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Posted: 9/20/2005 11:07:07 PM EDT
well?
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:20:28 PM EDT
Well, I am a Poli Sci major, and thats a Liberal Art....
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:22:15 PM EDT
If it's done the right way, it's good. But the humanities have been really worked over by the modern university and academia. Politicized up the ying-yang, PC'd to death, past contributions denigrated because the people who made them were too predictably white, male, and European.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:23:22 PM EDT
Most evil dictators, fascists, and communists/socialists were liberal arts students or artists. You connect the dots.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:24:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
If it's done the right way, it's good. But the humanities have been really worked over by the modern university and academia. Politicized up the ying-yang,



Yeah. Could be a great discipline if the asshats in the academy hadn't made themselves irrelevant.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:26:07 PM EDT
There is nothing wrong with being well studied.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:27:03 PM EDT
It's been screwed over by the PC movement. History, philosophy, politics are part of what made our country great.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:32:55 PM EDT
Too many people think that University is about learning facts. Its not, its about learning how to think. The trivium and quadrivium type shit. My school in particular is interested in turning out a well rounded individual. An engineering degree, for instance, is worthless if you can't communicate your thoughts.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:43:44 PM EDT
I'm a Liberal Art's major... I just took the easy way out. After 2 years of Tech School. I just wanted that piece of paper that said I persevered 4 years of BS! The Colleges give the hard sell that there creating well rounded thinkers. At a time when companys are buying specific technical do'ers... A 4 year Liberal Art degree just makes a great conversion piece, that's all......... But then you could always wipe your butt with it during a hurricane.....
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 12:54:22 AM EDT
of course.... very little of it has to do with Known Facts And Right Answers
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:12:10 AM EDT
So, subjects like English, History, Criminal Justice and Political Science are evil just because they have "liberal" in the college title? WTF? No, really- WTF? Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:26:13 AM EDT
Knowledge is not evil.



In the history of education, the seven liberal arts comprised two groups of studies, the trivium and the quadrivium. Studies in the trivium involved Grammar, rhetoric, and dialectic (logic); and studies in the quadrivium involved arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music. These liberal arts made up the core curriculum of the medieval universities. The term liberal in liberal arts originally meant "appropriate for free men" (social and political elites), and they were contrasted with the servile arts. The liberal arts represented the kinds of skills and general knowledge needed by the elite echelon of society, whereas the servile arts represented specialized tradesman skills and knowledge needed by persons who were employed by the elite.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts

The liberal arts have evolved to include physics, biology, and engineering.

Historically, the liberal arts were studied by the elite. Does that sound evil?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:27:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 3:28:18 AM EDT by tc556guy]
Your choices aren't even worth trying to select an answer from.
Theres nothing evil about liberal arts.And since when is liberal arts a "subject" rather than a general course of study?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:47:40 AM EDT
When I was in college, a Liberal Arts degree meant = "Do you want fries with that...?"
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:32:04 AM EDT
sarcasm seems to go wasted on this forum
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:41:34 AM EDT
I was going to get a Liberal Arts degree but went with the PHD in mall sales and fast food management.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:42:36 AM EDT

Liberal Arts.



Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:23:22 AM EDT
At my university both my majors are considered liberal arts. Political Science and PERA/Coaching Track and Field. Nothing wrong with a liberal arts major.

-Ben
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:30:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Most evil dictators, fascists, and communists/socialists were liberal arts students or artists. You connect the dots.



Sweet! I've got something to look forward to........EVIL DICTATOR!!!!![evil laugh too]

My students already think I've achieved this....
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:31:38 AM EDT
<- BA in History, currently getting an MA in History.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:38:03 AM EDT
Liberal Arts = More rounded education.

