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Posted: 6/30/2012 11:04:17 AM EDT


Cannabis is one of the most innocuous substances known to humans. Safer than Advil, a little (or a lot) of weed has never killed anybody, nor is it known to induce the kind of violent behavior linked to, say, alcohol. What's more, marijuana shows great therapeutic promise. It has been proven to reduce nausea associated with several ailments and chemotherapy, help cure post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), slow the progression of multiple sclerosis, and protect eyesight from glaucoma, among other medical benefits.





1. 55 Years in Prison for $350 of Pot





As Judge Paul G. Cassell pointed out, Angelos got more time
than he would have for hijacking an airplane (25 years), beating
someone to death in a fight (13 years), or raping a 10-year-old child
(11 years). Making matters worse, the father of two didn’t even have a
criminal record: he was a first time-offender.





2. Cops Pose as High-Schoolers and Ruin Kids' Lives





So when the undercover cop told Justin how much she loved weed, and begged him for a connect, Justin relented, even though he didn’t smoke himself. He refused the $25 his crush tried to give him, and told her the pot was a gift.





4. Snatching the Weed-Grower’s Children





According to police raided their 38-plant garden and
seized another 56 plants from inside their home. The bust came just
three weeks after agents conducted a "compliance check,” ensuring that
the couple, who are medical marijuana patients, were following the legal
guidelines to grow pot. Bram says officials assured them that
everything was fine. Regardless, Bram and Wals were later charged with
eight felonies for marijuana and child abuse.





7. Puppycide





Shooting the "stash” (or family) dog is standard in
SWAT raids, the chaos of which also often includes flash-bang grenades.
The Whitworth family’s experience was especially sad.





Ironically, it was Whitworth –– the victim of a violent raid on his
home, including shots fired –– who was charged with child endangerment.  





