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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:18:59 PM EDT
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I thought it was locked because of all the bitching, moaning, griping and a general lack of anything resembling a conversation.
Sort of like this one..... |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:21:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: I thought it was locked because of all the bitching, moaning, griping and a general lack of anything resembling a conversation. Sort of like this one..... Me too. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:22:18 PM EDT
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I owe ETH NOTHING other than common, human courtesy.
Something you deny me in this post. GOB network? Nothing further from the truth, as you damn well know. Your turn, make it good... |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:22:40 PM EDT
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dont know what happened but.. just let it go..
Im really impressed you refuse to bow down to the Mods ,,, now go ahead and move on.. [argue] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:23:29 PM EDT
[#5]
"Good Ole Boy network"-yikes that has a sexist connotation, I am offended [:O]
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:25:44 PM EDT
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Not going to mention any names, but lets see how long this thread takes to be blanketed by ~75 two-lined replies.
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:26:12 PM EDT
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Read the damned threads to see why I am so angry.
Read the one about the "Illegitimate Babies" to see why I am so furious. Read how some narrow-minded prigs were allowed to insult more than a few of our members here. Then tell ME about "courtesy". |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:29:24 PM EDT
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I just walked in on this out-of control screeching match.
Don't care who's right or wrong. See lots of people out of control, making NO sense 'cause they're so angry. NOT good' Nobody learns anything that way. EVERYBODY COOL OFF! |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:33:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Well then, raf, nothing personal, but perhaps you should read what happened previously before you lock down a thread.
Sometimes, this stuff is quite warranted. And, BTW, just what sort of censure do you all plan to apply to ETH for so abusing his position of power? This time, he insulted decent board members with his narrow views. What is acceptable here, anyway? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:37:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: And, BTW, just what sort of censure do you all plan to apply to ETH for so abusing his position of power? This time, he insulted decent board members with his narrow views. What is acceptable here, anyway? He never did this, you just took it the wrong way. Start a poll and see how many agree with you on this. Better yet, go and re-read what all was posted. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:37:59 PM EDT
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Eric did not insult anyone-he referred to the woman in a photo's child as being a bastard-Kar98 (Hannah's cousin?) took that as being a reference to him (and was obviously wrong) and took offense, demanded that Eric quit as moderator, started a thread complaining about him and so on.
I thinks this is much baloney over nothing. I'm not going to feed the fires of this childishness, but people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:39:09 PM EDT
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Just imagining things, of course, but I imagine nothing's worse than a Nazi-wannabe in tears... Gettin' all that expensive leather wet and all. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=123765[/url] Kinda says it all. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:39:19 PM EDT
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Hannah, I've not yet had the time to look into the posts you've referred to.
Even if I should find ETH (or YOU) culpable, I could do nothing. That's a job for somebody on staff or admin. I'm not a judge, just a traffic cop. If your problem is that severe, you ought to e-mail GB or one of the Admins or Staff. I'm just here to keep the peace. That's all. NOT taking sides, don't know enough to. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:40:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well then, raf, nothing personal, but perhaps you should read what happened previously before you lock down a thread. Sometimes, this stuff is quite warranted. And, BTW, just what sort of censure do you all plan to apply to ETH for so abusing his position of power? This time, he insulted decent board members with his narrow views. What is acceptable here, anyway? HR, perhaps if YOU read the thread |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:40:55 PM EDT
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No, ILL, no poll......what was said, stands.
At least 4 board members, (and probably more), were called bad names for something that was out of their control today, by some narrow minded religious fanatic. "Visiting the sins of the parents upon the children". And not you, nor any of ETH's little minions can erase that. I want justice for bad behavior by a Mod. That's all. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:48:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: No, ILL, no poll......what was said, stands. At least 4 board members, (and probably more), were called bad names for something that was out of their control today, by some narrow minded religious fanatic. I have communicated with two of those members on (and off) of the Board this evening, and neither of them are upset with anything ETH said. Your rage is not shared. Using the Biblical term for a child born out of wedlock is no condemnation on the child. No child is guilty for the poor choices of the parents. There are more significant windmills to tilt at. Christ, I suppose I can't refer to female canines as "bitches" anymore without you going apeshit wild. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:50:14 PM EDT
[#17]
I certainly hope you are not calling me "ETH's little minion"
So far, I've tried to maintain a "professional" demeanor. If you want, I could change that. Real quick. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:57:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: I have communicated with two of those members on (and off) of the Board this evening, and neither of them are upset with anything ETH said. Your rage is not shared. Well, you could have communicated with me, my e-mail is in the profile, and I certainly was outraged. Now that makes 2:2, doesn't it? Calling anybody ho', jackass, bastard, etc. is being [i]moderate[/i]? I certainly didn't notice the term "bastard" being a term of endearment whenever it was used the last couple of months. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:58:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just walked in on this out-of control screeching match. The only one [i]screeching[/i] insults that I remember was ERIC. Read my posts again, and you'll notice that they are written in the calmest tone of voice one could possibly imagine. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:58:42 PM EDT
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Raf, I was not referring to you as a "minion".
