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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:54:50 AM EST
A good friend of mine has been talking about buying a gun for several years now, asking me for recommendations, but never pulled the trigger.
He's extremely liberal and has only been shooting with me in the past, but he enjoyed it.

A couple weeks ago, he called me and said that he just bought his first gun: a snub nose .38 S&W.
Bully for you I say, but he goes on...

"Ya, I went all out and got the version with the laser sight, but I have to say I'm really disappointed. I thought this thing would be more accurate with the laser; it doesn't seem to shoot that well".

Me:


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 5:57:28 AM EST
well, in, I guess.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 5:58:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 5:58:51 AM EST by TheLion]
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 5:58:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 5:59:36 AM EST by mjohn3006]
I'm a range officer and one of my favorite things to do is watch someone sucking ass shooting a handgun all over the place, and when I go up to ask if they would like some suggestions, they cut me off and blame the gun. I ask if I may shoot it to diagnose their problem. Then I shoot the 10 ring out.

Me
Them

Me. Can I make some suggestions on your grip, stance, trigger control, and inform you that you are anticipating the shit out of the recoil?
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:00:22 AM EST
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:01:21 AM EST
[Yoda] mmmm, teach him you must[Yoda]
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:01:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I'm a range officer and one of my favorite things to do is watch someone sucking ass shooting a handgun all over the place, and when I go up to ask if they would like some suggestions, they cut me off and blame the gun. I ask if I may shoot it to diagnose their problem. Then I shoot the 10 ring out.

Me
Them

Me. Can I make some suggestions on your grip, stance, and inform you that you are anticipating the snot our of the recoil?

Lol, ya...I have no idea what BS they told him at the gunshop, but he was under the impression that has stupid laser grip sights would make the gun more accurate; something I found pretty funny, but I didn't want to burst his bubble.

I told him we'd hit the range together as soon as I could and I'd give him some pointers.


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:01:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:02:30 AM EST
S&W Bodyguard 38. I have one.

Not a bad carry piece.

Originally Posted By TheLion:
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?


Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:02:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.

You honestly think he has the balls to shoot someone


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:02:59 AM EST
Sell him a box of .38 ammo that has the laser sensing tracking built in.

I think the going rate is $500 a box or so.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:04:06 AM EST
I hate lasers at the range. Guys who don't turn them off while reloading etc. looks like a pink floyd light show exept one never knows if there might be in the poi spot.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:05:46 AM EST
take all of his ammo and give it to less fortunate people who didnt get to go to the gunshop that day.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:06:39 AM EST

So now we know who the guy was that walked into a gun store asking for a 38special snubnose with a scope...referring to a post from yesterday, I think.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:06:51 AM EST
why are you arming the enemy ?
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:07:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


I raffed but on a serious note there are considerably better odds of him becoming 2A friendly then there are him being on the socialist side of a domestic civil war. The best bet is to teach him how to shoot correctly and bring him into the fold.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:07:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hawcer:

So now we know who the guy was that walked into a gun store asking for a 38special snubnose with a scope...referring to a post from yesterday, I think.

Lol...link?
Was it in PA?


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:08:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By NRA2:
I hate lasers at the range. Guys who don't turn them off while reloading etc. looks like a pink floyd light show exept one never knows if there might be in the poi spot.


We have a laser pointer in the ranger station and to get someones attention because they don't have their glasses on, or something we will sometimes hit their target or hand with the laser. Its funny to watch. You don;t think about the fact you are at a range with guns and guns sometimes have lasers. So when a laser beam shows up on someones arm their reaction, is "what is that", "oh a laser", Oh fuck! God no! Laser What the hell!!!" Look up and see me waving.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:08:22 AM EST
Wit' da beemz, yo!
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:11:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By NRA2:
I hate lasers at the range. Guys who don't turn them off while reloading etc. looks like a pink floyd light show exept one never knows if there might be in the poi spot.


I have one on my G23 and I'd take it off if my wife didn't use it. I find it distracting. Sure, I can see the benefits in low light situations, but that's about it. Plus it shows of how bad I jerk right before I pull the trigger.

My wife, however, can out shoot me when she's using it, and she's not taking her time either. No laser and she's not good. But she's left eye dominant and right handed, so it's a Godsend for her.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:14:14 AM EST
Don't make him feel too bad about the laser - you can turn it into a teaching tool by having him watch how the beam dips and weaves as he fires improperly - especially if YOU load the gun for him and don't let him see you've left a chamber empty (or with a snap-cap in it). Eventually you have to wean him off of it, of course.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:19:17 AM EST
Why are you friends with a liberal?
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:19:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheLion:
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?


