List of non-gougers....for after the hype has died down

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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:05:49 PM EDT

I didn't see another topic about this, but how about making a list of those companies that are NOT gouging

Palmetto State Armory is one that I've seen time and time again NOT gouging prices

Midway USA as well seems to be keeping prices reasonable

Rock River Arms and Brownells too

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:18:53 AM EDT

[#1]

I avoid the EE section it is actually worse than GB.

I am watching ton's of auctions just rolling of with no bids, the prices are starting to come down and/or the gouger's are not getting what they want.

I think a 20 to 25% increase is reasonable for the actual manufacturer's, but that's about it.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:21:43 AM EDT

[#2]

Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:23:55 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

List of non gouger's .....

Everyone......

I guess there is hidden meaning or early morning troll attempts.

It's fact that people are buying from vendor's with no limit, or using multiple venues to get product and flip it right back to the gun community, who else would know were to get these deals, and how to profit off of them. Joe blow off the street doesn't just say "I think I am gonna buy 20 stripped lowers today" Its the gun community, basically fucking the gun community.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:25:48 AM EDT

[#4]

ok...let me clarify

I'd like to begin compling a list of those companies that are still selling items for at or near pre-panic prices, those who are not taking advantage of the media hype and the increased demand created thereby

is that better? :)

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:28:09 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
ok...let me clarify

I'd like to begin compling a list of those companies that are still selling items for at or near pre-panic prices, those who are not taking advantage of the media hype and the increased demand created thereby

is that better? :)

It's not the manufacturers though unless you count pieces of shit like Aero, but most places are selling at a reasonable increase, its the assholes who come to a place like this and buy it up in quantity and sell it right back to us. Until idiots stop spending $400 on lowers, etc... the prices will stay panic.

I have bought 3 complete uppers from Palmetto during the panic and they were all under $400, to me that is a good deal. Go look on GB or EE and see the same item for sale for more than double.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:29:07 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

List of non gouger's .....

Everyone......

I guess there is hidden meaning or early morning troll attempts.

It's not a troll attempt at all, and no hidden meaning. Even if one believes in gouging, and I believe that only communists do, raising price on a low supply, high demand item like firearms parts and accessories could ONLY be considered gouging if you would be in grave danger without it at that time.

No one gouged. Free market capitalists raised prices on low supply-high demand items, and for reasons you obviously don't understand. You don't sell at what it cost to buy the item you have in stock, you sell at what it will possibly cost to replace that item with new stock, that way, you don't go out of business due to lack of product. Small businesses, and most gun businesses are small, generally don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank to cover expenses, they need to be moving product. Hard to do if you don't have it.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:32:19 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

List of non gouger's .....

Everyone......

I guess there is hidden meaning or early morning troll attempts.

It's not a troll attempt at all, and no hidden meaning. Even if one believes in gouging, and I believe that only communists do, raising price on a low supply, high demand item like firearms parts and accessories could ONLY be considered gouging if you would be in grave danger without it at that time.

No one gouged. Free market capitalists raised prices on low supply-high demand items, and for reasons you obviously don't understand. You don't sell at what it cost to buy the item you have in stock, you sell at what it will possibly cost to replace that item with new stock, that way, you don't go out of business due to lack of product. Small businesses, and most gun businesses are small, generally don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank to cover expenses, they need to be moving product. Hard to do if you don't have it.

It's funny because the day I got one of my complete uppers I started checking GB and EE, and low and behold it seems like other people got their orders in. While mine went on a gun that I was building they were selling them for more than double the buying price...that is gouging.

I live in a hurricane state, its painfully obvious to see the difference. If midway would have increased all their items 50%+ I would agree with you, but that is not the case. It is the people who pretend to be part of a community to help each other out, but when in reality they are just fucking the one's who truly need.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:36:32 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

List of non gouger's .....

Everyone......

I guess there is hidden meaning or early morning troll attempts.

It's not a troll attempt at all, and no hidden meaning. Even if one believes in gouging, and I believe that only communists do, raising price on a low supply, high demand item like firearms parts and accessories could ONLY be considered gouging if you would be in grave danger without it at that time.

