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Posted: 10/24/2016 12:01:30 PM EDT
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/brentwood-shaken-by-killings-to-get-license-plate-readers-1.12496234
By Nicole Fuller [email protected]
Suffolk County police are planning to install dozens of license-plate readers across Brentwood in response to a rash of gang-related killings of mostly teenagers that have shaken the community. More than 50 cameras will be placed at about 20 locations at Brentwood’s major gateways, officials said — providing key intelligence to investigators as they seek to solve crimes in the hamlet, where police in the last month have discovered the bodies of six people fatally beaten by gang members. Suffolk Police Commissioner Timothy Sini said in an interview Thursday that he envisions the technology as a major deterrent to gangs and other criminals and a chief component of the department’s strategy to clamp down on gangs since last month’s fatal assaults on Brentwood High School students Nisa Mickens, 15, and Kayla Cuevas, 16. Mickens was killed Sept. 13 and Cuevas’ body was found the next day. “This is the first time we’ll have an entire community strategically policed by LPRs,” said Sini, referring to the license-plate readers. “We’re going to let everyone know — law-abiding citizens and criminals — about this strategic plan that will prevent crime.” Sini said the department hopes to install them in the coming months. The cameras represent a heavy reliance on technology that law enforcement agencies have in recent years integrated with historical policing tactics. License-plate readers, which supply law enforcement with a plethora of data to mine for trends and clues, have emerged as a key tool in solving crimes — especially patterns like robberies and burglaries — and for years have been used by both the Suffolk and Nassau police departments, as well as those in Hempstead, Long Beach and other communities. Suffolk police have used license-plate readers since 2006 and have about 30 on police cars — used to catch drivers with expired vehicle registrations. Others are at fixed locations that police won’t specify for strategic reasons. The police are paying for the cameras in Brentwood with $1 million in state funding secured by Assemb. Phil Ramos, the deputy majority leader of the Assembly who represents parts of Brentwood, Bay Shore and Central Islip. “I know how difficult it is when you have a crime such as the murders that took place and you’re starting from scratch, with no information, no leads,” said Ramos, a retired police officer. He said residents were tired of “lip service” from government officials after the slayings. “Bringing in this technology would give the police department a cold hit on a crime in which there’s no other information,” he said. Ramos and Sini are planning a series of community meetings to explain the camera system to residents and address concerns over privacy and other issues, with both officials stressing that “buy-in” from the community is paramount. The American Civil Liberties Union has raised concerns about potential abuses, including invasion of privacy, from the systems. The Brentwood network of cameras won’t be monitored live to catch traffic scofflaws or to surveil the community, Sini said. Investigators only will pull data from the cameras “based on individualized suspicion” that a vehicle description could be connected to a crime. “It’s not a fishing expedition,” Sini said. “We’re not mining the data unless it’s connected to a specific incident, or we’re looking for a specific individual for a crime.” Sini said the department has rules and procedures to prevent inappropriate use of data from the readers, but will examine its protocols in light of the extensive network it is building. “We audit the system, so we hold our officers accountable for using the system,” Sini said. “If there’s a violation of the rules and procedures, they’ll be held accountable.” Sini said he will measure the success of the license-plate readers by crime reduction, higher clearance of cases and an increase in arrests. Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone said he would guarantee county funding for maintenance and other upkeep for the camera network. “This is a vital tool moving forward on the law enforcement front, and I will make sure we have the resources to keep it going,” Bellone said. Sini, who became commissioner in February, has stressed federal law enforcement partnerships as key to tackling the gang problem on Long Island. Asked whether the current gang problems could be tied to the past decision by now-jailed Chief of Department James Burke to remove police detectives from an Islandwide federal gang task force, Bellone said the removal was “a major, major failure.” But, he added, the current troubles couldn’t be attributed to any one source. Sini, a former federal prosecutor, put detectives back on the task force and has worked to re-establish the relationship with federal law enforcement. While the six recent homicides have been jarring, police officials point to statistics showing violent crime in Brentwood is down in a recent 28-day period and year-over-year. According to department statistics, total violent crime — including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — fell 