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Posted: 8/18/2012 7:09:36 PM EDT
London Store Robbery

This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 7:40:56 PM EDT
Damn, Obama's got one in England too, who knew?
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 7:47:23 PM EDT
20 minutes!!!

I'll be surprised if the robber doesn't sue the owner for using a weapon.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 8:59:06 PM EDT
I thought we had a delay responding to crimes in progress.
I'm guessing in the heart of London
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 10:05:05 PM EDT
Would have been a better video if the shop owner(s) were permitted to arm themselves, and had put a few more holes in the thief than he came into this world with.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 10:15:27 PM EDT
That was semi-comic.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 10:16:41 PM EDT
Puritans
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 10:29:30 PM EDT
20 fucking minutes.



It is obviously acceptable to leave the subjects unarmed and defenseless, that was the plan when they were disarmed. If some criminal takes advantage that is just acceptable collateral damage, the proper authorities remain in control and deal with it without some subject/citizen taking any authority for his or her own life into their own hands.




Link Posted: 8/18/2012 10:51:00 PM EDT
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That was semi-comic.

"Sickening" is how I'll describe it.

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Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:01:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:04:56 PM EDT
Should have ended about two minutes into the video with a triple-tap.....


Way to go Briton.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:30:19 PM EDT
The Meht-all Bahr needs to be a little thicker. If you have a 4-5 ft. length of round stock less than 1/2" diameter, a stabbing motion would be much better than swinging it. Granny needs some Centrum Silver and maybe some trailer park crank to boost her speed, that slow-mo chair dance just won't get the job done. Fire extinguisher guy needs to have some detectives track down the man that stole his balls and have them returned. The dumb end of the tank could have the perp drooling on the windows of the (short) prison bus.
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:40:02 PM EDT
Quoted:
London Store Robbery

This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.


False! "This country"? Fuck London, fuck the UK commie fuckstick utopia stronghold of false hood.
I vehemently oppose your assertion of why "We" have guns. Most could have fucked that dudes day with some good ole fashioned  know how and a machete. Most criminal scum are weak cowards.
Shit, Yo, a fist to the fast sends most of them running. LEO,.....well they just want to get home safe.

BoR, 2A. "We" have guns because of tyrants. Thy day comes.

Learn to swim.

III

Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:40:10 PM EDT
I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.



Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.


 
Link Posted: 8/18/2012 11:41:42 PM EDT



Quoted:



Quoted:

London Store Robbery



This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.




False! "This country"? Fuck London, fuck the UK commie fuckstick utopia stronghold of false hood.

I vehemently oppose your assertion of why "We" have guns. Most could have fucked that dudes day with some good ole fashioned  know how and a machete. Most criminal scum are weak cowards.

Shit, Yo, a fist to the fast sends most of them running. LEO,.....well they just want to get home safe.



BoR, 2A. "We" have guns because of tyrants. Thy day comes.



Learn to swim.



III





I read this post twice.... it still looks like gibberish.



 
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 2:27:37 AM EDT
That Woman screaming is too much
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 2:40:21 AM EDT


Personally, I would have caved his head in with that fire extinguisher.

Seems like these folks could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by locking him in between the security doors as soon as things turned ugly.

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 2:43:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 3:17:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 3:20:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 3:26:59 AM EDT
Mom with the chair was great!






 
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 3:53:57 AM EDT
The strong attack the weak. The many attack the few. Soon to be as peaceful as the middle ages.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:19:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:27:43 AM EDT



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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.



Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.

 


So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.



Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:31:52 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....


We're just not used to polite criminals who give their real names when asked by the victims during the commission of the crime.

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:33:03 AM EDT



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London Store Robbery



This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.




Because armed robberies never happen in America.


They do of course. We have decided as a people to take liberty over perceived safety. When they do happen we can defend ourselves appropriately. Armed robberies happen in Britain too, but the shopkeepers tend to not have guns themselves.