No one gouged. Free market capitalists raised prices on low supply-high demand items, and for reasons you obviously don't understand. You don't sell at what it cost to buy the item you have in stock, you sell at what it will possibly cost to replace that item with new stock, that way, you don't go out of business due to lack of product. Small businesses, and most gun businesses are small, generally don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank to cover expenses, they need to be moving product. Hard to do if you don't have it.

Ok...then why don't I re-word it for you

A list of companies that are NOT raising their prices on normal supply (the supply chain hasn't changed), hyped demand products in order to increase their profit margin during a time which is difficult at best for their customers.

has the price of raw materials increased? What about the cost of labor, shipping, etc?

Why is it that some companies can sell for so much cheaper (250 for a polymer lower? Really? Has the price of plastic increased that much?) while others can keep their prices at or near the pre-hype prices?

Do you think that PSA is taking a 150 dollar loss on each polymer lower that they sold the other day?

I don't want to get into a debate concerning the ethics of raising prices on your customers to turn a higher profit...all I wanted to do is compile a list of companies that have NOT done so in the past month....

if you don't like that, then please feel free to not participate in the compilation.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:39:04 AM EDT

[#9]

From Quantico Tactical's website:
Quantico Tactical remains committed to our customers and refused to jack-up prices to gouge our customers.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:42:11 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here's a list of non gougers.

Everyone.

List of non gouger's .....

Everyone......

I guess there is hidden meaning or early morning troll attempts.

It's not a troll attempt at all, and no hidden meaning. Even if one believes in gouging, and I believe that only communists do, raising price on a low supply, high demand item like firearms parts and accessories could ONLY be considered gouging if you would be in grave danger without it at that time.

No one gouged. Free market capitalists raised prices on low supply-high demand items, and for reasons you obviously don't understand. You don't sell at what it cost to buy the item you have in stock, you sell at what it will possibly cost to replace that item with new stock, that way, you don't go out of business due to lack of product. Small businesses, and most gun businesses are small, generally don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank to cover expenses, they need to be moving product. Hard to do if you don't have it.

Ok...then why don't I re-word it for you

A list of companies that are NOT raising their prices on normal supply (the supply chain hasn't changed), hyped demand products in order to increase their profit margin during a time which is difficult at best for their customers.

has the price of raw materials increased? What about the cost of labor, shipping, etc?

Why is it that some companies can sell for so much cheaper (250 for a polymer lower? Really? Has the price of plastic increased that much?) while others can keep their prices at or near the pre-hype prices?

Do you think that PSA is taking a 150 dollar loss on each polymer lower that they sold the other day?

I don't want to get into a debate concerning the ethics of raising prices on your customers to turn a higher profit...all I wanted to do is compile a list of companies that have NOT done so in the past month....

if you don't like that, then please feel free to not participate in the compilation.

lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:44:01 AM EDT

[#11]

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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:48:17 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
It's funny because the day I got one of my complete uppers I started checking GB and EE, and low and behold it seems like other people got their orders in. While mine went on a gun that I was building they were selling them for more than double the buying price...that is gouging.

That example is definitely the problem, and the only cure is for the legitimate suppliers to be putting enough product in the market to make that kind of nonsense unprofitable. That may not happen for a while unfortunately.

I'm kind of on the fence about normal manufacturers and suppliers raising prices, like Aero did with the lowers. They likely saw their products being snatched up by the dozens from people only wanting to flip them and made a call that makes sense in that regard, but ticks a lot of people off.

Another good example was the Joe Bob Outfitters cera plated BCG's from last week. They dumped a ton of those out at a decent price only to see many of them relisted somewhere else for double or more. JBO isn't in the business of being a wholesale supplier to some jerkoff sitting in his basement with no actual business/expenses/overhead and being an opportunist selling the stuff for double. If they had another batch of them this week, I can't say I would blame them for selling them at $299.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:51:15 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It's funny because the day I got one of my complete uppers I started checking GB and EE, and low and behold it seems like other people got their orders in. While mine went on a gun that I was building they were selling them for more than double the buying price...that is gouging.