As a a matter of fact, you are utterly irrelevant to this whole topic, other than that you locked it without bothering to see what had happened beforehand. And Beekeeper, I have never minded the term "bitch" when used appropriately. You damned well know that. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:00:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: Quoted: I have communicated with two of those members on (and off) of the Board this evening, and neither of them are upset with anything ETH said. Your rage is not shared. Well, you could have communicated with me, my e-mail is in the profile, and I certainly was outraged. Now that makes 2:2, doesn't it? Calling anybody ho', jackass, bastard, etc. is being [i]moderate[/i]? I certainly didn't notice the term "bastard" being a term of endearment whenever it was used the last couple of months. Sounds like an even split to me. Y'all got a serious problem, take it upstairs to Staff or Admin. Apparently y'all won't listen to me... |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:01:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Christ, I suppose I can't refer to female canines as "bitches" anymore without you going apeshit wild. [rolleyes] The topic wasn't "canine females", and it wasn't animals being insulted, but AMERICAN MOTHERS. Now I don't care what YOU call YOUR mother, but I bet she wouldn't appreciate being called names like that. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:03:17 PM EDT
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Post from Hannah_Reitsch -
My point, oh self righteous bickerer, is that you felt free to insult those born out of wedlock, although you admitted causing a "near-miss" yourself. 'Bastard', Hannah, is a legal term. Period. Look in the nearest Black's Law Dictionary. It has been that way throughout the ages, and some new fangled ideas about how both women and men should comport themselves when it comes to raising children will not alter it one damn little bit! And by using your pathetic dictionary attempts at German, you called Kar some very filthy names without knowing or caring how personal your insults might be. I called [b]Kar98[/b] nothing of the sort! Is that what [b]Kar98[/b] believes, or is this your own thoughts? Let [b]Kar98[/b] tell me whether he believes I called him a 'bastard' or not! I won't hear it from you! And yes, a distant cousin can be a friend, DUH! That's precisely why I asked, DUH![:D] Along the way, you also denigrated some other board members, due to your peculiar and self righteous ideas. Can you give me a list of those members names so that I might personally apologize to each and every one of them? BTW, what was it that I was supposed to have called them? And insofar as my ideas being peculiar and self-righteous, I cannot think of any state in this Union that does not distinguish between the rights of a legitimate child and those of an illegitimate child. So hardly peculiar! Self-righteous? Hannah you are a jerk, when I determined that I may have offended [b]Kar98[/b] by what I had said, and how he had interpreted it, I immediately apologized, and told him something of my own personal life to make him feel more at ease! That's how we do things down here in Texas! As you may hopefully, after swallowing some Teutonic anti-insolance pills to cure you of what ails you, might one day learn! I assume that 'Es tut mir leid' still means I'm sorry in my poor dictionary German, huh? Once again, summon [b]Kar98[/b] to speak for himself in this regard! I have no faith in [u]your[/u] rendition of how he feels! You should immediately resign your moderatorship, due to having, knowingly or not, violated board rules. How so? Let me hear this! And, as nice as I have tried to be about your dogmatic beliefs, you obviously deserve no more respect for tham than to be called "Xtian". G-Man, and a few others, deserve the title of Christian. You, are merely an Xtian, Eric. Don't bother any longer. Your 'niceness' was rather thin, if it was there at all. BTW, you are simply going to love East Texas! They are my kind of people! Be sure and explain to one and all the differences between Christian and Xtian! They'll get a real hoot outta that![:D] Eric The(YeeeHaaawww!)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:05:21 PM EDT
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Well I'm pretty new on here with only 130+post (I lurked for about a year, but didn’t need any more vices at the time). I have not yet seen the thread that E.T.H. allegedly insulted other members. I personally believe that type of behavior would be out of character for him. I have read a lot posts he has participated in and believe he has always contributed something worthwhile to a topic. Now I don't know E.T.H. from Genghis Khan, but I do think of him as an asset to the AR15 community. Well I am off to read this controversial thread….
