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Posted: 9/17/2005 12:25:42 PM EDT
Im saving up for a new purchase and Im thinking I need a self-defense weapon, basically the purpose is to keep a bear or similarly aggressive threat off my ass while Im hiking. Ive been thinking wheelgun, maybe a 686 snubby or somthing like that, price cap is $500, go!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:27:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 12:27:42 PM EDT by adair_usmc]
Damn, I would have sold you my Taurus .454 for $500 about a month ago.

Cant go wrong with a Taurus though, you should be able to pick up a nice .44 mag or something even bigger for that.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:37:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tacman22:
Im saving up for a new purchase and Im thinking I need a self-defense weapon, basically the purpose is to keep a bear or similarly aggressive threat off my ass while Im hiking. Ive been thinking wheelgun, maybe a 686 snubby or somthing like that, price cap is $500, go!



You cannot go wrong with a 686+.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:38:39 PM EDT
There's a Super Blackhawk in my local paper for $350 obo. My son in law is looking at it today. If he passes on it, I'll post the phone number for you.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:39:00 PM EDT
Speaking from personal experience, Bear + not wanting to be a bear snack = .44 Mag.


YMMV.



Sheep
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:39:45 PM EDT
Yeah, 686 is nice, 7 rounds of .357 in a nice little package, cant go wrong.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:47:03 PM EDT
The 686 plus is a nice weapon and .357 is fine for criminals and the small black bears and mt. lions we have around here, but up north I would want a .44mag or more for the browns and griz.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:02:56 PM EDT
I have old S&W model 10's for cheap. "only" 38Spl's but they work just fine.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:15:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Speaking from personal experience, Bear + not wanting to be a bear snack = .44 Mag.


YMMV.



Sheep



He's in Washington state. They have black bears, but no browns that I'm aware of, and definitely no grizzlies. A .357 with quality ammunition should work fine for that level of bear threat, plus the occasional two-legged vermin you find in the woods.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:19:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 1:21:03 PM EDT by SciFiNut]
You can get a NIB Ruger Super Blackhawk (single action) or Super Redhawk (double action) in whatever caliber and barrel length you want for well under that price... at least around here... Got my Super Blackhawk .44 for $360 plus tax last year.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:25:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 1:25:45 PM EDT by mhpoole]
I just picked up a new Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44mag with the 5 1/2 barrel single action in stainless. I was thinking of getting the S&W model 329PD airlite 44mag for $689.00. I went to the shop and looked it over it while it was a nice gun it just didn't do it for me. I just didn't like the look I guess. The Ruger on the other hand was what I was really looking for. And with the 5 1/2 barrel seems to weigh about the same. I shot about 100rds of winchester white 44mag thru it last week. Yeah it kicks but I wouldn't go out with anything less in the woods. $409 out the door.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:30:57 PM EDT
If your thinking .357 I would go with a Ruger GP-100.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:58:27 PM EDT
Only reason I have to own a centerfire revolver is for the power of a .44 magnum and above. The .357 magnum revolver is rendered obsolete for defense by the development of the 10mm auto pistol.

Second, I would avoid all revolvers that contain integral key locks. Anyone purchasing one is only collaborating with liberals. Older Smith & Wesson revolvers are by far a superior product than even the current “Performance Center” production revolvers.

The new Ruger .454 5-shot revolver may be a good choice, and I have toyed with the idea of a Hamilton Bowen Redhawk conversion to .50AE for years.


Link Posted: 9/17/2005 1:58:55 PM EDT
There is a limit as far as how big and how heavy of a gun you can really carry. If you want to fire full house 357's two good choices would be a 4" Ruger Blackhawk or a 3.5" Smith Model 27 or 28. If you want a smaller lighter gun you good choose a 4" Smith Model 66 or 686. Anything with a barrel over 4" is about like carrying a sword as far as handiness. A 686 may be your best choice. You can find a nice older (pre lock, forged parts) gun on line no problem.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:09:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Speaking from personal experience, Bear + not wanting to be a bear snack = .44 Mag.


YMMV.



Sheep



Minimum.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By limaxray:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Speaking from personal experience, Bear + not wanting to be a bear snack = .44 Mag.


YMMV.



Sheep



He's in Washington state. They have black bears, but no browns that I'm aware of, and definitely no grizzlies. A .357 with quality ammunition should work fine for that level of bear threat, plus the occasional two-legged vermin you find in the woods.




