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Posted: 9/23/2005 7:31:50 PM EDT
I am looking for a long range rifle that is very accurate.

I was thinking of .308 or .270. I am open to suggestions.

And no I'm not getting a BMG.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:36:54 PM EDT
Define "very". This is highly bank account balance dependent.

If you want a production bolt gun the Accuracy International and Sako TRG are good choices that will set you back a few grand. The Savage 10FP is well thought of if you want to spend reasonable amounts.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:38:37 PM EDT
I just got an FN PBR recently, and it's a great gun.

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:38:52 PM EDT
Lazzeroni warbird
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:40:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By speedboy:


I was thinking of .308 or .270. I




If you want a long range rifle, I'd be looking at something bigger (ie: faster) than those
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:40:45 PM EDT
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:42:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By speedboy:


I was thinking of .308 or .270. I




If you want a long range rifle, I'd be looking at something bigger (ie: faster) than those



Like what?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:44:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By protozo1:
Lazzeroni warbird



SLIGHTLY out of my price range. A good looking rifle though.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:44:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By speedboy:
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.



That's 1.5 MOA, and that's not hard to get. The Savage or Remington PSS should
do better than that. Some of the .308 AR-10s should be able to as well with
the right ammo.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:48:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 7:48:48 PM EDT by USMC88-93]
.338 lapua
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:49:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By speedboy:
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.



100 yards is not long range
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:50:29 PM EDT
My Remington VS with IOR scope 2lb trigger and FGGM 168gr will do .25 to .50 if I do my part.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:51:01 PM EDT
how far is "long range"

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:51:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC88-93:

Originally Posted By speedboy:
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.



100 yards is not long range



Well the rifle I was looking at was garented with that accuracy or better.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:54:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC88-93:

Originally Posted By speedboy:
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.



100 yards is not long range





I can honestly say I have not shot a rifle at a target under 200 yards in so long I can't remember. My course of fire is 200,300 and 600 yards.

My match rifle is a POS and will ONLY hold 1.5" at 200.


I'm looking at tinkering with 1000 yards.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:56:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 7:58:40 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By speedboy:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By speedboy:


I was thinking of .308 or .270. I




If you want a long range rifle, I'd be looking at something bigger (ie: faster) than those



Like what?




Lazzonia.


.338 Lapua

.300 Remington Ultra Mag

any of the new .300 short mags.......

others



The reason? That .308 is about a 800 yard rifle. If I've got an AR-15, you aren't that safe at 800 yards. If I"ve got an AK, you aren't safe at 800 yards. Both can lay down more firepower than you, and get reasonable hitting capability, ballistically and accuracywise, at 800 yards. They aren't ideal, but they can put rounds in your vicinity


If you want a long range rifle, you want to be outside the range of a standard, intermediate cartridge.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:58:18 PM EDT
Best rifle for the job without spending over $2K is a Remington 700 PSS. I have one in 300 Winchester Magnum that will shoot (with my son on the trigger with his young eyes) .50" @ 100 meters all day long. We shoot 1 gallon milk jugs filled with colored water @ 1000 meters! Great fun. I really love living in the desert with unlimited ranges to shoot long distances!

You should be able to get one with the Leupold Mk. 4 scope set up , out the door for $1800 or so. $1K of that price will be optics. A long range rifle is usless without first rate optics.

(Would you run cheap Arco unleaded in a Ferrari?)
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:07:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By speedboy:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By speedboy:


I was thinking of .308 or .270. I




If you want a long range rifle, I'd be looking at something bigger (ie: faster) than those



Like what?




Lazzonia.


.338 Lapua

.300 Remington Ultra Mag

any of the new .300 short mags.......

others



The reason? That .308 is about a 800 yard rifle. If I've got an AR-15, you aren't that safe at 800 yards. If I"ve got an AK, you aren't safe at 800 yards. Both can lay down more firepower than you, and get reasonable hitting capability, ballistically and accuracywise, at 800 yards. They aren't ideal, but they can put rounds in your vicinity


If you want a long range rifle, you want to be outside the range of a standard, intermediate cartridge.



Don't forget .408 Chey Tac and .50 BMG
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:12:15 PM EDT
338/50 Talbot

338/50 Talbot info
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:13:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sniper1az:


You should be able to get one with the Leupold Mk. 4 scope set up , out the door for $1800 or so. $1K of that price will be optics. A long range rifle is usless without first rate optics.

(Would you run cheap Arco unleaded in a Ferrari?)




Interesting. I own 1 scope. It's sort of a POS and all I use it for is load development. ALL of my shooting is done with irons. With a PSS I'd put a set of micrometer irons on it.

But that's just me.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:34:25 PM EDT
Remington PSS or LTR in .308
...many mounting options
they come with a nice stock
decent barrel once broken in
at least .75" out of the box
...and the choice of JBT nationwide. Need I say more?


A decent scope is worth the $.Can't go wrong with a nice Leupold. I recommend a nice used Leupold.

The perfect combo would be the LTR with a 3.5x10x40 Leupold M3 with Badger base and rings.
This will get you to 800 yards or so with federal GM 175 ammo.

