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Posted: 10/3/2011 9:23:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 10:26:10 AM EST by mkboog]
Ok so I have been in the IT industry now for about 12 years. Currently I am an IT Manager for a university and I am looking to get the hell out of my current job. In order to help me with this task I have decided that I am going to begin working on some additional certification, starting with Microsoft. (Already have a BS in IT and MBA, so have the college education side of things taken care of.)

So I have decided that I would start with the Windows Server 2008 AD (70-640) exam. What I am wanting to find out is what recommendations do you all have for the best source of study material and labs for this exam? After spending some time on Google, I still have not found a highly recommended source with more then one or two endorsements.

I appreciate any advice or suggestions you may have.

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:19:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 10:23:08 AM EST by mkboog]
Alright. I will sweeten the pot. If I pass the test utilizing the study material and labs you suggest, I will buy and have shipped to you a box of .223 20count of your choice. (Price for ammo and shipping can not total more then $15.) If more then one person suggests the same materials and I pass, the person who first suggested it will get the ammo.



ETA: You must be specific. Saying, "Use Microsoft books", is not specific.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:34:35 AM EST
If you were looking for a Red Hat certification I might be able to help. Not so much with M$.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:40:37 AM EST
I dont even look at certs most of the time when hiring , almost nothing is by the book in the real IT world. I want hands on experience more than anything , time behind the wheel dealing with unexpected crazy shit and see how many rabbits you can pull out of your IT hat.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:45:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:47:17 AM EST
Certifications mean you are good at taking certification tests.

You either know what you are doing or you don't.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:50:48 AM EST
For 70-680 my class used Sybex textbooks, same for Net+. It comes with CD with flashcards, and test engine and stuff. They also had a flashcard app for the IPhone which was cool.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:01:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:02:01 AM EST by mkboog]
I am very aware that a certification is just studying a book and taking a test. Right now San Antonio has a huge need for various IT positions. The problem is that since much of the rest of the country is in the toilet job wise, to even get pass HR anymore, they are requiring certs. As has been said by someone already, I also hire people based on what they can do, not just the certs they have. However, not every company is that way, or every HR guy\gal that is responsible at time for narrowing down the applicants. So please keep the "Certs are a waste of time" argument out of the discussion.

Some times you need a degree and experience, sometimes you need certs and experience, and at times you need all of the above. There are other factors, but since I do not have a vagina, big boobs, nor am I a female, those do not count. Not a minority either.

I am a big pasty white guy with a wife and 3 kids. So I need every advantage I can get. Now that being said, back to the topic.

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:04:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:06:32 AM EST by AR15Ninja]
Originally Posted By Tekpc007:
I dont even look at certs most of the time when hiring , almost nothing is by the book in the real IT world. I want hands on experience more than anything , time behind the wheel dealing with unexpected crazy shit and see how many rabbits you can pull out of your IT hat.



I would agree, but that list of certs is nice when you are trying to get hired by someone who does want to see certs. It simply shows you are good and studying a problem and finding the answer, even if it is not real world. If I had to chose between someone with experience and certs and someone with experience only, I'm gunna go with the guy that has both. It's a rough job market out there right now.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:07:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:08:13 AM EST by stangboy555]

Originally Posted By mkboog:
I am very aware that a certification is just studying a book and taking a test. Right now San Antonio has a huge need for various IT positions. The problem is that since much of the rest of the country is in the toilet job wise, to even get pass HR anymore, they are requiring certs. As has been said by someone already, I also hire people based on what they can do, not just the certs they have. However, not every company is that way, or every HR guy\gal that is responsible at time for narrowing down the applicants. So please keep the "Certs are a waste of time" argument out of the discussion.

Some times you need a degree and experience, sometimes you need certs and experience, and at times you need all of the above. There are other factors, but since I do not have a vagina, big boobs, nor am I a female, those do not count. Not a minority either.

I am a big pasty white guy with a wife and 3 kids. So I need every advantage I can get. Now that being said, back to the topic.


I've always been a big fan of the Sybex books, they really helped me out in the beginning.

http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470343443,miniSiteCd-SYBEX.html

They also come with electronic flash cards and practice exams.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:27:40 AM EST
I studied the Exam Cram books for all of my multiple MCSE's. Haven't bothered with 2k8 because I just stopped caring. I imagine they are still just as good. The Sybex books are also good. The "Mastering Windows xxx" are normally very good resources books as well.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:35:57 AM EST
You want to pass a cert test go to pass4sure.com.