That example is definitely the problem, and the only cure is for the legitimate suppliers to be putting enough product in the market to make that kind of nonsense unprofitable. That may not happen for a while unfortunately.

I'm kind of on the fence about normal manufacturers and suppliers raising prices, like Aero did with the lowers. They likely saw their products being snatched up by the dozens from people only wanting to flip them and made a call that makes sense in that regard, but ticks a lot of people off.

Another good example was the Joe Bob Outfitters cera plated BCG's from last week. They dumped a ton of those out at a decent price only to see many of them relisted somewhere else for double or more. JBO isn't in the business of being a wholesale supplier to some jerkoff sitting in his basement with no actual business/expenses/overhead and being an opportunist selling the stuff for double. If they had another batch of them this week, I can't say I would blame them for selling them at $299.

That's what I am saying Aero went 100% over asking price, that is too much and they are a piece of shit in my mind.

But some places are just increasing 20 to 25% and I can see that, that is not unreasonable in these times, its the actual gun enthusiast and people in the community taking advantage of the deals that are out there and raping the same people they talk to everyday. It's point blank obvious, just go read EE look at user names, then watch them post. Asking $500 for a bolt carrier that you know they paid $200 for... come on. The list goes on and on....

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:53:20 AM EDT

[#14]

I have my friend going to the gun show again today to hunt out any chrome gas keys for a bunch of us that picked up those clearance ones from brownells, and guess what I am going to give it to them for what I paid if they have any left, there lies the difference. More product going out, for normal prices through vendor and consumer.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:57:38 AM EDT

[#15]

Here you go Shooter. With all that crying you're doing, You probably need this.

Posted: 1/20/2013 5:59:27 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Here you go Shooter. With all that crying you're doing, You probably need this.
http://mothersalwaysright.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kleenex-facial-tissue.jpg

That is exactly what you do when you get put in your place and have jack shit to say.

You're done speaking now lol. Trust I am out the thread now I was hoping you would pull a bitch card like that.

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:03:16 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

ummm.....I think you have me confused with Dan (misquoting perhaps? at least I HOPE you have me confused, since it appears that you and I agree on this topic) I'm AGAINST the gouging that's going on...retailers AND the people buying as many as they can then jacking the price up on EE or GB

I'm more than happy to debate with you or Dan

but first, Dan would have to back up his contention that the cost to the distributors has more than doubled (but only for some of them)

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:03:28 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here you go Shooter. With all that crying you're doing, You probably need this.
http://mothersalwaysright.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kleenex-facial-tissue.jpg

That is exactly what you do when you get put in your place and have jack shit to say.

You're done speaking now lol. Trust I am out the thread now I was hoping you would pull a bitch card like that.

Are you 12? I have plenty to say, but you're not worth a pit thread. One day, hopefully you'll grow out of communism and become a capitalist, until then, have fun crying Komrade.

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:07:34 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
ok...let me clarify

I'd like to begin compling a list of those companies that are still selling items for at or near pre-panic prices, those who are not taking advantage of the media hype and the increased demand created thereby

is that better? :)

It's not the manufacturers though unless you count pieces of shit like Aero, but most places are selling at a reasonable increase, its the assholes who come to a place like this and buy it up in quantity and sell it right back to us. Until idiots stop spending $400 on lowers, etc... the prices will stay panic.

I have bought 3 complete uppers from Palmetto during the panic and they were all under $400, to me that is a good deal. Go look on GB or EE and see the same item for sale for more than double.

I don't think 250 for a lower receiver that went for 100 bucks a month ago is a reasonable increase though.

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:12:56 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

ummm.....I think you have me confused with Dan (misquoting perhaps? at least I HOPE you have me confused, since it appears that you and I agree on this topic) I'm AGAINST the gouging that's going on...retailers AND the people buying as many as they can then jacking the price up on EE or GB

I'm more than happy to debate with you or Dan

but first, Dan would have to back up his contention that the cost to the distributors has more than doubled (but only for some of them)

I didn't say that it had, I said it might, and they have to be financially prepared for it. If nothing else, they have to cover in the even of an 'out'. (retail term for being out of stock). One of my local gun store didn't raise prices until 90% of it's stock was gone. They've laid two people off now. Their distributor has almost no product, and has raised all prices. There are reasons for raising prices aside from supply, but anticipated cost raises from suppliers are one.