With a .308, you really need a 22" or longer barrel to shoot at 1000 yards.

The PSS can be had for less $ and has a full length 26" barrel.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:41:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 8:44:11 PM EDT by integrity_first]
speedboy,

Interested in buying this? It's for sale.

Shoot me an email for details.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7317/kit21bf.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9462/kit11cv.jpg

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:48:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 8:50:07 PM EDT by amendment]
Nice,.............savage?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:50:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By speedboy:
I am looking for a long range rifle that is very accurate.

I was thinking of .308 or .270. I am open to suggestions.

And no I'm not getting a BMG.



Accuracy Internatial made a good rifle, if you can find one. How much money are you looking to spend?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:51:01 PM EDT


Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:55:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:58:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By amendment:
Nice,.............savage?



Thanks. Yeah, it's a Savage, still new, never been fired.

Harris LM/S bipod
Blackhawk buttpouch/ammo holder
Ken Farell 20 MOA one piece scope base
Warne Maxima rings
Leupold Model 51850 scope
Savage 10FP Accutrigger in .308

For the price, it's a great combo.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 9:00:19 PM EDT
What is your definition of long range? As a highpower shooter, my definition is 600-1,000 yards, and I only use iron sights right now.

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 9:51:45 PM EDT
300 remington ultra mag
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:18:24 PM EDT

Dakota T76 Longbow in .338 Lapau

Accuracy International AWSM in .338 Lapau
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:39:43 PM EDT
Any Remington, Winchester or Savage you buy at Wal-Mart can probably do 1.5 MOA with good ammo.

In my experience, the WSMs seem to be particularly accurate factory rifles.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:43:24 PM EDT
1st choice would be a AW 7.62x51


2nd choice would be a Remington Pss 26" 308win with a Leupold Mk4.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:39:28 PM EDT
There are discussions about long range rifles in the armory/precision rifles section.
www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=5
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:36:14 AM EDT
Tikka T-3 in .308 - get the Varmint with 22" barrel, stainless is nice too. Under $700, guaranteed 1MOA out of the box, sweetest trigger in the world out of the box. I got 3/8" groups at 100 yards with milsurp FMJ ammo. Bolt throw is like a hot knife through butter.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:12:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By speedboy:
Accuracy about 1.5in. dia. at 100 yards or better.



That's 15 inches at 1000 yards in a perfect world. You need to set your sights higher (how's that for a pun!) and seek a rifle that will deliver between 0.5 and 0.75 moa, for starters. Caliber is a little dependent on the application, so I would be looking for a cartridge that has very high BC bullets available. You are planning on handloading for this rifle, correct?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:35:45 AM EDT
An SF friend of mine at Ft. Campbell KY has an AI 338 Lapua Mag single shot rifle. We stretched it out to 1400m once and was ringing steel with it pretty regularly.
I helped with the development of the Barrett 338 LM semi auto. We shot it out to 1200 and 1300m. It would hit 7 and 8" groups at those ranges. I was using my own 250g Lapua LockBase reloads to do it.

Look at the 338 Lapua Mag.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:42:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC88-93:
.338 lapua



+1
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:38:44 PM EDT
Check out the Savage LE Models for a good starting point. The .308 for a short action, the .270 takes the long action. , and as long as you go for the long action might as well go .300 Win Mag.

The Savages are the best bang for your buck.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:59:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:05:57 PM EDT
You'll never regret having a good custon rifle built. It's not much more $ in the long run.
www.gaprecision.net/
Good luck.


One of my toys.

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:15:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:15:39 PM EDT by TheKill]

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:
You'll never regret having a good custon rifle built. It's not much more $ in the long run.
www.gaprecision.net/
Good luck.


One of my toys.
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=35771
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=36359



Remington 700SA, trued and lapped by George with his big handle. Fluted, whose barrel? On AICS. Nice! What's your best group so far?

ETA: 22" right?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:23:18 PM EDT
Have you considered a rifle chambered in some type of 7mm cartridge? My father just gave me a custom 7mm Mag for Christmas and I love it. He used to buy all kinds of crazy rifles, from beautiful .270's all the way up to a huge .458 Express. A few years ago he bought a Magnum Research 7mm Mag and loved it from the start. He sold most of his crazy rifles because they just weren't fun to shoot. I don't think he ever shot the .458 and he only shot the .300 Weatherby Magnum a handful of times. The 7mm Mag will kill pretty much everything in North America and is much easier to shoot than the .30's. Its worth looking into, you never know what you'll find when trying new guns
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:31:09 PM EDT
Ok guys my brother [speedboy] started this thread for me because I am looking for a inexpensive yet quite acrit rifle

Heavy but not sniper rifle heavy

and living in Michigan 300 yards for a deer hunting rifle is unheard of so that constitutes longrange for us

$700 is the roof in the way of cost for justh the rifle and the reason is after that it is hard to justify it with the parents.