I'm at a liberal arts school, and though it's nice to be educated in many different things, I'm at a slight disadvantage when the flood gates open after I graduate... Though i'm a econ major, I also know a lot about geology, history, electronics, and physics. That's nice. My peers at state schools who are economics majors are working on stuff that I probably won't even hear about till grad school, and hence will have much more impressive stuff to show to recruiters at leading firms. Me? I just have my charm I guess

Liberal arts is better for making informed citizens, but really, i would have preferred a more concentrated study so that I could be of more value, and earn more bank when I graduate.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:50:41 AM EDT
gordon, what school are you at?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:54:18 AM EDT
Many universities use Liberal Arts as an "other" catagory. If you're not in the College of Science, Medicine, Engineering, Business, Education, Nursing (etc.), you get lumped into Liberal Arts.

Usually degrees like Poly Sci, Sociology, Communications, P.R./Marketing/Advertising, History are all part of the Liberal Arts program.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:54:34 AM EDT
Absolutely not. Silly question.

All disciplines have their merit and [relative] worth.

We need historians, musicians and grammarians just as much as we need Dr. Strangeloves.

Remember, Beethoven was a "liberal arts" major.

Now...about those cheesy artists though...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:57:50 AM EDT
[Balky]Don't be ridiculous[/Balky]
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:02:01 AM EDT
The liberal arts are just fine.

Liberal doesn't mean "leftist", at least historically it didn't. The left has grabbed the terms "progressive" and "liberal", but in fact Ronald Reagan was more of a real liberal than the leftists who opposed him.

Within the modern academy there are a number of over-the-top leftists, typically concentrated in "women's studies", "African American studies", "Chicana Studies", and sometimes in valid departments such as history, that have been taken over by leftists. But that doesn't mean that liberal arts in general are bad, but to some degree they have degenerated.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:05:34 AM EDT
This poll is stupid.

Liberal arts is a term for a general education, not leftism.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:25:32 AM EDT

The problem with liberal arts is that it does not include the study of reality.

Reality is the set of absolute rules that govern everything, can't be violated, always have been and always will be, and are the same everywhere.

Note: can't be violated short of a miracle and always...for all practical purposes.

Reality is learned in Engineering, Physics, Chemistry and the other Physical Sciences. Flying, boating, driving, shooting, archery and many more things like that also yield some knowledge of reality. Many blue-collar trades also impart a good working knowledge of reality. The language of reality is numbers and equations.

liberal arts majors study fantasy, nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up. That's fine, except it gives a person a mental foundation of Jell-O...upon which to make their decisions. The consequence is that person having very low critical thinking skills. Thinking things like there are no real differences, only differences of perspective. That things are a matter of viewpoint. (What a dumb thing to think.)

Knowledge of the rules of reality, laws of nature, along with a knowledge of how to use the rules to do problem solving gives a person an excellent and firm mental foundation on which to base their decisions. The result is having good critical thinking skills.

For ten years I worked as and engineer along with other engineers. Generally, the engineers could figure things out very well.

For the next eighteen years I worked as a high school teacher in the education industry. The education industry is totally confused and helpless to perform the task assigned to it. The vast majority of people 'working' in this industry have no knowledge of reality and don't even know that reality exists. They make wrong decisions most of the time. So do the legislators who make the rules of the education industry. Bad decisions, based on bad decisions and a complete ignorance of the set of rules that govern the universe...leads to the catastrophically bad results we all see.

Think of the mind as a cash register. Give it to little children, liberal arts majors, and they will put sticks, stones and dirt in the cash drawer. In this case the cash register isn't worth much. Give the same cash register to engineers and physical scientists and they put the mental equivalent of money into the cash drawer. In this last case the cash register now has positive value.

Finally, filling the mind with fantasy is not just of no value, it is of negative value. That is, it is worth less-than-zero, it is actively and aggressively harmful.

