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Posted: 10/8/2007 8:35:15 AM EST
Lockheed Martin Developing One Shot System For Snipers
Monday October 8, 9:00 am ET

AKRON, Ohio, Oct. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT - News) received a $2 million contract from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to develop the One Shot System, that will profile and compensate for down- range cross wind. The system will enhance the ability of snipers to hit targets over long ranges under challenging conditions.

"Winds of 5 to 10 miles per hour significantly decrease the probability of a sniper hitting a target and requiring a second attempt, which increases the sniper's own probability of detection," said Ron Rex, Lockheed Martin's One Shot program manager. "The One Shot system will solve this problem, significantly increasing operational range and hit probability, and giving our warfighters a capability that is urgently needed today."

Lockheed Martin's Akron, OH facility will develop the One Shot system under a 9-month Phase 1 contract. DARPA will then down-select a single One Shot system solution from among industry offerings for an 18-month Phase 2 contract to produce a prototype. The Akron site has a strong track record of successful innovation in the development and application of laser systems technology, including programs in shipboard and airborne infrared countermeasures, laser communications and active sensing.

Headquartered in Bethesda, MD, Lockheed Martin employs about 140,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services.

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Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:39:14 AM EST
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:40:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 8:42:10 AM EST by kill-9]

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.


Sights? Who needs 'em?

ETA: Hopefully this will also become a line of products available to the general public.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:55:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.


Sights? Who needs 'em?

ETA: Hopefully this will also become a line of products available to the general public.


I just use my thumb to judge the wind...sights are for pussies.

I also have a 15" cock, am eligable to join Mensa, and can make Chuck Norris run home crying to mommy.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:56:05 AM EST
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:59:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?


Don't hold your breath.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:07:47 AM EST
They justneed to hire some actors. Those guys can dive off a building, do a barrel roll, and hit a target 200 feet away with a snub-nosed revolver before hitting the ground.

Our kill rate would go up if we just sent the Marine Snipers to actors' school.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:16:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.


Sights? Who needs 'em?

ETA: Hopefully this will also become a line of products available to the general public.


for the 1k stuff I stick to a bead sight..getting old
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:18:21 AM EST
If you use it, the ghosts of Carlos Hatchcock and Vasily Zaitsev will tell you to "use the force."
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:07:03 AM EST
I am all for our soldiers having what they need but somehow I see this turning into one soldier getting some $40000 whiz bang system that needs a crew to keep it running and calibrated vs a dozen soldiers getting a decent serviceable rifle/scope combo .
It just seems that present technology is pretty solid and the money would be better spent on sheer numbers and training (of snipers and spotters)
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:15:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By crurifragium:
If you use it, the ghosts of Carlos Hatchcock and Vasily Zaitsev will tell you to "use the force."


Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:16:09 AM EST
So whats the system? some new type of optics? A self guiding smart bullet?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:17:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:18:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.



So true.. so true...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:19:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
So whats the system? some new type of optics? A self guiding smart bullet?


I think they're gonna duct-tape a Kestrel to the side of a Nightforce and laminate some ballistics charts.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:19:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:19:55 AM EST by dsg2003gt]

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.


ah, so you read my range report...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:19:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:23:05 AM EST by Da_Bunny]

Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?


May as well, it'll have to sync with the little doppler radar transceiver on top of your head.

Or you can do the math in your head....
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:19:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
So whats the system? some new type of optics? A self guiding smart bullet?


shark with a frickin' laser on it's head, calling out windage and elevation in addition to range
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:21:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?


May as well, it'll have to sync with the little doppler radar transceiver on top of your head.


may I assume you know who "shardik the bear" is?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:28:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dedfella:
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Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
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Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper? have


may I assume you know who "shardik the bear" is?


Sooo the new weapon is a big six-gun with sandalwood grips? ^^^^^^
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:30:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
So whats the system? some new type of optics? A self guiding smart bullet?


Doesn't say what it is, far as I can tell, just that they're getting money to try and develop it. Ball's in their court on whether they can develop something that works better then an experienced shooter's eye and doesn't require a truck to haul around and a squad of guys to run.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:30:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By dedfella:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?


May as well, it'll have to sync with the little doppler radar transceiver on top of your head.


may I assume you know who "shardik the bear" is?


No, but my North Central Positronic brain might.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:31:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:33:13 AM EST by thelastgunslinger]

Originally Posted By dedfella:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
all joking aside

should I wait to buy an optic for my .50 upper?


May as well, it'll have to sync with the little doppler radar transceiver on top of your head.


may I assume you know who "shardik the bear" is?


I most certainly do.


ETA: Have you guys been reading the Dark Tower comic?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:33:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:36:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:38:55 AM EST by SJSAMPLE]

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
The solicitation is for a wind-measuring device. Right now, you range your target with mildots or a LRF (preferred) and the range compensation will pretty much be "on." Then you try to figure out wind.

Imagine a laser range-finder that gave you two numbers: 1. the range, and 2. the net wind to the target.

It would of course measure over the line of sight, not the bullet trajectory, but that would still be much better than what we have now.