 
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:43:11 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif[/img]


There is some truth to that. Look at the old lady with a chair. She had more balls then the average arfcom commando with all his tacticool crap.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:46:39 AM EDT
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20 fucking minutes.

It is obviously acceptable to leave the subjects unarmed and defenseless, that was the plan when they were disarmed. If some criminal takes advantage that is just acceptable collateral damage, the proper authorities remain in control and deal with it without some subject/citizen taking any authority for his or her own life into their own hands.



The English consider criminals as "part of their society" in that they need to be respected for their work (theft/etc..) and that if someone, such as a shop keeper or home owner proves "a risk" to "burglars or robbers" than the homeowner/shopowner will certainly have more restrictions placed upon by the justice system there, even up to imprisonment.

England is the punchline to the joke about Socialism and Western Europe.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:48:35 AM EDT
Here's some additional footage.

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:50:20 AM EDT
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Quoted:
London Store Robbery

This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.


False! "This country"? Fuck London, fuck the UK commie fuckstick utopia stronghold of false hood.
I vehemently oppose your assertion of why "We" have guns. Most could have fucked that dudes day with some good ole fashioned  know how and a machete. Most criminal scum are weak cowards.
Shit, Yo, a fist to the fast sends most of them running. LEO,.....well they just want to get home safe.

BoR, 2A. "We" have guns because of tyrants. Thy day comes.

Learn to swim.

III



What.... In the fuck is this gibberish?
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:54:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 4:58:59 AM EDT
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Quoted:
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London Store Robbery

This is why we have guns in this country. It took forever for the London Police to show up at this jewelry store robbery. The police can not save you in a situation like this.


False! "This country"? Fuck London, fuck the UK commie fuckstick utopia stronghold of false hood.
I vehemently oppose your assertion of why "We" have guns. Most could have fucked that dudes day with some good ole fashioned  know how and a machete. Most criminal scum are weak cowards.
Shit, Yo, a fist to the fast sends most of them running. LEO,.....well they just want to get home safe.

BoR, 2A. "We" have guns because of tyrants. Thy day comes.

Learn to swim.

III


I read this post twice.... it still looks like gibberish.
 


Read it with an accent - it helps
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:07:22 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....


Well; okay then.

Which ones; the ones seen running away from the Arab mob, or the ones who run away from vicious dogs while abandoning their  partners?

Enjoy your fine self defense laws and tough cops.

And enjoy grappling hand to hand with thugs who are armed with firearms; it's your right to bash their heads in.

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:08:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:11:34 AM EDT
Fuckin guy with the fire extinguisher should be ashamed. Hell the mom is trying to hit the guy with a chair while he just sits there like a pussy.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:12:27 AM EDT
And yet some question why we would carry a gun



No...I'll just hang out here with this violent criminal till the cops show up in a half hour or so  
 
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:16:18 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif[/url]


There is some truth to that. Look at the old lady with a chair. She had more balls then the average arfcom commando with all his tacticool crap.


Sadly that's half the problem.   Most of the uber-walts on here sadly have all the gear and no idea.   They think they would all "up in da face" like some tier 1 operator if some bloke jumped them but in actual fact they would probably piss themselves, have a whimper and shoot themselves in the leg as they tried to draw.  A good few of those with rifles sadly never shoot more than 100yds and couldn't hit a barn if they were stood inside it when they do.

Unless you have the speed, manoeuvrability and reactions of a Thomson Gazelle and and are already at a heightened state of awareness through situational indicators then you are pretty much at a serious disadvantage and your reactions are not always as you'd hope.  It's not a criticism, it's just fact.

People who have been in serious fight or flight situations and matter of life and death fights know only too well that the woulda, coulda, shoulda, bullshit spouted by many of the chest thumping Arfcom commandos evaporates into thin air when the SHTF and it's only through the vigorous and disciplined training like that undertaken for years by military and police forces around the world that people can develop the skills to react the way they want to under such circumstances.  Watching a Costa video while munching cheetos and dancing round the sofa with your AR15 doesn't make you combat ready.