I've got a Ruger SP101 with a 2 inch barrel with CT grips on it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:20:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheLion:
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?


Smith and wesson sells a few models with OEM Crimson Trace laser grips.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:22:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 6:28:38 AM EST by SteelonSteel]
Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I'm a range officer and one of my favorite things to do is watch someone sucking ass shooting a handgun all over the place, and when I go up to ask if they would like some suggestions, they cut me off and blame the gun. I ask if I may shoot it to diagnose their problem. Then I shoot the 10 ring out.

Me
Them

Me. Can I make some suggestions on your grip, stance, trigger control, and inform you that you are anticipating the shit out of the recoil?


I did that with a young skinny lad who had just inherited a nice older usgi 1911a1 and was testing it at the club range. He kept having stoppages and was not shooting too well either. I didn't get pushy but asked him if he was a problem with it. He thought the gun might be broken and I looked it over, bushing decent, barrel link locks good, etc. He asked me to fire it. I ran a magazine through it, no stoppages, plenty accurate for a box stock usgi 1911. We worked on his grip and stance and eliminated the limp wrist stoppages. His accuracy came up a bit. Later I heard he was suprised I wasn't a typical A hole cop demanding his pistol license and instead was being helpful. I must have great street creds.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:22:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Why are you friends with a liberal?

Because I'm not an isolated weirdo
We have similar interests that have nothing to do with politics...we just don't talk about politics anymore when we hang out.
He actually prefers that more than I because he is not a very good debater


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:23:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?


Smith and wesson sells a few models with OEM Crimson Trace laser grips.


American Rifleman did a piece on these several years ago. The laser overcomes the short sighting radius.

They were able to get groups of about 1 1/2" at 25 yards, IIRC.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:24:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
38 snub nose with a laser? Did he buy an airsoft?


Smith and wesson sells a few models with OEM Crimson Trace laser grips.

Yup. I have a 642 with factory CT grips. Bought it for the ex-wife.

Of course, in the divorce, I told her since my name was on the 4473 that it was "registered" to me and she couldn't have it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:26:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Originally Posted By NRA2:
I hate lasers at the range. Guys who don't turn them off while reloading etc. looks like a pink floyd light show exept one never knows if there might be in the poi spot.


We have a laser pointer in the ranger station and to get someones attention because they don't have their glasses on, or something we will sometimes hit their target or hand with the laser. Its funny to watch. You don;t think about the fact you are at a range with guns and guns sometimes have lasers. So when a laser beam shows up on someones arm their reaction, is "what is that", "oh a laser", Oh fuck! God no! Laser What the hell!!!" Look up and see me waving.


Not for nothing but I would fear someone to panic once they realize they're being lazed. Turn around with a loaded gun or other unexpected turn of events. Paint their target fine but on their person is a tad dicey.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:29:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By XD-GEM:
Don't make him feel too bad about the laser - you can turn it into a teaching tool by having him watch how the beam dips and weaves as he fires improperly - especially if YOU load the gun for him and don't let him see you've left a chamber empty (or with a snap-cap in it). Eventually you have to wean him off of it, of course.


Dryfire and watching the laser dip is the best use of a laser IMO.

Use that thing to develop a clean, straight to the rear trigger press.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:30:05 AM EST
Pay attention sometime to those lasers on the range and see how many times people get swept during recoil. Damn dot goes everwhere to include BEHIND the shooter.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:31:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:32:35 AM EST
In before DanTSX is in here to suggest a Glock 19
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:32:37 AM EST
If he voted for Obama, how much assistance should he get?
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:37:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.

You honestly think he has the balls to shoot someone


Speed


i honestly assume most liberals don't have the self-control necessary to keep from shooting someone over something minor, and in classic liberal form they project this on everyone else. therefore, in their mind, NOBODY has the self-control to properly own and use firearms.

it's why you constantly hear liberals talking about people shooting each other over parking spaces and the likes, despite the fact that it happens at a frequency so low as to be a statistical anomaly.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:38:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
If he voted for Obama, how much assistance should he get?

True story: he enrolled in some student loan forgiveness program; not because he couldn't pay or anything, but because he agreed to work for a place that benefits society or some shit.
He gets a reduced payment, then after a certain number of years, his entire balance is wiped clean by the government

He doesn't make that much really. I don't blame him for taking advantage of the program.


Speed



Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:46:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Originally Posted By NRA2:
I hate lasers at the range. Guys who don't turn them off while reloading etc. looks like a pink floyd light show exept one never knows if there might be in the poi spot.