Are their people flipping products for a profit? Absolutely. Are people stupid for paying it, pretty much. Throughout all this mess, I've continued to buy lowers and mags, and haven't paid a dime more than I would have prior. I own a business that depends on firearms industry vendors, I'm tied in with several shops for business partnerships and hear it from them. No only likes having to pay $400 for a lower, but if you want an instock lower to ship today, that's the price the market dictates. If no one raised their prices like that, anyone needing a lower would be SOL, unless they have time to watch the internet like a hawk.

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:22:50 AM EDT

[#21]

How come no one is bitching about gas prices ? You don't think that is gouging ? Gas has risen over $2 per gallon in the last 6 years or so, and never came down. All because people pay those prices, so there is no need to lower prices.

Posted: 1/20/2013 7:23:04 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
The obvious and excellent companies so far. Not all, just a start:

PSA
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
SKD
AIM
IWC
Joe Bobs
DSG
BCM
Spikes

The Turds:

CTD ... not surprising
SA&A.... surprised and disappointed

This is the sort of information I wanted to compile....so those of us who want to support the companies that did NOT raise their prices can more readily do so

Posted: 1/20/2013 7:53:25 AM EDT

[#23]

would you be surprised to find some of those companies also selling on gunbroker.

Posted: 1/20/2013 8:12:09 AM EDT

[#24]

All it takes to bring prices back down is for people to stop buying at high prices, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

Posted: 1/20/2013 8:27:41 AM EDT

[#25]

People cry gouging when they are not getting parts at the price they expect to pay. That does not fit the fit the definition of price gouging. As Americans we live in a free market society where supply is priced accordingly to meet demand (for now anyway). Shooter is correct in his postings.

Posted: 1/20/2013 8:43:09 AM EDT

[#26]

Aero Precision. I really liked this company until they got greedy with their lowers. It wasn't even about the price. Many were willing to pay the $150 and $12.50 shipping even after they went up from $99. I was willing to pay the increase given the circumstances. I and many others had $150 lowers in their cart and checking out when they took down the site, showed out of stock, then a few minutes later stock magically reappeared and the price was now $200 with $30 "shipping". If they were $200 in the first place, I might have gotten one, but they got greedy and pissed people off.

Give the socialist and communist crap a rest. The reality is that if a customer perceives a company as price gouging, then the company IS price gouging. Perception is EVERYTHING in retail. Most companies rely on repeat business and happy customers in order to stay in business. If a customer thinks they are being taken advantage of and doesn't give return business then the retailer not only loses that customer, but that customer will tell more potential customers to stay away. Most successful companies bend over backward to keep their customers happy, because it costs more to attract new customers than to keep repeat customers. I see quite a few people that need to take a business ethics class....capitalism is not just getting all the money you can and screwing the customer. It is about making profit in a free market and that means the customer is free to choose where they spend their money.

Sure, right now the market may bear hyper-inflated prices and bad customer service, but it won't last. Months down the road when the AWB doesn't happen and things return to more or less normal, most intelligent people will remember their purchasing experience (good and bad) and support companies who they feel didn't take advantage of a bad situation.

Posted: 1/20/2013 9:40:30 AM EDT

[#27]

Add PK Firearms to the list of non-gougers.

Posted: 1/20/2013 9:40:59 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
People cry gouging when they are not getting parts at the price they expect to pay. That does not fit the fit the definition of price gouging. As Americans we live in a free market society where supply is priced accordingly to meet demand (for now anyway). Shooter is correct in his postings.

Ok...then what would you replace "gouging" with....knowing that the wholesale price didn't double or triple....and knowing that the supply didn't drop...and knowing that there are some companies that did NOT increase their prices to take advantage of the situation?