Sigline worthy, that is.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:17:15 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif[/url]


There is some truth to that. Look at the old lady with a chair. She had more balls then the average arfcom commando with all his tacticool crap.


Sadly that's half the problem.   Most of the uber-walts on here sadly have all the gear and no idea.   They think they would all "up in da face" like some tier 1 operator if some bloke jumped them but in actual fact they would probably piss themselves, have a whimper and shoot themselves in the leg as they tried to draw.  A good few of those with rifles sadly never shoot more than 100yds and couldn't hit a barn if they were stood inside it when they do.

Unless you have the speed, manoeuvrability and reactions of a Thomson Gazelle and and are already at a heightened state of awareness through situational indicators then you are pretty much at a serious disadvantage and your reactions are not always as you'd hope.  It's not a criticism, it's just fact.

People who have been in serious fight or flight situations and matter of life and death fights know only too well that the woulda, coulda, shoulda, bullshit spouted by many of the chest thumping Arfcom commandos evaporates into thin air when the SHTF and it's only through the vigorous and disciplined training like that undertaken for years by military and police forces around the world that people can develop the skills to react the way they want to under such circumstances.  Watching a Costa video while munching cheetos and dancing round the sofa with your AR15 doesn't make you combat ready.




Having the right to choose to carry a gun still beats being forced to go about unarmed by The State.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:17:25 AM EDT
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20 fucking minutes.

It is obviously acceptable to leave the subjects unarmed and defenseless, that was the plan when they were disarmed. If some criminal takes advantage that is just acceptable collateral damage, the proper authorities remain in control and deal with it without some subject/citizen taking any authority for his or her own life into their own hands.



The English consider criminals as "part of their society" in that they need to be respected for their work (theft/etc..) and that if someone, such as a shop keeper or home owner proves "a risk" to "burglars or robbers" than the homeowner/shopowner will certainly have more restrictions placed upon by the justice system there, even up to imprisonment.

England is the punchline to the joke about Socialism and Western Europe.




You clearly do not have clue what you are talking about.


Eh, what do you know about the UK, dude?

That fellow is in PA––I'm sure he has a better handle on Britain than you ever could.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:24:41 AM EDT
I was quite surprised at the commentators remarks about the fire extinguisher guy.

IIRC it was "He wisely chooses not to attack the robber with a fire extinguisher".

I thought he 'foolishly' decided not to attack the guy with a known good weapon.

I think its a shame that it took the police so long to respond, it should have been much quicker given the geographical area over which they patrol, they clearly were not told of the importance of the alarm call, somewhere in the chain of alarm company - police dispatcher - police,  something went wrong.

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:24:56 AM EDT
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20 fucking minutes.

It is obviously acceptable to leave the subjects unarmed and defenseless, that was the plan when they were disarmed. If some criminal takes advantage that is just acceptable collateral damage, the proper authorities remain in control and deal with it without some subject/citizen taking any authority for his or her own life into their own hands.



The English consider criminals as "part of their society" in that they need to be respected for their work (theft/etc..) and that if someone, such as a shop keeper or home owner proves "a risk" to "burglars or robbers" than the homeowner/shopowner will certainly have more restrictions placed upon by the justice system there, even up to imprisonment.

England is the punchline to the joke about Socialism and Western Europe.




You clearly do not have clue what you are talking about.


Eh, what do you know about the UK, dude?

That fellow is in PA––I'm sure he has a better handle on Britain than you ever could.


Yeah.

You'd think some here actually believe that you could go on vacation in  the UK and return to find some squatters living in your house who have legal rights which makes them difficult to remove without taking them to court.

These myths die hard.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:25:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:26:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:27:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:29:14 AM EDT
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I would never want to live there.... hell I don't even want to visit.

Completely stripped of self defense there... pathetic.
 

So wrong. Our self defence laws are fine. The people in the shop could quite lawfully have beaten the criminal unconscious or to a point he no longer represented a threat. There clearly wasn't anyone capable of that present.