Not me brother. Things that want to eat you are not to be trifled with. At minimum a .44 mag with hard cast bullets to go D E E P.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:24:13 PM EDT
If you are going with a .357 mag., look around for a used S&W model 19 or a Ruger GP100. If you are going with a .44mag. , lookf or a S&W model 29 or a Ruger Redhawk. These with serve you well.
Taurus are OK but I have had functional problems with the three I've owned in the recent past. I know they have a lifetime warranty but I had to send two of the three back to be repaired. The third one I just traded for a S&W Model 19.
Go with S&W or Ruger. Great revolvers.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:27:00 PM EDT
It's always better to have way bigger bullets that penetrate deep than to chance it with a lighter caliber... In the woods, there's no such thing as too much penetration.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:05:36 PM EDT
I can see what your saying with the .44 magnum, you need as much punch as you can carry. Ive got a friend that keeps a .44 mag snubnose in his chest rig at all times while hunting. There are some big critters up in N Idaho. I was also trying to be economical with ammo cost and weight, etc. But I guess if you need it, you want PUNCH. How much is .44 mag ammo goin for anyway?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:09:08 PM EDT
I had a 4" Dan Wesson 445. That'll take care of any critters you'd run into.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:54:02 PM EDT
I think I know where a Ruger Blackhawk is at for sale...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:07:11 PM EDT
.44 cal as a minimum. Things that can eat you deserve no less. Also a Ruger Vanquero [older one, as larger frame and able to handle stronger loads] in .45 Colt loaded up works GREAT for woods walking. Light, handles well and a good hard cast .45 Colt load will be very close to a .44 mag. There are load datas for Rugers that are hotter then other makes. If you want a DA revolver how about a Ruger SRH in .44 or .454 Casull? Just be aware they are pretty heavy. Blackhawks are nice also. I would rule out a .357 as it just does not have the weight, penetrating ability, or capacity to punch thru heavy bone. I could care less about reloading time as you will have neither the time or ability to reload if a bear attacks.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:12:04 PM EDT
get a smith, lifetime warranty and best made IMHO
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:21:51 PM EDT
Ammo cost for .44 here is about $17/50 rounds either UMC 180 gr JSP or 240gr Winchester JHP... 300gr cast goes for about $12/25... Can't seem to find Win White-box in .44 around here...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:24:17 PM EDT
Smith & Wesson all the way. I'll narrow that down to a stainless S&W.

My choice would be a 629 Mountain Gun, a lightweight .44 Magnum. I have one, and if I could only have one handgun, the 629 MG would be it.

If you want a .357, I'd advise a model 66 or 686, or even a model 65 (fixed sights). My second favorite handgun is a 3" round butt 686 that was a US Customs Service gun, model CS-1.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:31:26 PM EDT
S&W 629 Mountain Gun is an excellent all-around choice. Should come in under your $500 mark also.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:42:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 5:45:04 PM EDT by C-4]

Originally Posted By Black_Talon:
If your thinking .357 I would go with a Ruger GP-100.



+1 on the Ruger GP-100 .357 loaded with Winchester Supreme .357 Magnum 180 Grain Partition Gold if you don't have to worry about grizzlies. I'd go with a 6" barrel. That's what I have.


He's in Washington state. They have black bears, but no browns that I'm aware of, and definitely no grizzlies. A .357 with quality ammunition should work fine for that level of bear threat, plus the occasional two-legged vermin you find in the woods.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:59:54 PM EDT
If you think .357 is enough in WA, I'd go with an SP101 .357 with a 3 1/16 barrel. I carried a GP100 and while I love it, it is a brick if you are hiking.

If you need .44, the Mountain Gun is nice. Another option would be the S&W 329 PD Scandium .44. It is super light, so light (punishing) it ends up in the used/consignment section of gun stores with some frequency (retail is way over your limit).
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:08:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 6:09:49 PM EDT by ARDOC]
SOG has GP100s for $249. Buy and send it back to Ruger for a once over and it should be good as new.

Large brick at that. I have one with a 4inch barrel and its a big gun but should not be a problem if its a home gun and it handles the recoil of a 357 very well.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:14:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:15:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:19:45 PM EDT
Ruger New Vaquero
.45 Colt........it'll still get the job done!

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:25:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TUMOR:
Ruger New Vaquero
.45 Colt........it'll still get the job done!
www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/269L.gif



The old model can be loaded hotter then the new model. The new should only be loaded to SAA specs on the ammo. Even Ruger said they were weaker. The old one's can handle some pretty stiff .45 loads.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:25:52 PM EDT
I love my S&W 629.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:34:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Don't go too lightweight on the 44 magnum.
I have a 4" 629 and that is light enough.
And to think I was considering the 329



Yep, I have two 4" 629s, the Mountain Gun and a standard 4 incher. I also have a 6.5 inch 629 Classic.

99% of the time, in the mountain gun I stick to hard cast 240g bullets at 1000-1100 fps. My other 4 incher is an older pinned and recessed gun, and has an exquisite action. It is very easy to shoot well and I shoot a variety of loads in it, lots of 44 Special class target loads. The Classic is my hunting handgun, it gets a 100% diet of full house JHPs.

But the one I strap on "just to have it along" is the Mountain Gun.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:38:35 PM EDT
If bears are the problem, you need at least a 44 Mag. That means a S&W 629 or Ruger Super Redhawk. In a short barrel, none are pleasant to shoot with full power loads, but they will get the job done.
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