75 percent in the 28 days after the Mickens and Cuevas killings, from Sept. 18 through Oct. 15. Violent crime dropped 29.4 percent this year through Oct. 15 over the same time period last year, statistics show. The decrease happened while police flooded the area with more officers after the teens were killed. Homicides in Brentwood compared with last year have risen dramatically, with seven in the hamlet this year through Oct. 15, compared with none in the same time in 2015, according to statistics. Days after Mickens and Cuevas were killed and as police began putting pressure on known gang members, investigators began searching wooded areas on and around Pilgrim Psychiatric Center. Their search yielded the skeletal remains of three missing teenage boys, who they said were all beaten to death. The remains of Oscar Acosta, 19, were found Sept. 16 in an industrial area near the Pilgrim Psychiatric Center. Five days later, the remains of Miguel García-Morán, 15, were found in the same area. The skeletal remains of Jose Peña-Hernandez, 18, known to police as an MS-13 gang member, were found in a wooded area on the grounds of Pilgrim last week. On Oct. 13, Dewann A.S. Stacks, 34, was fatally assaulted as he walked along American Boulevard, near a wooded area. Police believe his killing also was gang-related. The search for missing teens and concerns that gangs could be responsible also has hit Nassau County. Last week, Nassau and state police descended on a wooded area in Freeport known to authorities as a gang meeting place. They were looking for a missing teen boy who “had some affiliation with some people that may have been gang-related,” said Nassau Det. Sgt. Patrick Ryder, commanding officer of the department’s Intelligence unit. Police found nothing but gang tags spray-painted on trees, including those of MS-13, but Ryder said violent crime in areas where there’s the most gang activity — Roosevelt, Uniondale, Freeport and Hempstead — has decreased 7 percent since last year. Shootings, however, are up 14 percent over last year, though Ryder said he could not say whether the uptick is connected to gangs. The day before the Mickens and Cuevas killings, Uniondale High School student Josue “Joshua” Guzman, 15, was shot dead as he walked with two people about 1 a.m. in the vicinity of the Linden Triangle, the scene of many gang shootings. A source familiar with the investigation said Guzman’s death was gang-related. And later that same day, about a mile away, a 20-year-old man, believed by police to be a member of the Crips gang, was shot once in the forehead as he drove a silver 2004 Ford Escape in the area of Terrace and Atlantic avenues. He crashed into several parked cars, police said, and was found sitting outside the car when police arrived. That man survived the attack. Since the Mickens and Cuevas killings, police in Suffolk have arrested more than 35 gang members in an attempt to get information to solve the killings and to stem the rise of gangs. Five of those gang members, whom Sini described as “some of the most violent gang members that we know of,” were taken into federal custody and are facing RICO charges, Sini said. The arrests of about 30 other gang members on state charges by the department’s Gang Unit and the newly created Firearms Suppression Team, some for crimes such as trespassing or marijuana possession, can bear fruit, Sini said. “It may be a minor arrest — trespass, marijuana possession, cocaine possession, weapons possession,” Sini said. “But every time we arrest someone, we debrief them. So that’s an opportunity to gain intelligence. They may flip. They may provide a little bit of information, or a lot of information.” Joseph Giacalone, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan and a retired NYPD sergeant, applauded the camera plan as a “proactive” move, but said uniformed cops should create a temporary command post in Brentwood in addition to flooding the area. “The fear factor in Brentwood has to be extremely high,” Giacalone said. “You don’t have to worry about the bad guys knowing you’re coming for them — that’s not a secret. So you have to have that uniformed and marked car presence.” First Avenue in Brentwood on a rainy Friday night, Sept. 30, 2016. Photo Credit: Newsday / John Paraskevas Giacalone said the license-plate readers wouldn’t help if the gang members weren’t driving when they committed crimes. “There’s got to be an omnipresence there,” Giacalone said. “If you want to send a message, there has to be warrant sweeps. You pick these guys up and you start shaking the trees. You have to do some proactive policing here because the public isn’t going to help you. They’re too afraid. Yeah, you can do your clandestine operations, but you have to show the gangs you’re in charge.” Sini said his department has done just that, deploying officers from several commands, including precinct cops, and officers from K-9, Highway Patrol, the Aviation Unit and the Emergency Services Unit. Sini added that Brentwood residents also may see more helicopters in the sky. “We are strategically patrolling certain areas to reassure the public of their safety and suppress crime,” the commissioner said. View Quote |
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Not a fucking thing to see here. It's for the chil-ren and everyone else.