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:05:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: you locked it without bothering to see what had happened beforehand. As a Moderator, I reserve the right to butt in and piss on a fire when I see one. Afterwards, we can all sort it out. After the fire is out. But you're quite right; I'm ignorant of this whole mess. Now, if YOU ALL will let it go for tonight, I'll look into the matter. Better yet, ask someone who's an Admin of Staff to scope it out. I'm just a peon around here. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:07:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Read the damned threads to see why I am so angry. Read the one about the "Illegitimate Babies" to see why I am so furious. Read how some narrow-minded prigs were allowed to insult more than a few of our members here. Then tell ME about "courtesy". [center][size=6][red][b]Issues[/b][/red][/size=6][/center] [img]http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/assets/Rabid.jpg[/img] Issues has an issue and she wants it to be everyone's issue. The discussion could be about fondue pots and Issue would rage about the multinational corporate conspiracy to exploit fondue pot workers. Of course, Issues is found among all ideological persuasions - anti-gun mothers, gun totin' mothers, bloodthirsty feminists, troglodyte misogynists, politically correct, politically incorrect, lefties, righties, vegetarians, carnivores, radical Rotarians - it doesn't matter. [b]HINT:[/b] An effective tactic to employ against Issues is indifference. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:09:37 PM EDT
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Look, it's easy, Eric, all you have to do is to say something along the lines of "I am sorry, I went way over the line calling members of this board jackass and similar terms, and I am now aware that it is quite inappropriate to call American mothers ho', bitch, or their children 'bastard'. I see the error of my ways, and will try to be more [i]moderate[/i] in the future."
How is this? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:10:08 PM EDT
[#28]
[sleep]
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:11:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Quoted: I have communicated with two of those members on (and off) of the Board this evening, and neither of them are upset with anything ETH said. Your rage is not shared. Well, you could have communicated with me, my e-mail is in the profile, and I certainly was outraged. Now that makes 2:2, doesn't it? Calling anybody ho', jackass, bastard, etc. is being [i]moderate[/i]? I certainly didn't notice the term "bastard" being a term of endearment whenever it was used the last couple of months. I did not initiate the off-Board e-mail. It only involved one of the gentlemen. The other is public and on the thread. Perhaps I am wrong, but I did not see ETH call you names. He inquired what the correct German word for "bastard" is, and you explained it. I did not see (again, I could have missed it) any insults hurled at you. As I said before, you are not responsible for the choices of your parents, if you were born out of wedlock. No one, including ETH, would have known that, if you had not made the fact known. How could he insult you over something he could not have known? You say: I certainly didn't notice the term "bastard" being a term of endearment whenever it was used the last couple of months. and it really sounds as though you are personalizing things that are not aimed at you. I despise modern psycho-babble, but it sounds as though you have "issues" that you are bringing her that the rest of us have no way of being aware of, or avoiding, or "handling with kid gloves." We all stand on our own here, regardless of parental lineage. This sure seems like misunderstanding more than true grievance. You are, however, entitled to that. One thing you both (you and Hannah) perhaps need to be reminded of is that Moderators are just members who agree to contribute to the Board |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:11:43 PM EDT
[#30]
Like sands through the hour-glass---These are the days of our lives.
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:11:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well I'm pretty new on here with only 130+post (I lurked for about a year, but didn’t need any more vices at the time). I have not yet seen the thread that E.T.H. allegedly insulted other members. I personally believe that type of behavior would be out of character for him. I have read a lot posts he has participated in and believe he has always contributed something worthwhile to a topic. Now I don't know E.T.H. from Genghis Khan, but I do think of him as an asset to the AR15 community. Well I am off to read this controversial thread…. How about somebody giving me a link to this thread in question????!!!! At the BEGINNING??? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:12:24 PM EDT
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Post from Kar98 -
Well, you could have communicated with me, my e-mail is in the profile, and I certainly was outraged. It's finally nice to hear from you, Sir! So, my apology was insufficient, I take it? That's what Hannah's been saying, is that what you believe? I think I have explained this sufficiently. My German may be lamentable, but your English seems quite capable of understanding this: Do you think that I purposefully called you or any other member on this Board a name? A bad name? I await your answer on this. In the meanwhile: Calling anybody ho', jackass, bastard, etc. is being moderate? I certainly didn't notice the term "bastard" being a term of endearment whenever it was used the last couple of months. Ho, jackass, bastard, are certainly not terms of endearment, but I was not under the impression that by becoming a Moderator I was giving up my right of free speech. I surely have let others speak of me in any way they wished! Have I ever locked one of your threads? Have I ever deleted any of your posts? Have I ever taken any actions against you whatsoever? I await your answer on that, as well. Eric The(Patient)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:14:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: ... I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] [img]http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/schumer.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:15:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Let us just all agree that this little spat is all about Eric's support of Israel.
