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Posted: 10/4/2005 7:03:38 PM EDT
From the new edition text for my PoliSci class:

Liberalism – A set of beliefs that includes the advocacy of positive government action to improve the welfare of individuals, support for civil rights, and tolerance for political and social change.

Libertarianism - A political idealogy based on skepticism or opposition toward almost all government activities.

Conservatism – A set of beliefs that includes a limited role for the national government in helping individuals, support for traditional values and lifestyles, and a cautious response to change.



What do you think, accurate?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:04:23 PM EDT
lol, that ain't skewed at all.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:05:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:05:41 PM EDT
wow, not a hint of bias..... surprising....
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:05:46 PM EDT


Those who can't, write textbooks.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:10:49 PM EDT
Sounds about right. Liberals mean well (well, most of them do) but intentions are far more important to them than results. And they never seem to learn that government programs usually make initial problems worse.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:12:44 PM EDT
Sounds good to me. I'm a Poli Sci major as well.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:14:52 PM EDT
Can't...stop...laughing....must ...stop...re-reading...definition...of...liberal...too..late...falling...off...chair
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:17:28 PM EDT
Liberal Horseplop...Typical.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:12:19 PM EDT
Liberalism – A set of beliefs that includes the advocacy of positive government action to improve the welfare of individuals, support for civil rights, and tolerance for political and social change.

Not even close. “The root of all evil” would be a more accurate description.


A far more accurate definition is:

liberalism - A set of beliefs that includes totalitarian control of almost all aspects of society and individuals lives by a small group of poorly educated (with respect to reality), low net IQ , unthinking, uncaring, selfish, self-centered, greedy, intolerant, racist, sexist, mean-spirited, bigoted, self appointed “elite’s”, who erroneously consider themselves to be intellectuals, enlightened, and above the rules. See more at “human debris”.

OK, yes, I have gone easy on liberals. After all, I don’t want to hurt their “feelings”. As if they actually had any.


Note: liberal and liberalism should always be in lower case.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:27:34 PM EDT
Curious but what level polisci class is this for?

Seems like a typical leftist leaning textbook...kinda sad the percentage that are poorly written and left leaning.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 10:46:07 PM EDT
The Wikipedia has a lot of entries on political ideologies. Here's the start page: Link

GL
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 10:52:16 PM EDT
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:07:25 PM EDT
"Conservatism" has lots of variants. They seem to be talking mostly about recent US conservatism. But in Europe a conservative can be in favor of protectionism and a government role in almost everything. And "Liberalism" lately is downright reactionary.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:20:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 12:01:57 AM EDT by gordon_freeman]

Originally Posted By TheCynic:


Those who can't, write textbooks.



Um are you retarded? Maybe those who can't install roofing write roofing textbooks, but you have to be pretty damn good at what you do to write a accounting, microeconomics, or econometrics textbook. Just for ref, my intro microeconomics textbook from way back when was written by the presidential economic advisor for both George Bush 1 and Clinton.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:59:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.



Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:04:50 AM EDT
I would argue the use of the word "positive" regarding the use of government towards the welfare of people.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:08:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:12:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:


Those who can't, write textbooks.



Um are you retarded?



Why, yes. Yes, I am.


Originally Posted By TheCynic:
Maybe those who can't install roofing write roofing textbooks, but you have to be pretty damn good at what you do to write a accounting, microeconomics, or econometrics textbook.



Thanks for missing the point. It is kind of hard to add
political bias to an accounting or physics textbook.

"The gravitational constant in this case needs to be
modified by the racial coefficient of 2 since the actor
in this case is African-American and thus, 'held down
by the Man.'"
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:14:09 AM EDT
As accurate as anything else I would read written by communists.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 6:47:43 AM EDT
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 6:49:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Liberalism – A set of beliefs that includes the advocacy of positive government action to improve the welfare of individuals, support for civil rights, and tolerance for political and social change.

Not even close. “The root of all evil” would be a more accurate description.


A far more accurate definition is:

liberalism - A set of beliefs that includes totalitarian control of almost all aspects of society and individuals lives by a small group of poorly educated (with respect to reality), low net IQ , unthinking, uncaring, selfish, self-centered, greedy, intolerant, racist, sexist, mean-spirited, bigoted, self appointed “elite’s”, who erroneously consider themselves to be intellectuals, enlightened, and above the rules. See more at “human debris”.



I hate to say it, but that definition would fit modern "conservatives" too. Well, modern conservatives want totalitarian control over individuals (you're completely free to do as you want, so long as it is exactly what they would have chosen for you), but no restrictions on corporations...

Jim
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 6:52:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 6:52:54 AM EDT by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 6:58:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim



And that's what libertarianism is all about. Common sense.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 7:02:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Liberalism – A set of beliefs that includes the advocacy of positive government action to improve the welfare of individuals, support for civil rights, and tolerance for political and social change.

Not even close. “The root of all evil” would be a more accurate description.


A far more accurate definition is:

liberalism - A set of beliefs that includes totalitarian control of almost all aspects of society and individuals lives by a small group of poorly educated (with respect to reality), low net IQ , unthinking, uncaring, selfish, self-centered, greedy, intolerant, racist, sexist, mean-spirited, bigoted, self appointed “elite’s”, who erroneously consider themselves to be intellectuals, enlightened, and above the rules. See more at “human debris”.



I hate to say it, but that definition would fit modern "conservatives" too. Well, modern conservatives want totalitarian control over individuals (you're completely free to do as you want, so long as it is exactly what they would have chosen for you), but no restrictions on corporations...