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something like "if you've got nothing to hide than what is the problem" and "its only for your own protection citizen"
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Let's look at the alternatives: -We could keep criminal scum from the neighboring third world shithole out of our country. If they sneak in, we could imprison and deport them. -Or, we can turn OUR country into a third world shithole police state. |
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In case you weren't aware, it is not normally possible to cross the Mississippi River on I-40 or I-55 without having your plate read.
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What most Americans don't know is that they have been setting up cameras on the interstate system across the country that are used by DHS and other federal and state agencies to help find vehicles involved in interstate criminal activity. They are often near the state lines and if you look up at the large green signs they are normally set up to look down on each lane. They have been used to help catch serial killers and on homicide cases where a body is dumped in another state. They can go back and review video from a certain time frame to find vehicles they are looking for. These aren't the inline plate readers but HD cameras that can grab video and then be enhanced later.
There are also cities and counties that have the actual license plate readers set up when you enter their jurisdiction. They are set up to read the plates and if they are flagged it actually transmits over the radio to the officer's in that district that a flagged license of a stolen car or one that is involved in a crime has entered the area. There are also the readers mounted on the police vehicles themselves. They are pretty large so you can spot them quickly. They often drive them through shopping malls which is often a drop off place for criminals to leave stolen vehicles and they can blend. Airports have cameras and readers all over their parking areas and entrance and egress areas as well. You are living in the Matrix Neo... |
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While the six recent homicides have been jarring, police officials point to statistics showing violent crime in Brentwood is down in a recent 28-day period and year-over-year.
View Quote Jarring to who? Brentwood has been a shit hole for decades. |
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Where I used to work before I retired, I found that I could track the movements of my personal car through LPRs in the city by at least a year. What I found remarkable was the number and type of cameras capable of LPRing, which in short was just about every one of them.
For a given camera to do this, it would take a capture of everything that passes by with a recognizable state license plate. It would have to time stamp each capture, then upload to a storage server. I also seem to recall that the software used to access the LPR told me how many times that particular search was done previously. There were at least two to three I didn't do. |
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Seems that would be a hell of a lot more useful for surveilling the law-abiding population than the criminal one.
ETA: Oh, and Brentwood's a dump. Has been forever. |
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it.
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If it were up to me, government would be prevented from using electronic surveillance of any form, in any place, period. Oh, but then people would be getting away with all kinds of shit! Yep, and I'd gladly take my chances with those people rather than with a government that sees all and knows all.
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Gonna need RFID tags on every vehicle before long. Think of the payoff - - catch criminals, and - catch tax income. |
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Well, the license plate readers are based on trying to catch or track particular license plates. If it has an expired registration, registered owner is a wanted person, if the license plate or vehicle is stolen, or if there's a Be On the Look Out, the LPR can alert you it found a match. But, the user has to be near the LPR to identify the vehicle. If you have an unmanned LPR, it doesn't help unless you have a video camera aimed in the same direction.
If you have a criminal who commits a crime and drives away and you don't know the license plate number, the LPR database doesn't help. And if these gang members don't even drive a car, it's not going to deter or help investigating those crimes. |
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could you make an IR shield for your plate so the camera's couldn't read it?
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The Brentwood network of cameras won’t be monitored live to catch traffic scofflaws or to surveil the community, Sini said. Investigators only will pull data from the cameras “based on individualized suspicion” that a vehicle description could be connected to a crime.
