Nobel Peace Prize!!!


Even that was won by Obama using an IOU.

The Nobel Committee fell hook, line and sinker for yet another mirage created from Obama's many unfulfilled promises - just like the millions of now-unemployed Obama voters who fell for his endless string of promises during the campaign.




He picked out a dog for his kids.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:34:32 PM EST
Man, I hope the elections today go all GOP, will put the fear into all the Dems up for re-election in 2010.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:34:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Hello, Nobel Peace Prize!!!


Even that was won by Obama using an IOU.

The Nobel Committee fell hook, line and sinker for yet another mirage created from Obama's many unfulfilled promises - just like the millions of now-unemployed Obama voters who fell for his endless string of promises during the campaign.




He picked out a dog for his kids.

And broke yet another campaign promise in the process.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:37:01 PM EST
This is why I was happy to see the House bill released first, and over-reach as badly as I could have imagined.

Same dynamic that kept cap/trade from coming to a vote in the Senate.

Keep up the good work, Pelosi
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:48:41 PM EST
When Christie, Hoffman and McDonnell win, Pelosi will not be phased one bit. Dingy Harry (Reid) will not slow down.

They will easily dismiss this as irrelevant.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:53:29 PM EST
That's the same mindset that gets Pelosi to brings bills to a vote without making sure she actually has enough to pass.

I'm damned glad that she is the Speaker, instead of someone more competent.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:54:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Obama has ZERO successes to point to in his first year - only a once-stable Afghan campaign that he promised to support now veering off track like one of Obama's many T-shots, an unemployment rate that is 2.5% higher than he promised it would go if we passed his stimulus, a deficit that is double that of last year, a $12 trillion debt and nothing but red ink as far as the eye can see into the future and a string of "rescued" companies we poured billions of taxpayer money into and yet who still went bankrupt in his wake.





Hello, Nobel Peace Prize!!!


Even that was won by Obama using an IOU.

The Nobel Committee fell hook, line and sinker for yet another mirage created from Obama's many unfulfilled promises - just like the millions of now-unemployed Obama voters who fell for his endless string of promises during the campaign.




He picked out a dog for his kids.

And broke yet another campaign promise in the process.






and it took 6 mo for him to "make a decision"
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 5:02:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
When Christie, Hoffman and McDonnell win, Pelosi will not be phased one bit. Dingy Harry (Reid) will not slow down.

They will easily dismiss this as irrelevant.



Cornered animals do crazy things. There is nothing more dangerous than a Democrat in power with nothing left to lose.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:26:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By AtomicPunk09:
One thing- those of us opposing should NOT become complacent. Keep up the pressure on Congress.


Except for the bare handful who have been actively opposing anti-American bullshit and actively supporting pro-American legislation (to get us back where we're supposed to be), NO INCUMBENTS.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. If you're part of the problem, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:28:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By deerfieldAR:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
When Christie, Hoffman and McDonnell win, Pelosi will not be phased one bit. Dingy Harry (Reid) will not slow down.

They will easily dismiss this as irrelevant.



Cornered animals do crazy things. There is nothing more dangerous than a Democrat in power with nothing left to lose.

2010.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:29:19 PM EST
Pwned.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:33:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:


He picked out a dog for his kids.

And that dog hasn't been seen or heard about ever since.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:36:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fearlessleader01:
I think Democrats are going to be moving to damage control mode soon.

That low rumble you're hearing right now are all the moderate red-state Congressional Democrats running as fast and as far as they can from Obama.

These results –– especially in Virginia –– must be causing two-faced "moderates" like Webb and Tester to crap their pants like scared three year-olds.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:40:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By deerfieldAR:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
When Christie, Hoffman and McDonnell win, Pelosi will not be phased one bit. Dingy Harry (Reid) will not slow down.

They will easily dismiss this as irrelevant.



Cornered animals do crazy things. There is nothing more dangerous than a Democrat in power with nothing left to lose.


Knowing those bastards, if they thought they were all going to get voted out of office in the next election, they'd use every remaining moment in power to railroad through as much bullshit socialism as they could while they had the chance, just to fuck us over and get what they want anyway.

Then we replace them with Republicans who declare their outrage for what the Democrats have done and promise to do something about it... and then spend the entire time they're in power sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.

Both parties are part of the problem. Fuck the Democrats completely, and fuck the Republicans (half of whom are Democrats with an R after their name, and half of whom are just lazy cowards afraid to challenge the status quo.) too. The Libertarians may attract a lot of lunatics, but dang it, most of those lunatics at least have their hearts in the right place. Like Ron Paul. He has all the right ideals as far as the Constitution goes, but beyond that he's nuckin' futs. He has no idea how to accomplish any of the shit he believes in, and he refuses to support legislation that would improve our country unless it goes all the way. Ron, you idiot, you're not going to win with all-or-nothing proposals! Fix what you can as much as you can, and do it in baby-steps! The leftists and authoritarians didn't fuck over the country all at once, it took them a long-ass time to do it. You can't sit around on your ass refusing to vote for legislation because it doesn't immediately, 100% revert us back to the way we're supposed to be, you vote for the shit that gets us 5% of the way there and keep voting for that shit until it adds up to 100%!

Ron Paul would be a HORRIBLE president, but an EXCELLENT supreme court justice. He'd always vote the right way on Constitutional matters or matters of personal freedom. At the very least, he'd cockblock the leftists every chance he got.

I'd go for the Constitutionalists, but I think the only people who've even heard of them are their membership and ten people who randomly stumbled across their website.

So fuck it. Get rid of all incumbents who aren't actively working for a better America instead of sitting on their asses or actively subverting America. That should be at least 90% of all senators, congressmen, and the executive branch. Then vote for individual guys who actively support the Constitution and American ideals: Republicans (who aren't RINO's or ass-sitters), Libertarians, or Constitutionalists. Whoever runs for that spot and has a history of being a patriot and lover of the Constitution. Vote them into office, and make it clear that they're going to be one-term wonders (like Obama) if they aren't actively getting rid of all the shit that has piled up over the last century.

We need to be doing this on a state AND federal level.

Shit, why aren't we organizing so we can conquer states county by county and turn them all conservative/libertarian? Let's see some REAL grassroots shit going on here. Let's take this fucking country back with the ballot box before we're forced to take it back with the cartridge box.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:47:10 PM EST
LOL Demotards!
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