If you are able to pass the practice tests you should pass the real test.

I purchased one of their MS tests, reviewed it for 3 days and went to take the test. I completed a 60 minute test in 15 minutes and didn't miss a question.

YMMV
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:43:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:46:12 AM EST by david_g17]
Transcender is supposed to be good.

I think they got sued once for using the exact questions from the tests.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:45:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Certifications mean you are good at taking certification tests.

You either know what you are doing or you don't.


I've gotten 6 certifications. PHP, Linux, MySQL, UML, SQL Server 2008, and A+. I've learned new and valuable stuff in all of them (except the A+).
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:48:22 AM EST
I did the four or five tests for the MCDBA certification several years ago. I bought the official books, memorized a lot of stuff, and did practice tests online. I probably overprepped but at least I passed each test on the first go.

I agree with people on this thread that the certifications don't prove much, but I could see it helping in getting a job. If the company wants to be a Microsoft Partner they need certain kinds of certifications on staff, even if those people will never really work on Microsoft-centric projects. So if the company is lacking some certification they can either have one of their existing people waste a lot of time on it rather than doing billable work, or they can make sure that the next guy they hire already has it.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:48:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By chaas67:
You want to pass a cert test go to pass4sure.com.

If you are able to pass the practice tests you should pass the real test.

I purchased one of their MS tests, reviewed it for 3 days and went to take the test. I completed a 60 minute test in 15 minutes and didn't miss a question.

YMMV


I dont even see any MS tests on that site.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:57:32 AM EST
Test king and Cert killer were the ones of choice when I went for my MCSE 2000. I didn't upgrade to 2003 because I was afraid of the 2 tests and I was too far from system administration to be knowledgable enough on the system. Now I'm required to get one for Window 7 or Server 2008. I really hate the IT certification tracks because you need to continually pursue updating them (every 3 years or so) and I'm in an IT backwater that the certs won't help.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 12:05:22 PM EST
I wholeheartedly recommend Mark Minasi's books on the subject. He has an amazing (and often hilarious) writing style that makes the information much more digestable than other reference books.

Although he doesn't appear to have a blanked Windows Server 2008 book, he did co-author a book for the MCITP Network Foundations exam. It can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Windows-Server-Networking-Foundations/dp/0470249846/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 12:08:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:17:16 PM EST by chaas67]
Originally Posted By KN:
Originally Posted By chaas67:
You want to pass a cert test go to pass4sure.com.

If you are able to pass the practice tests you should pass the real test.

I purchased one of their MS tests, reviewed it for 3 days and went to take the test. I completed a 60 minute test in 15 minutes and didn't miss a question.

YMMV


I dont even see any MS tests on that site.



Crap, sorry about that. Let me just say that the tests were identical, down to the wording. They must have gotten their hands slapped by MS..


ETA - found this link - it sure looks like the same company and you can download a Demo of a test - if you've taken a MS test recently, download a demo of that test and see how it compares to the actual..

http://www.mypass4sure.info/70-640-dumps.html

It appears that they were sued by MS a 'couple' years ago and so they changed the name but I'm not sure if the product has changed as well.

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 12:11:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 12:42:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:46:06 PM EST by mkboog]
Originally Posted By brass:
I'd like to point out that M$ Certs and A+ certs are somewhat close to junk.

AIX, HP-UX, Cisco, and RedHat, MySQL, and Oracle Certs are a different WORLD from M$/x+ Certs. These are written to make a person work out problems, rather than parrot test answers, unless you memorized all the questions and answers. Even then, the Cisco CCIE is something that only somebody with talent can put on their resume.

I've never seen somebody Cisco certified that was a book learner, as it should be, since BGP is the most evil and unforgiving bitch an IT person will ever run into.


You pointed it out and yet it has already been addressed. I really don't give a shit one way or another what your opinion is about MS certs or CompTia. If an employer says "You need to have this before we will hire you", then if you want the job you get it. So then in that case it is worth that job. And if that job pays 35K more then what I am making now then it is worth $35K.

Learn to read and you will be amazed how it changes your life.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 1:04:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 1:05:47 PM EST by brass]
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 5:57:08 PM EST
Guess I will take a look at Sybex and see what they have to offer.
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