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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:28:56 PM EDT
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Excellent!
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:31:04 PM EDT
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Do we use plain old 'dumb' munitions anymore in artillery and an aircraft?
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:31:57 PM EDT
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Thats awesome, but I'm still glad I didn't branch FA.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:33:15 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:35:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:36:24 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8I think that's a wonderful example of where the term "steel rain" came from 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:36:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do we use plain old 'dumb' munitions anymore in artillery and an aircraft? Oh yeah... Lots and lots of 'em. Musa Qalah's got a decent amount of built up area, though. If you want to hit A house and not the whole neighborhood...you have excalibur. Up north more where it's less densely populated you'll see engagements with 120s tossing out close to 100 rds and 105s/155s tossing out 20 or 30 rds of std HE. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:37:59 PM EDT
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FOB Zeebrugge?
Wonder if they named that after the Zeebrugge raid. If so, just more awesome to an already awesome story. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:38:41 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8That was intense. I didn't even think about all the rounds in flight at one time. The explosions down range was 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:39:26 PM EDT
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Red legs getting the job done! Best news story I heard all day!
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:39:37 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8I think that's a wonderful example of where the term "steel rain" came from Death dealer 164? 1-67Armor? I was in that unit in both the 2AD and 4ID. HHC Mortar platoon 93-96. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:39:43 PM EDT
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Nice!
I was part of the team that first fired the Excalibur round in combat in 07 |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:41:15 PM EDT
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GOT DAYUM
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:41:40 PM EDT
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Yes, we still use standard artillery. Quite a bit of it. Excalibur is an exceptionally niche round. PGK and near precision has a lot of potential though.
Now, MLRS is going to be 100% coordinate seeking munitions in the next few years, and the ranges there are quite a bit longer than what tube artillery will do. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:43:47 PM EDT
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Outfuckingstanding!
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:44:05 PM EDT
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Well very cool. Thanks for the answers. Didn't know if it was all Excalibur these days or what.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:45:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8That was intense. I didn't even think about all the rounds in flight at one time. The explosions down range was I was there.  It was even cooler in person. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:46:32 PM EDT
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Well very cool. Thanks for the answers. Didn't know if it was all Excalibur these days or what. No way. Too expensive. It's something like $80,000 a round. The funny thing about precision is that in many cases it is actually cheaper. For instance, a standard MLRS round (M26) costs something like $40,000 a rocket. A guided unit (M30) is twice as much, but you need 12 rounds of M26 to accomplish what two rounds of M30 will do. Of course, we are getting rid of DPICM, so the comparison isn't really direct. I can write more on that later if you are ever interested. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:47:57 PM EDT
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RED LEGS
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:48:48 PM EDT
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Dat got a rocket for boost??????????? dat pretty far for gun powder.....
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:49:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well very cool. Thanks for the answers. Didn't know if it was all Excalibur these days or what. No way. Too expensive. It's something like $80,000 a round. The funny thing about precision is that in many cases it is actually cheaper. For instance, a standard MLRS round (M26) costs something like $40,000 a rocket. A guided unit (M30) is twice as much, but you need 12 rounds of M26 to accomplish what two rounds of M30 will do. Of course, we are getting rid of DPICM, so the comparison isn't really direct. I can write more on that later if you are ever interested. Sure, and I gotta once you compare the cost of getting 1 Excalibur round to a battery in Afghanistan versus getting 10 rounds to the same battery, the price difference comes down a bit. Very neat stuff. It seems like only yesterday I was reading about Copperhead in some Salamander Press book. 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:51:25 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8That was intense. I didn't even think about all the rounds in flight at one time. The explosions down range was holy shit are those green blobs 155 shells flying through the air? |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:51:35 PM EDT
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nice
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:51:51 PM EDT
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I was down at Raytheon earlier this year, and they have quite the facility down in Tucson it is like a city within a city. They make some impressive munitions and military hardware.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:55:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Fuck yeah! Bringing the hurt to a a few Taliban TurdsThis isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8 |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:56:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:59:22 PM EDT
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Never heard it coming.....