9. Life in Prison for the Middleman





Investigators uncovered no physical evidence –– pot, cash or anything else –– linking Young to trafficking. The testimony of co-conspirators cooperating with the government was the only evidence against him. Nonetheless, in 1992, Mark Young was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Young had never been charged with drug dealing, and had no history of violent crime.





~~~





The government spends more than $7 billion annually to enforce marijuana prohibition, but has not successfully deterred marijuana use. In fact, more teens now smoke pot than cigarettes, but our relentless pursuit to punish marijuana users nonetheless continues apace.





http://www.alternet.org/drugs/156061/life_without_parole_for_pot_10_worst_cases_of_cruel_and_unusual_punishment_/?page=entire





That's what I call winning.





Even considering the source, that's just fucked up. - TS



 
 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:07:14 AM EDT
We must burn this village in order to save it.
 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:11:16 AM EDT
Its for the children, you America-hating dope fiends.



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Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:13:00 AM EDT
Follow the law and you won't have those problems

Might as well get that one out the way before the idiot Drug Warriors™ say it in a serious manner.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:25:00 AM EDT
maybe stick with harmless tobacco and alcohol?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:29:23 AM EDT
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:31:12 AM EDT



Originally Posted By wunbadweel:




When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.



When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.



When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.



When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.



When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".



That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.



 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:36:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.



People will still try and sell your kids dugs. Legal or not. How about you give them the advice and tutorage they need but at the end of the day they're going to do it or they're not.

As far as the beheading, torturing stuff of course it's done over illegal drugs. It's all about $$$ and when you mess with people money bad things happen
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:36:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


So your argument is that since illegal drugs come with violence and unpleasantries attached to their production and distribution, and legal drugs largely don't, criminalizing certain drugs makes sense?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:36:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2012 11:37:45 AM EDT by TXgunman]
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.






Raise good kids?  Let them bear their own responsibilities?  Not try and meddle in the affairs of people who don't subscribe to your line of thinking?

BTW your kids are already going to be offered drugs.  The biggest draw against the drug wars is that they don't work.  A lot like the prohibition era actually......
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:37:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:

When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.
 


Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:38:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:39:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


On paper, If production of drugs was legal there'd be no reason for all that.  That's why Bayer and Tylenol employees aren't beheading each other now.  

In practice I think crime in the drug business would still go on because the government would tax the shit out of it to the point where the illegal drug trade would still exist.  I can't believe very many people would pay $5 for a joint just because it was a legal alternative.  It's the same argument behind gun free zones.  Criminals by definition break the law.  

Also, no matter what we do there will always be someone wanting to sell your kids dope.  The idea of the dope pusher is just silly.  Little Timmy got high because he wanted to get high.  The dope pusher idea just makes it easier to get parents on the drug enforcement machine's side by portraying their drug using child as some kind of a victim.  
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:39:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:40:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


How many six packs have your kids bought today?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:42:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Excellent post.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:45:32 AM EDT
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:47:51 AM EDT
And now I'll gleefully await the freedom-lovers who will state: "Just tax it by the IRS and guarantee purity by the FDA...."

And then contrast the WoD as anti-freedom due to .gov expansion. Which, admittedly it is at this point.

You can't have it both ways and claim a principled stand.



Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:49:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ricky_45:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  



The reality is that the way the government would go about the legalization of weed would practically guarantee the illegal trade in weed would continue.  People bootleg cigarettes and they're legal, they do it to avoid paying the ridiculously high taxes.  Even the proponents of legalization say "legalize it and tax it" but they don't think it through.  

Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:51:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.



So are your young children drinking alcohol right now?  Watching pornos?  Taking prescription pills? Stealing cars? Having sex at a young age?      What on earth could ever stop them from doing such things?   Laws perhaps?      not hardly. Your kids can already buy weed whenever they want. It doesn't need to be legal.

If you're doing your job as a parent then you dont have anything to fucking worry about.  


Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:51:55 AM EDT
1. 55 Years in Prison for $350 of Pot

As Judge Paul G. Cassell pointed out, Angelos got more time than he would have for hijacking an airplane (25 years), beating someone to death in a fight (13 years), or raping a 10-year-old child (11 years). Making matters worse, the father of two didn’t even have a criminal record: he was a first time-offender.


He got 55-years for selling pot while unlawfully carrying an illegal firearm.

Still a harsh penalty IMO but it wasnt simply selling weed.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:54:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ricky_45:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  



I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.


Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:58:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2012 12:06:56 PM EDT by Banjaxed]







Originally Posted By wunbadweel:




When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.
When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.
When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".
That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.




Don't trespass or steal others crops and it's not a problem.

 









Domestic growers do this? Seems like it's mostly international smugglers who exist because of the profit in growing an illegal plant that really do this sort off thing.










First I've heard of it. Either way if it's a prescription it's expensive. I can grow weed for free. Why should I care if somebody gets high any more than I care if they get drunk?










Your kids can buy pot easier than they can buy alcohol. In high school buying the Devil's Lettuce was as simple as approaching the nearest dealer. Legal retailers have more qualms about selling to kids. Do your job as a parent and the police won't need to do it for you.


 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:00:49 PM EDT




Some herbs are more equal than others.
 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:01:46 PM EDT



Originally Posted By wunbadweel:



Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:




Originally Posted By wunbadweel:



When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.



When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.



When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.



When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.



When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".



That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.

 




Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.