Jim

Where do people keep getting the idea that there are no restrictions on corporations?



Of course WE do, but then we are a mixed bag of capitalism and socialism. Many conservatives would like to see no restrictions on business.

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 7:06:05 AM EDT
While I'm definitely not a Libertarian, the Libertarian definition given here is definitely biased. While it is essentially true, it defines them by what they oppose (government action), rather than going further to define what they support (private action to replace government action). That definition is rather poor,IMHO.
The Conservative definition also eliminates the positive aspect of what Conservatism does,though to a lesser degree than the Libertarian definition.
Note that the Liberal definition doesn't really employ any negative defining terms.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 7:08:57 AM EDT
HAHA what a bunch of hooey.

They should just come out and say it:

Liberalism - The party of tolerance, equality and benevolence. Oft seen rescuing minority babies and kittens from floods, conservatives, etc. and liberating tax money from millionaires and distributing it to the Less Fortunate.

Libertarianism - The party of Dale Gribble.

Conservativism - Slave-owning, Nazi, puppy-stomping child molesters. Intolerant towards other races, homosexuality and book-learnin'.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:53:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mattman42:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim



And that's what libertarianism is all about. Common sense.



And wide open borders...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 1:51:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.




Why is that wrong?



You need to get a sense of humor.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:00:49 PM EDT
Liberalism - Welfare queens

Libertarianism - Militia men

Conservativism - Baby-eaters
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:15:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
Liberalism - Welfare queens

Libertarianism - Militia men

Conservativism - Baby-eaters



Oh, I get it now, symbiotic relationship. The liberals kill the babies, and give them to the conservatives to eat. In return, the conservatives keep people poor so the liberals can give them welfare. The militia men just do whatever the fuck they want and give everyone else the finger.

Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:28:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
Liberalism - Welfare queens

Libertarianism - Militia men

Conservativism - Baby-eaters



Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:36:33 AM EDT
You could always do
Liberalism - No free market or Constitution
Libertarinism - Free market and Only the constution
Conservivtism - Kindof free market and sorta the constution
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:33:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:55:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaizoku:

Originally Posted By mattman42:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim



And that's what libertarianism is all about. Common sense.



And wide open borders...

Not all libertarian's believe in open borders.....just because someone is a libertarian, doesn't make them in lock step with the party. Personally I march to my own drum beat.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:44:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.




Why is that wrong?



You need to get a sense of humor.

Or perhaps you could explain to me why it is funny? He who laughs last didn't get the joke.



I have a sense of humor. Funny is funny. It is funny.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:44:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:35:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.




Why is that wrong?



You need to get a sense of humor.

Or perhaps you could explain to me why it is funny? He who laughs last didn't get the joke.



I have a sense of humor. Funny is funny. It is funny.

Oh. Well, in that case:



See ? This makes ARFCOM a much nicer place !
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:51:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.




Why is that wrong?



You need to get a sense of humor.

Or perhaps you could explain to me why it is funny? He who laughs last didn't get the joke.



I have a sense of humor. Funny is funny. It is funny.

Oh. Well, in that case:



See ? This makes ARFCOM a much nicer place !



I have a sense of humor too, but why is it funny? I think it's very close to the truth and those who believe in "liberalism" are funny to me, and sickening, disgusting, stupid, hardheaded, ignorant of history, etc. The list goes on.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 11:17:53 PM EDT
If this text is illustrative of the higher knowledge you're being taught, I hope you're not paying too much for your education.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 11:37:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By kaizoku:

Originally Posted By mattman42:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim



And that's what libertarianism is all about. Common sense.



And wide open borders...

Not all libertarian's believe in open borders.....just because someone is a libertarian, doesn't make them in lock step with the party. Personally I march to my own drum beat.



Same here. There is a difference between the Big "L" Libertarian and the little "l" libertarian. I'm libertarian, but not necessarily Libertarian.

Jim
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 11:52:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By kaizoku:

Originally Posted By mattman42:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Skepticism of all government activities isn't libertarianism, it's common sense.

Jim



And that's what libertarianism is all about. Common sense.



And wide open borders...

Not all libertarian's believe in open borders.....just because someone is a libertarian, doesn't make them in lock step with the party. Personally I march to my own drum beat.



Same here. There is a difference between the Big "L" Libertarian and the little "l" libertarian. I'm libertarian, but not necessarily Libertarian.

Jim



You both bring up very good points.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 3:49:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 4:27:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 4:30:54 AM EDT by -brass-]
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 4:50:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By UPD415:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By UPD415:
The definition of Liberalism should read the same as communism and socialism since that is what Liberalism has become.




Why is that wrong?



You need to get a sense of humor.

Or perhaps you could explain to me why it is funny? He who laughs last didn't get the joke.



I have a sense of humor. Funny is funny. It is funny.

Oh. Well, in that case:



See ? This makes ARFCOM a much nicer place !



I have a sense of humor too, but why is it funny? I think it's very close to the truth and those who believe in "liberalism" are funny to me, and sickening, disgusting, stupid, hardheaded, ignorant of history, etc. The list goes on.

Don't question, just laugh, because it is funny



Exactly ! Too many humor impaired here.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 5:00:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 6:47:15 PM EDT by Mr-H]
Cultural context aside . . .

Liberals: People who want to be liberated from certain standards or principals.

Conservatives: People who want to conserve (or preserve) certain standards or principals.

Liberterians: I don't know.

So, yesterday's liberal becomes tomorrows conservative and vice versa.

Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:37:00 PM EDT
That's a joke right?
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:44:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
That's a joke right?



There ya go ! More humor !
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