Posted: 1/20/2013 9:47:57 AM EDT

[#29]

I think the point of this post was not necessarily to debate the merits of capitalism and the free market as much as it was to commend those retailers who are attempting to maintain some semblance of restraint and normalcy in the market. What keeps some of us here from spending $450 on a lower is the comfort of knowing that Brownells and Midway and Aim etc. . . are attempting to maintain their lower prices on products for future orders. If we saw ALL of these companies raising their prices for backordered parts to GB or EE kind of prices, people would REALLY panic! That would further feed the hysteria and lowers would be $600 on GB. I just finished a build yesterday and was proud of the fact that other than the fact that I paid $250 for a lower and $100 for a LPK in late Dec, I bought everything at retail prices from Midway or AIM and just waited, it took restraint, but I waited and those companies came through for me at fair prices. Things are out of control on GB, but I have noticed that in the last few days or so, that there are a lot more listings being ignored at last weeks obnoxious prices. In my opinion that is a direct result of some of the people actually getting products in the mail at fair prices from retailers, and realizing the world is not going to end for us tomorrow. Some of these retailers are being smart and realizing that if everyone spends $1000 on a stripped lower, stripped upper and bcg, there is going to be a long period of nobody buying the rest of the stuff we need and want, because we are all broke and have unfinished builds and are bitter as hell.

Posted: 1/20/2013 9:57:17 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
All it takes to bring prices back down is for people to stop buying at high prices, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

I disagree with you. I am willing to bet and by some of the post on here that allot of these purchases have been done with credit cards.. Americas go to way to purchase shit. Those bills we be coming due and I think allot of this stuff is gonna flood the market in a couple months when the choice is to pay the bill or the rent\house payment. The quantities some are buying will be quite a burden of a bill if you haven't planned for or have an extra income to pay for it. Also I will be waiting to take advantage of some of these deals.

Posted: 1/20/2013 9:59:18 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I think the point of this post was not necessarily to debate the merits of capitalism and the free market as much as it was to commend those retailers who are attempting to maintain some semblance of restraint and normalcy in the market. What keeps some of us here from spending $450 on a lower is the comfort of knowing that Brownells and Midway and Aim etc. . . are attempting to maintain their lower prices on products for future orders. If we saw ALL of these companies raising their prices for backordered parts to GB or EE kind of prices, people would REALLY panic! That would further feed the hysteria and lowers would be $600 on GB. I just finished a build yesterday and was proud of the fact that other than the fact that I paid $250 for a lower and $100 for a LPK in late Dec, I bought everything at retail prices from Midway or AIM and just waited, it took restraint, but I waited and those companies came through for me at fair prices. Things are out of control on GB, but I have noticed that in the last few days or so, that there are a lot more listings being ignored at last weeks obnoxious prices. In my opinion that is a direct result of some of the people actually getting products in the mail at fair prices from retailers, and realizing the world is not going to end for us tomorrow. Some of these retailers are being smart and realizing that if everyone spends $1000 on a stripped lower, stripped upper and bcg, there is going to be a long period of nobody buying the rest of the stuff we need and want, because we are all broke and have unfinished builds and are bitter as hell.

Exactly...

Since there ARE companies not raising their prices...that tells me that it's highly likely that the cost to the retailers/distributors hasn't gone up enough to account for the increased retail prices...

yes...demand HAS gone up...no question about it...but why not recognize and reward those companies that have NOT taken advantage of the situation?

Posted: 1/20/2013 10:35:46 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
All it takes to bring prices back down is for people to stop buying at high prices, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

I disagree with you. I am willing to bet and by some of the post on here that allot of these purchases have been done with credit cards.. Americas go to way to purchase shit. Those bills we be coming due and I think allot of this stuff is gonna flood the market in a couple months when the choice is to pay the bill or the rent\house payment. The quantities some are buying will be quite a burden of a bill if you haven't planned for or have an extra income to pay for it. Also I will be waiting to take advantage of some of these deals.

I hope you're right.

Posted: 1/20/2013 10:45:10 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

ummm.....I think you have me confused with Dan (misquoting perhaps? at least I HOPE you have me confused, since it appears that you and I agree on this topic) I'm AGAINST the gouging that's going on...retailers AND the people buying as many as they can then jacking the price up on EE or GB

I'm more than happy to debate with you or Dan

but first, Dan would have to back up his contention that the cost to the distributors has more than doubled (but only for some of them)

I didn't say that it had, I said it might, and they have to be financially prepared for it. If nothing else, they have to cover in the even of an 'out'. (retail term for being out of stock). One of my local gun store didn't raise prices until 90% of it's stock was gone. They've laid two people off now. Their distributor has almost no product, and has raised all prices. There are reasons for raising prices aside from supply, but anticipated cost raises from suppliers are one.