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:01:25 PM EDT
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That's some damn fine gunnery. They should be very proud of themselves.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:02:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuck yeah! Bringing the hurt to a a few Taliban TurdsThis isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8They weren't shooting that far. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:02:26 PM EDT
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King of Battle, indeed.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:17:59 PM EDT
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Yes, we still use standard artillery. Quite a bit of it. Excalibur is an exceptionally niche round. PGK and near precision has a lot of potential though. Now, MLRS is going to be 100% coordinate seeking munitions in the next few years, and the ranges there are quite a bit longer than what tube artillery will do. Yeah, you can say that part in red again. Wish we were smarter with M31s than we currently are. Huge fan of the GMLRS, and I'm a cannon guy. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:25:13 PM EDT
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Wish we were smarter with M31s than we currently are. How so? I'd like R0N and MAJClem to weigh in, but from my perspective M395 and M31 leave essentially no room for M982. I'm not a huge HIMARS fan, but maybe I'll like it more when we sign for some. Long story. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:33:33 PM EDT
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Damn... That's amazing. In that video they put so much anger and discontent in the air all at once... It's beautiful. Really is.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:14:53 PM EDT
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Good shooting Gyrenes....
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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:19:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8after watching that, I clicked on the related video of "Fighter Copters gone wild" ––- everything looks cooler with night vision |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:10:21 PM EDT
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Wish we were smarter with M31s than we currently are. How so? I'd like R0N and MAJClem to weigh in, but from my perspective M395 and M31 leave essentially no room for M982. Use them. We did in Iraq, and yes, AFG is not Iraq, there is no real reason that we(big Army) doesn't use them in OEF. They could occasionally come in handy in a lengthy TIC or something where you are stuck in town. We are handicapping ourselves needlessly. Biggest issue besides TLE with M31 for a TIC is air clearance, a snooze fest trying to get things cleared. By the time you get it done, you likely have some sort of CAS checking in. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:16:28 PM EDT
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The Marines don't have TLE issues because they shoot multiple round missions with an appropriate sheaf.
They also handle airspace differently. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:22:24 PM EDT
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I will put my money on PGK " copy left rear corner of house Round Out " |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:28:41 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8And DPICM as well
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:29:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8Thats gotta be a lot of suck to be on the receiving end of that. Very impressive! Any pix of the artillery piece chucking this stuff down range? |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:33:55 PM EDT
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Do we use plain old 'dumb' munitions anymore in artillery and an aircraft? Oh yhea. I think though that the "dumb" bombs might be more for like 'group therapy' type stuff and specific structures or groups of people get the guided stuff. Speaking of group therapy... Quoted:
This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8GET SOME!  
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:35:19 PM EDT
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So is that guy the King of England now? He had Excalibur in his hands.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:41:11 PM EDT
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The Marines don't have TLE issues because they shoot multiple round missions with an appropriate sheaf. They also handle airspace differently. TLE issues with PGMs is not a good thing unless your target is in the open.  Of course, then I'd just be putting HE/VT,Q, or Delay on it. We have huge holes in our observer training which will keep getting worse until we pull the observers back under one centralized method of training oversight/certification. The BCT concept is killing our FOs.
Can't do much about the airspace issue, but there is a reason Army cannon units working for Marines in Ramadi killed shit with counterfire, and most everyone else was just making noise. How to fix it? Don't know. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:44:10 PM EDT
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This isn't the first time the 11th MAR has seriously fucked up someone's yard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYR-H4Hgoz8Jesus Christ that's a lot of hurt going down range. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:48:00 PM EDT
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Depressing. Farthest I've shot is 21k.
To the guy that asked, the primary round we fire over here is regular old M795 HE. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:53:56 PM EDT
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Depressing. Farthest I've shot is 21k. To the guy that asked, the primary round we fire over here is regular old M795 HE. What is the hang time on a round going over 21k's? From the video it looks like they could put up 20-30 rounds before the 1st one hit! 
Stay safe. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:59:55 PM EDT
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We're talking out in the field today. Hi, what's your name?
"MY NAME'S BOB FLIBER!" Ok Bob, what do you do? "I'M IN THE ARTILLERY!" Thank you, Bob. Listen, can we play anything for you? "ANYTHING! JUST PLAY IT LOUD! OKAY?" 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:59:55 PM EDT
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DP |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 9:11:52 PM EDT
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Well very cool. Thanks for the answers. Didn't know if it was all Excalibur these days or what. No way. Too expensive. It's something like $80,000 a round. The funny thing about precision is that in many cases it is actually cheaper. For instance, a standard MLRS round (M26) costs something like $40,000 a rocket. A guided unit (M30) is twice as much, but you need 12 rounds of M26 to accomplish what two rounds of M30 will do. Of course, we are getting rid of DPICM, so the comparison isn't really direct. I can write more on that later if you are ever interested. Once again our troops perform outstanding work in horrific conditions. But they need to come home. |
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