As and example I offer charles eichmann-schumer. schumer probably has a reasonably high gross intelligence, but in school he has studied only nonsense and bullshit that is just not true and is actively harmful. But, he thinks he has knowledge, he simply does not know enough reality to understand that he knows nothing of value, less than zero. So, to pump up his ego and to 'be somebody' he becomes a senator. In the senate he votes incorrectly just about 100% of the time. He will never know or be able to understand that he is wrong because his net intelligence is extremely low...because he has filled his mind with the mental equivalent of sticks, stones and dirt.

eichmann-schumer is jewish. During the world war II era, german totalitarian socialists killed 15 million christians and 6 million jews. (soviet totalitarian socialists killed 62 million christians.) (These figures don't include soilders. Look up democide.) Even though totalitarian socialists, liberals, killed 6 million jews, schumer a jew himself, is a totalitarian socialists and pushes the totalitarian socialist agenda with unrelenting vigor. (I don't expect a totally self centered 'person' like schumer to care about the 15 million christians the german liberals killed, let alone the 62 million killed by the soviet liberals. But, the point is that schumer is just not smart enough to understand that he belongs to the same political party that tried to exterminate the jews...jews like him. And that, right there, is all you need to know about liberal arts.

Extreminate activists.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:28:52 AM EDT
Thats a foolish post. Reason and logic are technically liberal arts.

And most engineers and doctors dont know shit about history. Apparently you are an exception
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:31:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:


liberal arts majors study fantasy, nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up. That's fine, except it gives a person a mental foundation of Jell-O...upon which to make their decisions. The consequence is that person having very low critical thinking skills. Thinking things like there are no real differences, only differences of perspective. That things are a matter of viewpoint. (What a dumb thing to think.)




Yes, that made up fantasy stuff like history, language, political science, economic theory and people skills. Perhaps you should write a book on the subject. I would suggest:

"Engineering the Alienation of Others for Fun and Self-Aggrandizement"

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:40:32 AM EDT


liberal arts majors study fantasy, nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up.



You don't know what you're talking about.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:44:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By legalese77:

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:


liberal arts majors study fantasy, nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up. That's fine, except it gives a person a mental foundation of Jell-O...upon which to make their decisions. The consequence is that person having very low critical thinking skills. Thinking things like there are no real differences, only differences of perspective. That things are a matter of viewpoint. (What a dumb thing to think.)




Yes, that made up fantasy stuff like history, language, political science, economic theory and people skills. Perhaps you should write a book on the subject. I would suggest:

"Engineering the Alienation of Others for Fun and Self-Aggrandizement"




Economics is not a Liberal Arts. It is part of the Business and Managment school. It is heavy on math, statistics, and accounting/finance so it is more of a science due to the math component. At least at my college anyway. Plus, my degree in Economics is a BS, not a BA. I also had to have a senior thesis/ research project.

Liberal Arts schools should also include "Unemployment Line 101" as many people around here that get a general ed. degree cant get much of a job outside teaching.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:46:27 AM EDT


Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Most evil dictators, fascists, and communists/socialists were liberal arts students or artists. You connect the dots.



I'd be really surprised if most of the "good" modern politicians weren't liberal arts students, what with PoliSci and its related fields being in the liberal arts category.

I bet most bombmakers (ours and theirs) were <<gasp>> engineering students too...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:53:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 11:54:49 AM EDT by legalese77]

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
Economics is not a Liberal Arts. It is part of the Business and Managment school. It is heavy on math, statistics, and accounting/finance so it is more of a science due to the math component. At least at my college anyway. Plus, my degree in Economics is a BS, not a BA. I also had to have a senior thesis/ research project.

Liberal Arts schools should also include "Unemployment Line 101" as many people around here that get a general ed. degree cant get much of a job outside teaching.



If you say so



The College of Liberal Arts and Sciences offers a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) degree and a Bachelor of Science (B.S.) degree in Economics. The B.S. degree is designed primarily for students intending to seek employment upon completion of their undergraduate studies. The B.A. degree is designed primarily for students intending to go on to graduate school or law school. The W. P. Carey School of Business also offers a B.S. degree in Economics. Faculty, course descriptions, and the major requirements in the W. P. Carey School of Business are listed under “Department of Economics.”

