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Posted: 4/21/2009 2:35:38 PM EDT
What is everyone carrying in 5.56

I Need to find a new duty round. We are carrying 193. We will be shooting it out of a 16" Bushy Patrolman's carbine
thanks for any input....
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 2:58:45 PM EDT
Hordnady TAP 55 gr
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 3:01:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Hordnady TAP 55 gr


Same here.....but I wish we were using something a little heavier.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 3:04:06 PM EDT
We use the TAP 75gr
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 3:10:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2009 5:56:55 PM EDT by Gamma762]
What's your operating environment?

Federal 62gr bonded soft points is good for general use and especially good against vehicles and the like.

For entry use the Hornady TAP 75gr is better for good terminal performance while minimizing penetration.  Some rifles (especially shorter barrels) with 1:9 twist have trouble with this round, particularly in cold weather or at longer range.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 3:34:55 PM EDT
We use TAP 55 gr. but will be switching to the 75 gr. this next budget.

You are using a Bushmaster so I take it that you have a 1/9 barrel. Some 1/9 barrels run the 75 gr. just fine but others do not. You will know if your gun likes it if it shoots accuratly with the 75 gr. If you want to go with TAP then get a box of the 75 gr. and go out and shoot it and see how it groups for you. If your groups look like crap compaired to what you are using now then I recommend the 60 gr. TAP. Your 1/9 should love the 60 gr.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 3:55:11 PM EDT
TAP 55 Grain and Federal XM-193.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 4:02:50 PM EDT
55gr Federal Tactical bonded (i think they are the bonded ones) soft point. Its dept mandated, if it was up to me I would likely go with one of the TAP rounds.

J-
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 4:38:54 PM EDT
Federal 55 and 62gr bonded and 75gr Hornady match bthp.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 4:45:37 PM EDT
Federal Tactical bonded 62 gr  (LE223T3)
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 6:22:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2009 6:28:53 PM EDT by 13gunbunny]
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
We use the TAP 75gr


This is what I was looking at... I figure it would offer some good performance against intermediate barriers

I work in the rural northeast. Mostly wooded , but we do have some agricultural areas...

ETA.. the rifles are just drawn from the safe before shift and not assigned and zeroed to one specific officer. They are iron sighted.

I could potentially see barricaded subject in a home or vehicle, perhaps a dismounted wooded engagement.
I cant see myself attempting, and certainly not teaching a 150 -200 rd shot.....
100 yds is the max distance for qual. and that is more to show them what they are or ARE NOT capable of with the carbine.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 7:39:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 7:42:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
We use the TAP 75gr


This...


I'm not a LEO, but my instructor at Blackwater swears by the stuff.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 7:44:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GA-Dawg:
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
We use the TAP 75gr


This...


I'm not a LEO, but my instructor at Blackwater swears by the stuff.




Same here.
Link Posted: 4/21/2009 10:50:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Hordnady TAP 55 gr


+1
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 12:07:03 AM EDT
County guys get the Speer 64 grain Gold Dot. State guys are getting 55 grain PSP in the green and yellow box (Remington).
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 6:26:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MK262:
Federal Tactical bonded 62 gr  (LE223T3)


We use this too.
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 7:01:26 AM EDT
If I could choose, it would be Fed Tactical Bonded 62gr.  We currently issue Win Ranger 64gr SP.

Does anyone have more info on the PA shooting analyzed by FBI and distributed in Powerpoint or PDF form?  FBI sez TAP didn't perform as well as they expected.  No detail on why they came to that conclusion.
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 7:05:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FN_form:
If I could choose, it would be Fed Tactical Bonded 62gr.  We currently issue Win Ranger 64gr SP.

Does anyone have more info on the PA shooting analyzed by FBI and distributed in Powerpoint or PDF form?  FBI sez TAP didn't perform as well as they expected.  No detail on why they came to that conclusion.


Yea, the TAP 55gr didn't perform as expected. The 62gr and 75gr are good to go.
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 7:19:17 AM EDT
We currently use Federal XM-193.
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 12:41:50 PM EDT
I carry what I can afford in a 55 grain flavor
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 12:53:56 PM EDT
We are issued 69 gr. Federal Gold Medal.  It's a decent round for the M4geries that have 1/7-1/9 barrels, but not so good for the few guys with M16A1's with the 1/12 barrel.  If I had my choice it would be 62 grain Federal bonded.  The problem I have noted with the GM is that, since it is a match round, it is not heavily crimped and the bullet tends to set back easily.
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 1:55:06 PM EDT
TAP
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 2:07:42 PM EDT
64 grain Winchester soft points
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 3:13:54 PM EDT
TAP 55
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 5:36:00 PM EDT
Out of curiosity has anyone tried the Federal 62gr bonded stuff out of a 1:12?
Link Posted: 4/22/2009 9:36:29 PM EDT
5.56 75gr TAP   -  Great stuff
Link Posted: 4/23/2009 10:11:58 AM EDT
Federal Tactical Rifle Urban...
Link Posted: 4/23/2009 6:21:51 PM EDT
Have done TAP, Federal Bonded, 193, etc, etc, etc.  55gr FMJ now in Win. Q3131.  $$$$ and availability is more the issue these days.  BTW, FMJ has been doing the deed for a long time, and will continue to do so.  Remember, its not so much about the equipment, but the skill of the operator.
Link Posted: 4/23/2009 10:43:51 PM EDT
Dept. issues PMC 55 gr soft point. I buy my own and carry/qualify with TAP 75 gr.
Link Posted: 5/1/2009 12:00:12 AM EDT
My Dept issues Federal Tactical Urban Rifle with a 55gr serria matchking hollowpoint

Environment: Dense Urban Las Vegas
Link Posted: 5/1/2009 3:43:07 AM EDT
Winchester Q3131



Regards,

LABlackRifle
Link Posted: 5/1/2009 8:17:07 AM EDT
TAP, TAP..............TAP
Link Posted: 5/1/2009 12:01:14 PM EDT
TAP 75 gr.
Link Posted: 5/1/2009 5:17:28 PM EDT
If you ever have to shoot through a barrier (windshield glass, etc), you'll wish you had a bonded round.  Federal's Tactical Bonded rounds are top notch.
Link Posted: 5/2/2009 8:02:00 PM EDT
Dallas issues/requires approved ammo.  So far the only approved ammo is the Winchester Ranger 55gr BST....appears to be the same they market as their 55gr BST Varmint round.  We had a shoot out in West Dallas that claimed an officer's life and the ammo did not perform well as responding officer's returned fired.  Suspect lived and was convicted during trial but among the rank and file there's definately a loss of faith in the rounds capabilities.  I wish we had other options but according to after actions reports and a memo sent out by the Firearms Training Center's Sgt, the rounds were not at fault.  Who knows, but I'd rather have M855 than a round marketed for varmints.
Link Posted: 5/2/2009 8:06:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2009 8:08:06 PM EDT by abpt1]
XM193

I am not in LE but local PD uses X193
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