Are their people flipping products for a profit? Absolutely. Are people stupid for paying it, pretty much. Throughout all this mess, I've continued to buy lowers and mags, and haven't paid a dime more than I would have prior. I own a business that depends on firearms industry vendors, I'm tied in with several shops for business partnerships and hear it from them. No only likes having to pay $400 for a lower, but if you want an instock lower to ship today, that's the price the market dictates. If no one raised their prices like that, anyone needing a lower would be SOL, unless they have time to watch the internet like a hawk.

It's really funny hearing the armchair wannabe economists spout gibberish when this comes up. What the original poster is doing is just as much a free market concept as what is happening right now with pricing. The original poster is simply attempting to influence demand in the market by garnering support for companies with pricing strategies that he agrees with. It's the old adage of speaking with your wallet. When you use terms like "communism", you are inferring that the author is suggesting the government should step in and invoke some sort of pricing controls. I feel pretty comfortable that is not what is being suggested here.

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:25:40 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The obvious and excellent companies so far. Not all, just a start:

PSA
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
SKD
AIM
IWC
Joe Bobs
DSG
BCM
Spikes

The Turds:

CTD ... not surprising
SA&A.... surprised and disappointed

Since Spikes was the first company to raise prices in 08, at what point in time do companies get forgiveness?

I agree that Spikes was on the Turd list in '08. But the list above references the here and now. Nothing else.

Since then Spikes' customer service and quality, not to mention their innovation in designs has been A+. Live and learn.

I expected nothing less from CTD and definitely more from Surplus Arms.
When things cool down we'll have a better view of the vendors who took advantage of the situation.

ARFCOM members and many AR Vendors have a close working relationship.
As many on this forum are aware it is very easy to communicate directly with the owners of these companies and who take feedback quite seriously. They realize that ARFCOM, while not 100% of the market is none the less a major voice in this market.

Yes, I believe strongly in capitalism, but capitalism works both ways.
Two examples:
DSG..... keep prices normal and fair, well knowing the current situation is temporary while looking to future growth.
CTD...... raise prices, "get it while you can" attitude. We'll lose a few customers but there are always more.

Loyalty is a two way street and raising prices to make a quick buck in a panic situation is an extremely poor business model. Actions have consequences.

DSG for one has been exemplary and will continue to receive my dollar, CTD.... not so much

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:35:15 AM EDT

[#35]

red x arms
psa
cmt tactical

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:42:09 AM EDT

[#36]

copes

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:46:35 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How come no one is bitching about gas prices ? You don't think that is gouging ? Gas has risen over $2 per gallon in the last 6 years or so, and never came down. All because people pay those prices, so there is no need to lower prices.

the profit on gas isn't as high as you'd think. It's not as if the gas companies are making 2 bucks a gallon...

a large percentage of the cost of gasoline is taxes and regulation (summer blends, winter blends, etc)

but gas prices could be lowered by increasing refinery capacity (which no one wants in their own backyard)...as well as by increasing crude production, thereby lowering the raw material costs

Well, actually gas /oil prices have risen more to quantitative easing than supply and demand.
Printing funny money to the tune of 40 billion a month with nothing to back it up has those "consequences" thing again.
A barrel of oils' price is based on the dollar, the more money that gets printed makes the dollar go down in value, ( the devaluation of the dollar) but makes the price of the barrel of oil go up.

I know kind of a simple explanation.

