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Posted: 7/31/2002 7:44:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 7:49:23 AM EST
Fair elections are so damn annoying, aren't they?
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 7:58:38 AM EST
Yes, [b]stubbs[/b], but fair elections that are lost are not much fun either! Ask AlGore. Can you imagine if Ralph Nader had not been on the ballot as the Green Party's candidate in Florida? Nader got 106,000 votes in Florida. AlGore lost by less than 1,000. If Nader wasn't on the ticket, to whom would those 106,000 votes have likely gone? [b]Do the math![/b] I'm certainly happy that it was their guy that got screwed by the Third Party and not ours! But that simply doesn't seem to matter to the largest debating society in the world - the Libertarian Party! Eric The(YouHaveToBeAtTheTableToPlayInDC)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:14:15 AM EST
Oh, swell. That all but hands the election to Vlad the Impaler. Fair elections!!!!! Illinois is the state with the ignominy of having Chicago. Because of Chicago, there hasn't been a fair statewide election in Illinois, for a hundred years.
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:18:30 AM EST
If Blah-Goya-Bitch wins... I guess that will be the end of me being a law abiding citizen. Civil disobedience will be my new MO.
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:19:24 AM EST
Why the hell is Ryan any different than hotrod??? Ryan aint getting me excited about voting for him. He is not much different than the last Ryan. Look at the primary. O'mally didnt spend as 1/2 as much as he did, and got 250,000 votes (mine included). what is ryan doing to reach out to that base? I am going to put a libertarian sign on my lawn this week. c-rock
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:22:34 AM EST
The Republicans need to take themselves off the ballot in Illinios then. Once two coservatives or two liberal parties are on the ticket, Fair isn't the word. Its just pure mathematics after that. Ben
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Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:30:58 AM EST
check out the site, to see what the man is saying. http://www.skinnerforgovernor.org/
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:34:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: [ You mean the one who made no attempt to pass any gun laws, and signed the revised SNA into law that made fanny pack CCW legal, and carry in a vehicle legal again? Bag-my-boy-a-bitch is a thousand times worse. Period. Jim Ryan is hardly our friend, but Rod the Impaler has a clear history of being an anti-gun fanatic. He is truly obsessed with the issue. The Libertarians need to get their collective heads out of their asses and take over the Repub party.
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You seem to forget about the time he was holding a AR15 in his hands, and saying this is not for "duck hunting". At least he had a cable lock on it. [BD] The 6 seconds to safety was a fuke, a mistake overlooked by the lawyers. Also, around here near Chicago, you will still go to jail, and get fucked by it. c-rock [img]http://www.illinois-shooter.org/grabbergeorge.jpg[/img]
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Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:53:04 AM EST
Post from sweep -
I'm hoping for one of two things. Either the Libertarian Party becomes the major contender against the Democratic Party, forcing the Republican Party down to the the 3rd Party status, or even better, the Republicans become Libertarians like the Democrats became socialist.
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First of all, the high water mark of the Libertarian Party was in 1988. Since that time their share of votes in National Elections have been steadily dwindling. That is not the sign of a vibrant party on the upward swing of a popular groundswell of support! Second, it's not historical. No party that controls one of the two chambers of Congress, with a sitting President, has ever imploded to such a degree. The Republicans would have to begin losing elections on a scale like the Libertarians for several election cycles before most Republicans would jump ship in sufficient numbers to make the GOP a third party!
I'm in favor of the Republicans becoming Libertarians because it seems to have worked so well for the socialist forcing the democrats to become socialist. Look at Ron Paul from TX. He's Republican only in name.
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Hell, I'm a Republican in name only as well, but it's the only party that has a chance of winning anything, just as our friend Ron Paul knew. You can effect more change from the inside of a party than from wthout! Ron Paul votes with the Republicans on just about every issue, and he supports and votes for the GOP leadership, which is crucial!
It's just going to take some time before the Republicans wake up and say, "If we want their votes, we're going to have to make some changes to our platform."