I've never met a recovering pot addict. I used to smoke quite a bit back in the day. When I decided to quit I quit. That simple actually. No rehab, no withdrawls, just quit. I had a harder time quitting cigarettes which are quite legal. Nobody has ever proven pot is addictive....because it's not.





 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:05:23 PM EDT



Originally Posted By HarryStone:



Originally Posted By ricky_45:

Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  







The reality is that the way the government would go about the legalization of weed would practically guarantee the illegal trade in weed would continue.  People bootleg cigarettes and they're legal, they do it to avoid paying the ridiculously high taxes.  Even the proponents of legalization say "legalize it and tax it" but they don't think it through.  





Never said to tax it like tobacco. I realize what a bad idea that is. It should be subject to standard retail sales tax like any other product. There's a reason moonshiners started growing pot and gave up on moonshine.

 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:08:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Why you harshin my mellow man
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:10:02 PM EDT
There is no place where drugs are totally legal that you would be able to conduct some reasonable research or compile actual evidence that the "trade is violent dut to commerce enabled by corruption."  To be honest, I don't really understand what you wrote there, but I think I get what you are trying to say.

Now, I will concede that users will sometimes commit acts of violence to obtain money for drugs, but people commit violence everyday for many different reasons.  Are we going to outlaw rage so that we might cut down on domestic violence and murder?  

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
Originally Posted By ricky_45:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  



I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.


Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.


Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:14:34 PM EDT
Regulate it the same as Liquor.






Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:16:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By watchwatch:
Follow the law and you won't have those problems

Might as well get that one out the way before the idiot Drug Warriors™ say it in a serious manner.


Problem is, folks wont follow the law, and we have to pay for their ridiculous incarceration whilst real criminals (Holder-types) skate.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:19:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


You do realize that there are no tuf wars between the makers of bayer and tylenol because their products are legal, right?  Pharma companies are not beheading each other because their versions of narcotics are legal.  The government of Canada is not corrupted by the makers of asthma inhalers because there is no black market on asthma inhalers because they are legal.

All of those problems you point out are a product of prohibition.

If my kid needed an asthma inhaler and they were illegal, I'd go on the black market in a heartbeat.  Since they are not illegal, this is not a problem.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:21:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:

When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.
 


Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.


I'm the brother of a couple of recovering alcoholics and one of my uncles drank himself to death.  Are you for return of alcohol prohibition as well or is your stance inconsistant?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:22:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 583:
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Excellent post.


I don't want anybody selling guns to kids on teh streetcorner.  We therefore should ban guns.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:24:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Do you really think your kids don't know where to get a bag of grass, or where they can buy a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 ?

Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:27:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
Originally Posted By ricky_45:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  



I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.


Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.


Wow. SO you would shoot someone because you failed as a parent?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:29:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2012 12:32:39 PM EDT by garwj]
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


All of that doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted By HarryStone:

In practice I think crime in the drug business would still go on because the government would tax the shit out of it to the point where the illegal drug trade would still exist.  I can't believe very many people would pay $5 for a joint just because it was a legal alternative.  It's the same argument behind gun free zones.  Criminals by definition break the law.  



Haven't had many people trying to sell me a carton of smokes and they're almost all tax.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:32:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Were you drinking a cold beer while writing about this?
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:32:26 PM EDT
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Complaint line starts on the right.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:34:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ma96782:
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Complaint line starts on the right.

Aloha, Mark


Soon, everything will be crime in glorious worker's paradise, comrade. Four legs good! Two legs bad!
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:35:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ma96782:
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Complaint line starts on the right.

Aloha, Mark




I have to agree with this

Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:38:21 PM EDT
I'd rather alcohol be illegal than pot.  I mean that 100%.

But honestly, nothing should be illegal.  Everything should be available for idiots to take and kill themselves with.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:39:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
Originally Posted By ricky_45:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal?  Surely this does not escape you.  Does it?  



I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.


Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.



I'm glad your not a cop anymore, you create more problems than you solve with your police vs citizen approach.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:39:55 PM EDT



Originally Posted By ma96782:


Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.



Complaint line starts on the right.



Aloha, Mark


Pretty soon putting too much soda in one cup will be a crime. I'd rather see stupid laws ignored, fought and overturned than people following them.

 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:40:09 PM EDT
anyone that thinks tea should be illegal but that alcohol should not be has there head so far up their own ass there is no use talking to them about it.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 1:00:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Wunbad, you're normally spot on with your analyses of the way things are.  But this?  

You're so damned off the mark that I must question whether you're being ironic for the sake of making a point, or if you've suffered a TIA.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 1:30:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 583:
Originally Posted By wunbadweel:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.


Excellent post.


Actually no...it is just overly emotional hand wringing.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 1:31:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By watchwatch:
Follow the law and you won't have those problems

Might as well get that one out the way before the idiot Drug Warriors™ say it in a serious manner.


Dont do the crime!
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 1:39:55 PM EDT
Hmm, I take it that the OP supports legalization? This sheds much light on the timbre of GD lately....
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 1:47:20 PM EDT



Originally Posted By WoodsmithWASP:




Hmm, I take it that the OP supports legalization? This sheds much light on the timbre of GD lately....


Know how I know you're high?



 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 3:14:25 PM EDT
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 3:22:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ShermiesRule:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.



Bingo

It is the same as the ones whining that Pot is illegal
but Alcohol is not Two different things.

I have heard this same argument for nearly 40 years

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