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:50:20 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

ummm.....I think you have me confused with Dan (misquoting perhaps? at least I HOPE you have me confused, since it appears that you and I agree on this topic) I'm AGAINST the gouging that's going on...retailers AND the people buying as many as they can then jacking the price up on EE or GB

I'm more than happy to debate with you or Dan

but first, Dan would have to back up his contention that the cost to the distributors has more than doubled (but only for some of them)

I didn't say that it had, I said it might, and they have to be financially prepared for it. If nothing else, they have to cover in the even of an 'out'. (retail term for being out of stock). One of my local gun store didn't raise prices until 90% of it's stock was gone. They've laid two people off now. Their distributor has almost no product, and has raised all prices. There are reasons for raising prices aside from supply, but anticipated cost raises from suppliers are one.

Are their people flipping products for a profit? Absolutely. Are people stupid for paying it, pretty much. Throughout all this mess, I've continued to buy lowers and mags, and haven't paid a dime more than I would have prior. I own a business that depends on firearms industry vendors, I'm tied in with several shops for business partnerships and hear it from them. No only likes having to pay $400 for a lower, but if you want an instock lower to ship today, that's the price the market dictates. If no one raised their prices like that, anyone needing a lower would be SOL, unless they have time to watch the internet like a hawk.

It's really funny hearing the armchair wannabe economists spout gibberish when this comes up. What the original poster is doing is just as much a free market concept as what is happening right now with pricing. The original poster is simply attempting to influence demand in the market by garnering support for companies with pricing strategies that he agrees with. It's the old adage of speaking with your wallet. When you use terms like "communism", you are inferring that the author is suggesting the government should step in and invoke some sort of pricing controls. I feel pretty comfortable that is not what is being suggested here.

They are saying that the people are doing something wrong by charging what the market will bear. If someone makes anti capitalism statements, I WILL call them what they are. You may cry about it, but your tears amuse me, they don't drag me down.

Posted: 1/20/2013 11:59:27 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
lol its an open forum and you are saying you don't want to debate something ... then in the same token telling me to go elsewhere ...

You still can't see past your ethic's 101 class, PSA sell's for $150........ some random jackass following these forums not affiliated with PSA buys them and sell's them for $400 to $500.... that is gouging. Of course retailers and manufacturers need to increase for personal, overtime, etc... to an "extent", but user XXXXX doesn't need to sell 10 polymer lowers for 2 to 3X what he paid.

ummm.....I think you have me confused with Dan (misquoting perhaps? at least I HOPE you have me confused, since it appears that you and I agree on this topic) I'm AGAINST the gouging that's going on...retailers AND the people buying as many as they can then jacking the price up on EE or GB

I'm more than happy to debate with you or Dan

but first, Dan would have to back up his contention that the cost to the distributors has more than doubled (but only for some of them)

I didn't say that it had, I said it might, and they have to be financially prepared for it. If nothing else, they have to cover in the even of an 'out'. (retail term for being out of stock). One of my local gun store didn't raise prices until 90% of it's stock was gone. They've laid two people off now. Their distributor has almost no product, and has raised all prices. There are reasons for raising prices aside from supply, but anticipated cost raises from suppliers are one.

Are their people flipping products for a profit? Absolutely. Are people stupid for paying it, pretty much. Throughout all this mess, I've continued to buy lowers and mags, and haven't paid a dime more than I would have prior. I own a business that depends on firearms industry vendors, I'm tied in with several shops for business partnerships and hear it from them. No only likes having to pay $400 for a lower, but if you want an instock lower to ship today, that's the price the market dictates. If no one raised their prices like that, anyone needing a lower would be SOL, unless they have time to watch the internet like a hawk.

It's really funny hearing the armchair wannabe economists spout gibberish when this comes up. What the original poster is doing is just as much a free market concept as what is happening right now with pricing. The original poster is simply attempting to influence demand in the market by garnering support for companies with pricing strategies that he agrees with. It's the old adage of speaking with your wallet. When you use terms like "communism", you are inferring that the author is suggesting the government should step in and invoke some sort of pricing controls. I feel pretty comfortable that is not what is being suggested here.

They are saying that the people are doing something wrong by charging what the market will bear. If someone makes anti capitalism statements, I WILL call them what they are. You may cry about it, but your tears amuse me, they don't drag me down.

Wrong and unethical are not synonymous.

Although your points are well taken.