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It's just going to take some time before the Libertarians wake up and say, 'If we want a place at the table, if we want to win and have an influence on anything in Washington, we will have to change our party affiliation and become Republicans. We can change the GOP platform from within, easier than from without!'
Something has to change. I'd rather see it take place at the ballot box instead of the ammo box.
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So would I, but we don't have the luxury of time to prevent all that you and I both fear might happen to our country while the Libertarians fiddle about trying to get on the ballot of maybe [u]half[/u] the states in the Union! We just don't have sufficient time for the folks in the Libertarian Party to 'get their poop in a group!' Our house is on fire and they want to go to firefighting school, and start off slowly! Eric The(HelpFire!Fire!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 8:53:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
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What's your point? Both Ryans are bad for us. Agreed. No one "good for us" is going to get elected. Handing the election to someone a thousand times worse is beyond stupid. .
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Point is, its crunch time, and a man has to vote for his principals. At least I vote, 1/2 of the folks in this state will not. If the Hotrod gets in, there will be trouble. More trouble if democrats get the house and senate too. I think the AG will go republican. That will help alot. I guess I will speed up my purchasing if Hot Rod gets in. Buy like 5 stripped AR lowers, and others I might want one day. Also will get a PO box over the boarder to still keep on getting mags and such too. Heck, with Chicago being so crooked, there will always be guns avaliable. [BD] c-rock
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 11:35:25 AM EST
Well I live near Peoria, and would like to keep my rights. If Bagel-Bitch wins I will lose more, but if Ryan wins, I will still be dead-even. Heard the current talk? It seems that chances are decent that Democrats could be in control of both legislative branches after the election. Vote Libertarian, and make it a trifecta! [size=5]As a current resident of Illinois, I want my current rights grandfathered!!![/size=5]
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 11:44:59 AM EST
Eric....I have an answer to your libertarian hatred.......most of them, like myself are so fed up with the republican lies that we would rather vote demoncrat that vote for one more"no new taxes" or "only $150 per person to excercise your constitutional rights" or " we are going after the terrorists and all that finance them" Lies,lies and damn lies....repeated rape by either party is really starting to get old...
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 11:51:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By hound: Eric....I have an answer to your libertarian hatred.......most of them, like myself are so fed up with the republican lies that we would rather vote demoncrat that vote for one more"no new taxes" or "only $150 per person to excercise your constitutional rights" or " we are going after the terrorists and all that finance them" Lies,lies and damn lies....repeated rape by either party is really starting to get old...
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Ya Eric! libertarians rule! And they roll the best joints [rolleyes]
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And another republican apologist wades in....eswanson...can you name one piece of anti-gun legislation that the repubs have rolled back? crickets in the distance.........
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 12:02:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By eswanson: [red]If you vote Libertarian you're wasting your vote.[/red] Period. It will accomplish nothing other than making you feel warm and fuzzy, while taking a vote away from a Republican candidate who will not screw you as badly as a Democrat.
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[size=5]EXACTLY[/size=5] While I have never been so tempted to vote off party, now would be the worst possible time to ever consider it! {edit} I should add that, had it not been for the Green Party splitting the DEM vote, Gore would have won the election, even without Florida in the equation... Splitting up a strong party vote, while it may feel good, will hurt us more than we could ever imagine right now.
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 12:07:09 PM EST
I am sorry, not voting is a wasted vote. big difference c-rock
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Link Posted: 7/31/2002 12:10:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By Sweep:
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: The Libertarians need to get their collective heads out of their asses and take over the Repub party.
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That's somewhat my philosophy. However, I think there still needs to be a Libertarian Party that threatens the Republicans, while at the same time, the Libertarians need to run as Republicans, i.e., Ron Paul. Once there are so many Libertarians elected on the Republican ticket, the Republican Party will be the Libertarian Party. Over the past few years, I've come to believe it's easier to hijack a current major party, than it is to grow a 3rd party. However, the latter can happen. That's how the Republicans came into existence themselves I believe.