Imagine an optic with two dots.
One dot is the LOS (Line of Sight) dot and the other is a dot corrected for wind, range and the bullet's ballistic table.

Click a switch to take the wind and range readings, let the computer calculate the trajectory and POI and super-impose the second dot in the viewfinder.

IIRC, the OICW had or was to have had this type of optic.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:38:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:46:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:50:11 AM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By nhsport:
I am all for our soldiers having what they need but somehow I see this turning into one soldier getting some $40000 whiz bang system that needs a crew to keep it running and calibrated vs a dozen soldiers getting a decent serviceable rifle/scope combo .
It just seems that present technology is pretty solid and the money would be better spent on sheer numbers and training (of snipers and spotters)


We don't do the sheer-numbers-of-snipers thing....

For the number of snipers the US Army uses, this is the way to go....

The ideal solution would be a system that does wind, as well as inertial lead-computation (eg track a moving target with your rifle, while tracking press 'compute' button, and your cross-hairs offset to the wind & lead-adjusted position...

Sort of like a tank fire-control system, but small enough for a rifle....
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:53:21 AM EST
Chances are it will be 2 billion over budget and not do what its supposed to but hey it will have a coffee maker on it.

Lockheed employee
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:59:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
The solicitation is for a wind-measuring device. Right now, you range your target with mildots or a LRF (preferred) and the range compensation will pretty much be "on." Then you try to figure out wind.

Imagine a laser range-finder that gave you two numbers: 1. the range, and 2. the net wind to the target.

It would of course measure over the line of sight, not the bullet trajectory, but that would still be much better than what we have now.


Imagine an optic with two dots.
One dot is the LOS (Line of Sight) dot and the other is a dot corrected for wind, range and the bullet's ballistic table.

Click a switch to take the wind and range readings, let the computer calculate the trajectory and POI and super-impose the second dot in the viewfinder.

IIRC, the OICW had or was to have had this type of optic.


That'd be sweet, all right. AFAIK, if it doesn't exist already, it's probably at least possible for drop compensation. The trick is getting the wind measurement gear completely automated and still small enough to fit into a manageable rifle scope.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:04:42 AM EST
the technology for doing all of this exists already. The problem is getting it small enough for a sniper to use.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:12:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By nhsport:
I am all for our soldiers having what they need but somehow I see this turning into one soldier getting some $40000 whiz bang system that needs a crew to keep it running and calibrated vs a dozen soldiers getting a decent serviceable rifle/scope combo .
It just seems that present technology is pretty solid and the money would be better spent on sheer numbers and training (of snipers and spotters)


Your plan is a great for the short term.

I think as a long term plan, research and development is necessary. How many Englishmen like you probably scoffed at the idea of a blackpowder firearms and said, "I think our money is better spent on sheer numbers and training of more long bowmen".

Think about it.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:13:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 11:17:49 AM EST by SJSAMPLE]

Originally Posted By mace:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
The solicitation is for a wind-measuring device. Right now, you range your target with mildots or a LRF (preferred) and the range compensation will pretty much be "on." Then you try to figure out wind.

Imagine a laser range-finder that gave you two numbers: 1. the range, and 2. the net wind to the target.

It would of course measure over the line of sight, not the bullet trajectory, but that would still be much better than what we have now.


Imagine an optic with two dots.
One dot is the LOS (Line of Sight) dot and the other is a dot corrected for wind, range and the bullet's ballistic table.

Click a switch to take the wind and range readings, let the computer calculate the trajectory and POI and super-impose the second dot in the viewfinder.

IIRC, the OICW had or was to have had this type of optic.


That'd be sweet, all right. AFAIK, if it doesn't exist already, it's probably at least possible for drop compensation. The trick is getting the wind measurement gear completely automated and still small enough to fit into a manageable rifle scope.


Unless the reticle (or "rectical", as my arty section chief used to say) was mocked-up, the grenade launcher for the OICW had this feature as part of the airburst requirement.

The FCS incorporates a laser rangefinder, 3X day optic, 3X night/thermal imaging optic, TV mode with CCD camera that can double the effective image magnification day or night, and the microprocessing components. The microprocessing component computes the "full ballistic solution" to destroy a designated target and program the system's primary ammunition: 2Omm high explosive fragmentation grenades. Based on the desired effects on target, the operator can program the FCS to detonate grenades in one of four modes: "Bursting" selects an above ground, 3-5m airburst.


Supporting document HERE
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:22:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
the technology for doing all of this exists already. The problem is getting it small enough for a sniper to use.


So why not use the money to develop larger snipers?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:26:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By pv74:

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By igorthesmall:
They should just hire some arfcommers to take the one shot, most people on here can hit 1/2 inch groups at 1000 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo.


Sights? Who needs 'em?

ETA: Hopefully this will also become a line of products available to the general public.


I just use my thumb to judge the wind...sights are for pussies.

I also have a 15" cock, am eligable to join Mensa, and can make Chuck Norris run home crying to mommy.


And around here you're considered an amateur!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:58:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
the technology for doing all of this exists already. The problem is getting it small enough for a sniper to use.


So why not use the money to develop larger snipers?

There *is* money being spent on genetic engineering.
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