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:27:03 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
How come no one is bitching about gas prices ? You don't think that is gouging ? Gas has risen over $2 per gallon in the last 6 years or so, and never came down. All because people pay those prices, so there is no need to lower prices.

the profit on gas isn't as high as you'd think. It's not as if the gas companies are making 2 bucks a gallon...

a large percentage of the cost of gasoline is taxes and regulation (summer blends, winter blends, etc)

but gas prices could be lowered by increasing refinery capacity (which no one wants in their own backyard)...as well as by increasing crude production, thereby lowering the raw material costs

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:31:30 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

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Here you go Shooter. With all that crying you're doing, You probably need this.
http://mothersalwaysright.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kleenex-facial-tissue.jpg

That is exactly what you do when you get put in your place and have jack shit to say.

You're done speaking now lol. Trust I am out the thread now I was hoping you would pull a bitch card like that.

Are you 12? I have plenty to say, but you're not worth a pit thread. One day, hopefully you'll grow out of communism and become a capitalist, until then, have fun crying Komrade.

This + IBTL

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:44:31 AM EDT

[#42]

The obvious and excellent companies so far. Not all, just a start:

PSA
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
SKD
AIM
IWC
Joe Bobs
DSG
BCM
Spikes

The Turds:

CTD ... not surprising
SA&A.... surprised and disappointed

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:47:09 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
The obvious and excellent companies so far. Not all, just a start:

PSA
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
SKD
AIM
IWC
Joe Bobs
DSG
BCM
Spikes

The Turds:

CTD ... not surprising
SA&A.... surprised and disappointed

Since Spikes was the first company to raise prices in 08, at what point in time do companies get forgiveness?

Posted: 1/20/2013 6:53:47 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
The obvious and excellent companies so far. Not all, just a start:

PSA
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
SKD
AIM
IWC
Joe Bobs
DSG
BCM
Spikes

The Turds:

CTD ... not surprising
SA&A.... surprised and disappointed

i'd take spikes off the list.

i still haven't forgot about them from the last go around.

clown

beat by a few seconds.

i don't own shit

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:11:20 PM EDT

[#45]

When things calm down I am going to do what I have always done, and what I am doing now. Whoever has the product i want at a price I am willing to pay will get my money. I am not going to worry about some list put together by a bunch of cry babies. I dont expect anyone to sell me something for less than what they can currently sell it for, that would just be stupid.

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:15:58 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
When things calm down I am going to do what I have always done, and what I am doing now. Whoever has the product i want at a price I am willing to pay will get my money. I am not going to worry about some list put together by a bunch of cry babies. I dont expect anyone to sell me something for less than what they can currently sell it for, that would just be stupid.

+1000

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:20:13 PM EDT

[#47]

Some manufacturers have price increases for the new year also.

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:26:56 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
When things calm down I am going to do what I have always done, and what I am doing now. Whoever has the product i want at a price I am willing to pay will get my money. I am not going to worry about some list put together by a bunch of cry babies. I dont expect anyone to sell me something for less than what they can currently sell it for, that would just be stupid.

there must be a lot of stupid companies out there then :) Since there are many who are keeping thier prices at or near the pre-panic level...

hopefully the market will speak to those that are "smart" (using the definition you are using) and they'll be remembered

I know that I, for one, will take my business to companies that are "stupid" (again, using your defintion)

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:28:55 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Some manufacturers have price increases for the new year also.

yep..some do...

however, I doubt so many of them have 100%+ price increases....

maybe they do though...and that would mean that their prices will continue to be as high as they are now, even after the hype has died down and things normalize. It sure won't be good for them when they're charging 250 for a lower when others are charging 100....

Posted: 1/20/2013 12:29:57 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When things calm down I am going to do what I have always done, and what I am doing now. Whoever has the product i want at a price I am willing to pay will get my money. I am not going to worry about some list put together by a bunch of cry babies. I dont expect anyone to sell me something for less than what they can currently sell it for, that would just be stupid.

there must be a lot of stupid companies out there then :) Since there are many who are keeping thier prices at or near the pre-panic level...

hopefully the market will speak to those that are "smart" (using the definition you are using) and they'll be remembered

I know that I, for one, will take my business to companies that are "stupid" (again, using your defintion)

free market brother, shop where you please

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