“It’s not a fishing expedition,” Sini said. “We’re not mining the data unless it’s connected to a specific incident, or we’re looking for a specific individual for a crime.” Sini said the department has rules and procedures to prevent inappropriate use of data from the readers, but will examine its protocols in light of the extensive network it is building. Fucking LOL. Either he is criminally naive at best, or a malicious liar at worst. Either way, I'm sure this will NEVER be abused. Hello, Dept. of Pre-Crime! |
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense.
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I don't run a front plate and I have one of these on the back. F their cameras.
http://www.photoblocker.com/photoshield-cover.html |
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I'm surprised anyone in Long Island had any expectation of privacy left; they do seem to love big brother.
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense. View Quote THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" |
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THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense. THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" As I mentioned in a reply further up the thread, I could research times and street locations I drove through NYC going back at least a year if not more. The potential for misuse is immense as so many people drive through I95 passing through NYC and all instances are recorded somewhere. |
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Really is the people's fault. Our sheriff can't run radar here because people united and told them they couldn't have it. That's all it fucking takes.
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Too long to READ.....
License Plate Readers are very easy to defeat..... If Big Brother wants to track the gang bangers so what..... |
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense. View Quote It sucks, but this. The 4th Amendment "fight" at play here was decided way the hell beck when the plates became mandatory. The only real way left to fight these readers is to de-fund them. |
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NY. LOL.
Gangs killing eachother. LOL. Who cares, sink the whole island from Queens to South Hampton. |
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Out of state tag, no resprocity on concealed carry, run tag and driver (owner) has carry license... probable (valid) cause to stop?
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. View Quote Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. |
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Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. It is public. |
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. It is public. Where do I pick up my MDT? |
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I hope they stake out the Bay Shore Harbor Freight where MS-13 gets their discount machetes. |
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THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense. THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" You have no expectation of privacy in public. This was all decided long before you were born. |
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. It is public. Where do I pick up my MDT? Don't need one. Use your data plan. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. I find your statism funny. It pays the bills. |
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I find it funny that GD thinks they have a right to privacy over a govt mandated and unique identifier that must be displayed in public specifically for the purpose of identifying that car to anyone that sees it. Open up the database to public access then. Data without context is noise. People would be a lot more open to police methodology if it was simply explained, instead of being a chortling prick about it. It is public. Where do I pick up my MDT? Don't need one. Use your data plan. There's a little difference between typing in a tag and hitting 'return', and submitting a FOIA request or getting a DMV subscription. |
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What makes you think there aren't RFID transmitters in cars already? Do you have OnSTAR or any other form of push button roadside assistance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gonna need RFID tags on every vehicle before long. Think of the payoff - - catch criminals, and - catch tax income. What makes you think there aren't RFID transmitters in cars already? Do you have OnSTAR or any other form of push button roadside assistance? Wait until the RFIDs are installed into people like Logan's Run and Idiocracy |
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Here's the problem with big data collection schemes......
They start out with one mission and then they become too tempting to use for other missions. Once they have the data, what they do with it is subject to change. |
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Register your vehicles to a living trust if you can if you are worried about privacy.
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Ohio was one of the first states to do this . Many years ago they installed plate readers on every major highway leading into the state . It came out in a court case over a stolen car that was chased and in the following accident a person was killed . The state fought hard to not release this information . Plate readers are everywhere .
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Just wait until they mandate GPS trackers in all cars to charge mileage taxes.
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Out of state tag, no resprocity on concealed carry, run tag and driver (owner) has carry license... probable (valid) cause to stop? 9th Circuit viable maybe. You need to read more of their rulings. Doubt they would endorse that one. |
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THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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hate to break the bad news to all of you, but you don't and never had a expectation of privacy in public. so all your gibber-jabber about privacy in public is nonsense. THere is a difference between "expectation of privacy in public" and "Law Enforcement will capture and retain all that data explicitly for the purpose on one day hopefully using it to bust someone for a crime." The latter case is not compatible with Liberty, and is far too subject to abuse of "What crime has he committed? What a naive question. Show me the man, and I will find a crime!" Anything availble to Law Enforcment is availble to the politiicans they work for. |
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