ECONOMICS—B.A. - Back to Top

The B.A. is designed to prepare students for graduate programs in economics, business, or law. Concurrent degree programs such as mathematics and physics coordinate well with the B.A. program in economics.

The requirements for the B.A. in Economics consist of three parts: the university requirements for all students at ASU, see “University Graduation Requirements”; the requirements of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, see “College Degree Requirements”; and the requirements of the Department of Economics.



Are you suggesting that Mike is right? If not, maybe you can tell me just what you're trying to say. I have a double major in Fantasy/Nonsense and Bullshit so I'm having trouble understanding the point you're making.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 12:04:37 PM EDT
I think people like to call it nonsense so that they can feel that they are hard-nosed realists in a world of wishy-washiness.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 12:08:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
The problem with liberal arts is that it does not include the study of reality.

Reality is the set of absolute rules that govern everything, can't be violated, always have been and always will be, and are the same everywhere.

Note: can't be violated short of a miracle and always...for all practical purposes.

Reality is learned in Engineering, Physics, Chemistry and the other Physical Sciences. Flying, boating, driving, shooting, archery and many more things like that also yield some knowledge of reality. Many blue-collar trades also impart a good working knowledge of reality. The language of reality is numbers and equations.

liberal arts majors study fantasy, nonsense and bullshit that somebody just made up. That's fine, except it gives a person a mental foundation of Jell-O...upon which to make their decisions. The consequence is that person having very low critical thinking skills. Thinking things like there are no real differences, only differences of perspective. That things are a matter of viewpoint. (What a dumb thing to think.)

Knowledge of the rules of reality, laws of nature, along with a knowledge of how to use the rules to do problem solving gives a person an excellent and firm mental foundation on which to base their decisions. The result is having good critical thinking skills.

For ten years I worked as and engineer along with other engineers. Generally, the engineers could figure things out very well.

For the next eighteen years I worked as a high school teacher in the education industry. The education industry is totally confused and helpless to perform the task assigned to it. The vast majority of people 'working' in this industry have no knowledge of reality and don't even know that reality exists. They make wrong decisions most of the time. So do the legislators who make the rules of the education industry. Bad decisions, based on bad decisions and a complete ignorance of the set of rules that govern the universe...leads to the catastrophically bad results we all see.

Think of the mind as a cash register. Give it to little children, liberal arts majors, and they will put sticks, stones and dirt in the cash drawer. In this case the cash register isn't worth much. Give the same cash register to engineers and physical scientists and they put the mental equivalent of money into the cash drawer. In this last case the cash register now has positive value.

Finally, filling the mind with fantasy is not just of no value, it is of negative value. That is, it is worth less-than-zero, it is actively and aggressively harmful.

As and example I offer charles eichmann-schumer. schumer probably has a reasonably high gross intelligence, but in school he has studied only nonsense and bullshit that is just not true and is actively harmful. But, he thinks he has knowledge, he simply does not know enough reality to understand that he knows nothing of value, less than zero. So, to pump up his ego and to 'be somebody' he becomes a senator. In the senate he votes incorrectly just about 100% of the time. He will never know or be able to understand that he is wrong because his net intelligence is extremely low...because he has filled his mind with the mental equivalent of sticks, stones and dirt.

eichmann-schumer is jewish. During the world war II era, german totalitarian socialists killed 15 million christians and 6 million jews. (soviet totalitarian socialists killed 62 million christians.) (These figures don't include soilders. Look up democide.) Even though totalitarian socialists, liberals, killed 6 million jews, schumer a jew himself, is a totalitarian socialists and pushes the totalitarian socialist agenda with unrelenting vigor. (I don't expect a totally self centered 'person' like schumer to care about the 15 million christians the german liberals killed, let alone the 62 million killed by the soviet liberals. But, the point is that schumer is just not smart enough to understand that he belongs to the same political party that tried to exterminate the jews...jews like him. And that, right there, is all you need to know about liberal arts.

Extreminate activists.



Your incredible ignorance is on exhibit for all to see. Keep it up!
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