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It only took a volatile issue like slavery to do it. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 12:31:07 PM EST
You are already screwed in Ill....you get another one of these----I support the second amendment---republican----but you can't own that--demoncrat. It is the same old song and dance the repub hold you and the demos screw you.....if ya like getting gang-banged keep it up...it ain't changing...
Link Posted: 7/31/2002 12:59:53 PM EST
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Eric....I have an answer to your libertarian hatred.......
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Nonsense, [b]hound[/b], I don't hate Libertarians! I am a libertarian Republican, and probably one of the few on this Board who has ever voted for a Libertarian running for President (since they are only on about 50% of the states' ballots) back in 1976! But I am a realist, and I know that right now we need to stem the tide against further gun control. The Republican controlled Congress was getting ready to roll back the AWB back in 1995, when that idiot McVeigh blew up the Murragh Fed. Building in OKC. Repeal was derailed! Can you name one gun control measure that has passed since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995? Huh, Huh? Canya? Huh? Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)]
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Link Posted: 8/1/2002 4:54:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By hound: You are already screwed in Ill....you get another one of these----I support the second amendment---republican----but you can't own that--demoncrat. It is the same old song and dance the repub hold you and the demos screw you.....if ya like getting gang-banged keep it up...it ain't changing...
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I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong. We are NOT screwed, unless a bunch of dimwits vote Libertarian. Illinois has some idiotic gun laws: FOID card, No CCW, No Class III. But honestly, other than Chicago, Illinois isn't a bad place to own a gun. I live in Peoria, as I mentioned before, and I am able to own as many AR15's as I want. I can legally stock up on 30 round mags, M855, Preban lowers, 50 cal rifles, cheap guns, Reloading components and pretty much anything else. A CCW law comes up in the legislature nearly every year, the local police are very cool, and It's legal to do whatever you want on your own land. I'd say that while Illinois has a few messed up laws, the state is far from screwed, unless you live in or near Chicago. HOWEVER, the Democrats are likely to take the legislature this year, and if the Governors mansion goes to them too, we WILL BE screwed! Your assertion that there is no difference is immature and flies in the face of reason. But you are from Texas, so what would you know of Illinois?
Link Posted: 8/1/2002 5:33:11 AM EST
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Hey , just make sure you get your Illinois ass out there and VOTE ! And take 200 of your closest friends with you . This is a free country and we have the right to vote , vote these assholes out of office . Just wait until McCains' term is up in rhe Senate . We have no provision in Arizona for a recall/kick him out of office ,yet we almost pulled it off ! So for all of you non-voters out there , it is time to get off your collective asses and DO SOMETHING to stop this insane LIBERAL SHIT FORCE FED TO US ! And make sure all your friends who think like you vote as well . UNDERSTAND ?
Link Posted: 8/1/2002 5:42:36 AM EST
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If you feel that voting for a Libertarian candidate is a wasted vote, then you are missing the point. If everyone continutes to simply vote Republican because you know a Libertarian won't win, and you want to support the GOP over the Dumbocrats, then the Libertarians will never win. It's a small sacrfice to pay now to possibly help get a Libertarian candidate in office in the future. Now I don't live in Illinois and I don't know the politics around there (my dad lives in Chicago and I know how much of a fuck Daley is) but regardless, vote for who you want to win. Vote for the candidate you support. Voting for the GOP even though you want to vote Libertarian seems like a wasted vote for me. It's a compromise, and we all know where compromise gets us. Look at the NRA.
Link Posted: 8/1/2002 5:58:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter: damm it got quiet on this topic after I posted that......
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That's because [i]you're not supposed to bad mouth the GOP!![/i] ------------- "But, but.....the Republicans [i]tried[/i] to repeal the '94 AW ban!" Because its only a matter of time before someone tries to inject this argument. But [i]did[/i] they overturn it? NO. They decided not to after OKC...[i]because they are just as spineless and pliable as the democrats[/i].
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