I want it acrit in order to be sure that when I miss I am at fault not my rifle

Thanks for the reasponse

Arnutt...........Speedboy's 17yrold bro....................
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:38:16 PM EDT


tag in hope of more comments
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:50:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARnutt:
Ok guys my brother [speedboy] started this thread for me because I am looking for a inexpensive yet quite acrit rifle

Heavy but not sniper rifle heavy

and living in Michigan 300 yards for a deer hunting rifle is unheard of so that constitutes longrange for us

$700 is the roof in the way of cost for justh the rifle and the reason is after that it is hard to justify it with the parents.

I want it acrit in order to be sure that when I miss I am at fault not my rifle

Thanks for the reasponse

Arnutt...........Speedboy's 17yrold bro....................



Remington LTR
Should fit the bill.
CH
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:54:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARnutt:
Ok guys my brother [speedboy] started this thread for me because I am looking for a inexpensive yet quite acrit rifle

Heavy but not sniper rifle heavy

and living in Michigan 300 yards for a deer hunting rifle is unheard of so that constitutes longrange for us

$700 is the roof in the way of cost for justh the rifle and the reason is after that it is hard to justify it with the parents.

I want it acrit in order to be sure that when I miss I am at fault not my rifle

Thanks for the reasponse

Arnutt...........Speedboy's 17yrold bro....................



Arnutt,

I'm just going to assume that Speedboy is your youger brother, so if you're 17yo. I think it's cool that you're both investigating this. It's always best to see what's out there and real world feedback from people who actually own what you want to buy.

When I was 17, it would have been almost impossible to convince my parents to let me spend 700 bucks on just a rifle ( all the accessories can double that - easily).

If the farthest you think you may shoot is 300 yards, there are plenty of less expensive rifles out there that will give you that kind of accuracy for almost half of what your budget is.

Sure, it's real easy for some guys on this site to recommend specialty rifles, but these same guys may not have considered the fact that the average teenager makes less than 12k a year. After all, at 17 you should still be in high school and probably working a part time job.

Hell I used a Savage as the platform for two of my "Tactical" rifles because I have a family and a mortgage. I have my priorities aligned with my income, and a 3k target rifle just doesn't fit in there.

I don't know much about bolt actions, but I've read elsewhere that Howa makes a damn decent rifle for a very reasonable price. Don't be a brand snob. It may not say Remington on it, but you'll still have a lot of fun with it. You're only 17, there's always time to earn more money and buy better toys.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:28:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By integrity_first:

Originally Posted By ARnutt:
Ok guys my brother [speedboy] started this thread for me because I am looking for a inexpensive yet quite acrit rifle

Heavy but not sniper rifle heavy

and living in Michigan 300 yards for a deer hunting rifle is unheard of so that constitutes longrange for us

$700 is the roof in the way of cost for justh the rifle and the reason is after that it is hard to justify it with the parents.

I want it acrit in order to be sure that when I miss I am at fault not my rifle

Thanks for the reasponse

Arnutt...........Speedboy's 17yrold bro....................



Arnutt,

I'm just going to assume that Speedboy is your youger brother, so if you're 17yo. I think it's cool that you're both investigating this. It's always best to see what's out there and real world feedback from people who actually own what you want to buy.

When I was 17, it would have been almost impossible to convince my parents to let me spend 700 bucks on just a rifle ( all the accessories can double that - easily).

If the farthest you think you may shoot is 300 yards, there are plenty of less expensive rifles out there that will give you that kind of accuracy for almost half of what your budget is.

Sure, it's real easy for some guys on this site to recommend specialty rifles, but these same guys may not have considered the fact that the average teenager makes less than 12k a year. After all, at 17 you should still be in high school and probably working a part time job.

Hell I used a Savage as the platform for two of my "Tactical" rifles because I have a family and a mortgage. I have my priorities aligned with my income, and a 3k target rifle just doesn't fit in there.

I don't know much about bolt actions, but I've read elsewhere that Howa makes a damn decent rifle for a very reasonable price. Don't be a brand snob. It may not say Remington on it, but you'll still have a lot of fun with it. You're only 17, there's always time to earn more money and buy better toys.



What he said.

There are lots of reasonably priced weapons that will do an adequate job at 300 yards. What you need right now is a good utility weapon that will allow you to get enough practice that it won't be your fault, either. The difference in price between one gun and another can buy you a lot of ammo for practice.

Besides, you don't want to be worrying about beating up a multi-thousand dollar rifle in the woods right now, anyway. You will find that worrying about the thing getting dinged up (because you spent every last dime you had on it) can take the fun out of a day in the woods. You can always move up later and get yourself a gold-engraved custom Weatherby or something, but for right now, get something adequate but not too expensive and have some fun. Even if you get the more expensive gun later, you will probably retain a fondness for your first weapon.

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:44:14 AM EDT
Walk into any Walmart and for 462 bucks get a Savage 10fp in .308.

The Savage is one of the most accurate rifles out of the box and .308 is a very accurate and flexible cartridge.Add a Super Sniper scope and you have a very capable system on the cheap that can run with the big dogs.As your skills improve you can have the action blueprinted,add a Mcmillan stock(though the Mcmillan stock is available as an option from the factory),etc.All the upgrades to squeeze the last bit of accuracy out of the gun.Sharp Shooter Supply is a great source to help you with the Savage.This is a pic of a Savage theyv'e tricked out
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