Yes, the Police response time was really poor, tends to indicate we need more Police! As for this 'At least the LEO's got to go home safe shit'...you can keep that in the US! In 28 years service I have seen our largely unarmed officers tackle many violent offenders, including those armed with blades, clubs etc, and even guns. Been there myself more times than I care to think about. Of course armed Police make a difference. In the ten years I've been overtly carrying, people do not piss me about. Regardless, it is still the wish of most officers not to carry a firearm. I think events will change that eventually. Every US LEO I have discussed it with have said they couldn't police over here without a gun. There was an ex-US Marine joined a UK Force for a while and resigned because he couldn't routinely carry a gun and felt it too dangerous to patrol without. Clearly our LEO's are generally much tougher than yours....[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif[/url]


There is some truth to that. Look at the old lady with a chair. She had more balls then the average arfcom commando with all his tacticool crap.


Sadly that's half the problem.   Most of the uber-walts on here sadly have all the gear and no idea.   They think they would all "up in da face" like some tier 1 operator if some bloke jumped them but in actual fact they would probably piss themselves, have a whimper and shoot themselves in the leg as they tried to draw.  A good few of those with rifles sadly never shoot more than 100yds and couldn't hit a barn if they were stood inside it when they do.

Unless you have the speed, manoeuvrability and reactions of a Thomson Gazelle and and are already at a heightened state of awareness through situational indicators then you are pretty much at a serious disadvantage and your reactions are not always as you'd hope.  It's not a criticism, it's just fact.

People who have been in serious fight or flight situations and matter of life and death fights know only too well that the woulda, coulda, shoulda, bullshit spouted by many of the chest thumping Arfcom commandos evaporates into thin air when the SHTF and it's only through the vigorous and disciplined training like that undertaken for years by military and police forces around the world that people can develop the skills to react the way they want to under such circumstances.  Watching a Costa video while munching cheetos and dancing round the sofa with your AR15 doesn't make you combat ready.




Having the right to choose to carry a gun still beats being forced to go about unarmed by The State.


Out of interest A-F, have you ever used your gun in anger?  Just wondering.


Yes.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:29:35 AM EDT
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20 minutes!!!

I'll be surprised if the robber doesn't sue the owner for using a weapon.


In this country, he'd press charges against the owner for kidnapping, since he was detained both inside the store, and then in the vestibule.
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:31:01 AM EDT
disarm the public and then take your sweet ass time to come to their defense
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:32:36 AM EDT
Why didn't that guy with the extinguisher flatten Obama's son's head like Frankenstein?
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:40:57 AM EDT
wherever they are, they are what they are......
Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:44:19 AM EDT
Can end up bad for some jewelers here in the Netherlands.

Here is a vid of Jeweler being robbed and shot dead in my town a couple of months ago (not graphic, robbery starts at 0:30)
A jeweler cant keep ANYTHING that he intends to use as a weapon in his shop, even a slightly pointed twig would be a FELONY. And I have pleny of examples of other jewelers being killed or permananly injured.  



In my country self defence involves a duty to retreat (an extreme one at that, if burglars enter my house I would have to leave my 6 year old son in bed if he was not immediately threatened) + A duty to use the minimal amount of force + protecting you property is no reason to use force.

You can however use a illegally held firearm in self defence, the leading court case on the subject held that a women who carried a gun illegally and was in the process of being stabbed to death by 2 armed robbers could use that gun in self defence, se of course did get convicted of illegal gun possession [imp]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_dissapprove.gif[/imp]

Ad to that that you go through the full court/appeal/supreme court ride just ads to the thrill

I'm kind of skeptical of Funky (no offence btw) claiming good self defence laws in the UK as I expect the situation is much like the Netherlands (or at least so I hear from various legal profs from the UK) Yes self defence might succeed but it not going to be pretty.
Although it must also be said that the courts in recent year seem to be getting better than the dark days of the 1980's and 90's .

Link Posted: 8/19/2012 5:45:17 AM EDT
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