I never thought I would quote Imbroglio. Just stop it childrenz. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:18:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: How about somebody giving me a link to this thread in question????!!!! At the BEGINNING??? [url=]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=123675[/url] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:19:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ... I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] [img]http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/schumer.jpg[/img] Truer words were NEVER spoken. Compared to what Chuckie Schumer's done, and what he wants to do, what's happened here tonight seems insignificant, No? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:19:21 PM EDT
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I just picked up on this thread after work today, and I don't get the outrage.
Having a child outside the bounds of matrimony creates a "bastard", textbook definition. I believe that the term was originally intended for the purpose of defining paternity for the purpose of inheritances and the subsequent distribition thereof. No one is blaming the child for the poor reproductive choices of the parents. In my read and reread of the posts, admittedly just my interpretation as a Native English speaker, I fail to see anyone being personally assailed with that word. The mother (and father, be he known), were subjected to some generalizations about their character. Several people have volunteered personal information about their status. None were attacked there either, to my knowledge. The child's birth as a bastard is no more their fault than being adopted, and I am sure that many here were raised by adoptive parents as well. Are people here getting a bit overly sensitive? This topic has been pretty thoroughly flailed with a lot of righteous indignation. Can't we all just get along? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:19:28 PM EDT
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Ahemmmm
[img]http://www.midol.com/images/home_r10_c2_f2.gif[/img] edited to add....in case anyone was wondering ....YES my wife did just slap me up side the head for posting this. Damn I love that woman. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:20:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: How about somebody giving me a link to this thread in question????!!!! At the BEGINNING??? [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=123675[/url] You're welcome! [:D] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:21:02 PM EDT
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My panties are in a knot.
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:21:18 PM EDT
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X marks the spot
X= the unknown value Mr. X the unknown the non existent X the substitute place holder for the unknown value Christmas becomes XMAS for those who wish to replace Christ and assign him the unknown value or the assign Him the non existant name.. As Xtian becomes those who believe in nothing or the X value as Christ is removed even from that faith.. Its an anti-christ sort of a thang... As the words JEDEM DAS SEINE proudly proclaim the way to Buchenwald the infamous Nazi Death Camp...where millions of Jews were butchered and burned by the Nazis...of course unless you are of the Holocaust denial school? [url]http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL32R/BUCH04.HTM[/url] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:23:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Let us just all agree that this little spat is all about Eric's support of Israel. True enough. It isn't about what ETH said in those posts in question or else Hannah would be pissing down her leg about Raf's post. You would think we would have better topics to discuss and bicker over like ensuring the AWB does not renew but we as gun owners just can't seem to get it together. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:24:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ... I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] [img]http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/schumer.jpg[/img] How come [b]everyone[/b], even the "King Bastard" smiles when shooting? [:D] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:25:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] The People's Front of Judaea? ;) I'm cool, man. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:27:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: As the words JEDEM DAS SEINE proudly proclaim the way to Buchenwald the infamous Nazi Death Camp...where millions of Jews were butchered and burned by the Nazis...of course unless you are of the Holocaust denial school? [url]http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL32R/BUCH04.HTM[/url] |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:27:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] [img]http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/schumer.jpg[/img] How come [b]everyone[/b], even the "King Bastard" smiles when shooting? [:D] I wonder if the Tec9 jammed on him ? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:28:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... I hope this can all be resolved and we can get back to hating our true enemies. [:)] [img]http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/schumer.jpg[/img] Truer words were NEVER spoken. Compared to what Chuckie Schumer's done, and what he wants to do, what's happened here tonight seems insignificant, No? Is it bad to feel the intense urge to kill every time I see the evil grin on his face in that picture? |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:29:03 PM EDT
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Maynard:
The "pissing down the leg" thing is a violation of board rules and a personal petty attack. I don't piss down my leg over ANYTHING, as anyone who knows me could well tell you. Cool it with the petty bullshit attacks. You have no idea who you are talking about. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:31:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Maynard: The "pissing down the leg" thing is a violation of board rules and a personal petty attack. I don't piss down my leg over ANYTHING, as anyone who knows me could well tell you. Cool it with the petty bullshit attacks. You have no idea who you are talking about. I see quite a few personal attacks directed at you in this thread. Where's DonR when you need him. |
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Posted: 6/11/2002 5:33:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Let us just all agree that this little spat is all about Eric's support of Israel. I never thought I would quote Imbroglio. Just stop it childrenz. |
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