We have a laser pointer in the ranger station and to get someones attention because they don't have their glasses on, or something we will sometimes hit their target or hand with the laser. Its funny to watch. You don;t think about the fact you are at a range with guns and guns sometimes have lasers. So when a laser beam shows up on someones arm their reaction, is "what is that", "oh a laser", Oh fuck! God no! Laser What the hell!!!" Look up and see me waving.


Not for nothing but I would fear someone to panic once they realize they're being lazed. Turn around with a loaded gun or other unexpected turn of events. Paint their target fine but on their person is a tad dicey.



Good point. But I don't do it when they have a gun in their hands, and 9 out of 10 times I just go out there and tell them in person.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:47:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
If he voted for Obama, how much assistance should he get?


none from me
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:50:10 AM EST
The laser grips are perfect for the 38 snub nose. Now tell your "friend" he needs to dry fire it 10,000 times tell him to focus the laser on a spot on the wall and practice trigger control. More than likely his pistol is accurate.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:50:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Why are you friends with a liberal?

Because I'm not an isolated weirdo
We have similar interests that have nothing to do with politics...we just don't talk about politics anymore when we hang out.
He actually prefers that more than I because he is not a very good debater


Speed


Liberals want to destroy your way of life and steal the fruits of your labor. Being friends with them is like a jew being friends with a Nazi. Sure that nazi might be a charming guy but he stands for your destruction.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:52:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Why are you friends with a liberal?

Because I'm not an isolated weirdo
We have similar interests that have nothing to do with politics...we just don't talk about politics anymore when we hang out.
He actually prefers that more than I because he is not a very good debater


Speed


Liberals want to destroy your way of life and steal the fruits of your labor. Being friends with them is like a jew being friends with a Nazi. Sure that nazi might be a charming guy but he stands for your destruction.

Holy Shit Godwin's law on the first page


Speed
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:08:22 AM EST
Tell him there good for pointing at aircraft.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:20:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I'm a range officer and one of my favorite things to do is watch someone sucking ass shooting a handgun all over the place, and when I go up to ask if they would like some suggestions, they cut me off and blame the gun. I ask if I may shoot it to diagnose their problem. Then I shoot the 10 ring out.

Me
Them

Me. Can I make some suggestions on your grip, stance, trigger control, and inform you that you are anticipating the shit out of the recoil?


I kinda had the opposite experience.

RO of a range I used to frequent (and know the guy fairly well from my frequent visits) complements my shooting, but observes that I'm off: I hadn't adjusted the sights yet, and had a 1.5" group to the 9 o'clock of the X. I offer to let him shoot it; well I guess he tries to "out-score" with some Kentucky windage and shoots five shots in the center of the paper...in about a 5" group that doesn't actually touch the outside circle of the X. I take the gun back, click my rear sight over a bit to the right, and shoot a 2" group that almost removes the X. His only response: "well, good thing that gun shoots really well for you."

Gun was a Ruger Security Six shooting Federal ammo.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:25:08 AM EST
Good job, speed. You planted the seed and it's starting to grow. It's more effective to lead by example than spend your time arguing someone into a corner. We are now one person closer in preserving our rights.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:29:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


That's especially an especially creepy thing to say when used in conjunction with your avatar.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:31:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 7:32:05 AM EST by JmPnTX]
Lulz... "It's not laser guided dude!"

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:44:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By dan1802:
why are you arming the enemy ?
I prefer to think of it as using the liberal friend as a remote ammo dump.

When the L/F is overwhelmed on mass transit during a riot, OP can come by later and ransack the horde.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 7:54:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


Don't teach the enemy how to shoot.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 8:01:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


I raffed but on a serious note there are considerably better odds of him becoming 2A friendly then there are him being on the socialist side of a domestic civil war. The best bet is to teach him how to shoot correctly and bring him into the fold.


It's a disease. You don't cure them.

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 8:02:36 AM EST
I am friends with liberals and I help them buy guns. It has been my experience that the first step away from moonbattery is the purchase of a gun. I help them take that step.
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Why are you friends with a liberal?


Link Posted: 11/21/2012 8:06:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Good. I don't want your liberal friend to be able to hit shit.


I raffed but on a serious note there are considerably better odds of him becoming 2A friendly then there are him being on the socialist side of a domestic civil war. The best bet is to teach him how to shoot correctly and bring him into the fold.


It's a disease. You don't cure them.



Some people believe liberals are well meaning but misguided people. I do not share that opinion. I think they are evil people who wish to destroy my way of life and steal the fruits of my labor.
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