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Posted: 9/27/2014 8:21:30 PM EST
I need to tow something heavier than what my truck "Should" tow.

Tow rating is 2450lbs

Loaded trailer is 3100lbs

Difference of about 650lbs.

What I need to do is mitigate the weight of an average arfcommer and safely tow the load.


TO BE CLEAR. BUYING/BORROWING A BIGGER TRUCK IS NOT AN OPTION.

What are the main factors in how a tow rating is decided?

Brakes? Engine? Trans? Weight?

Can I reasonably tow the extra 650 if I add trailer brakes and a controller?

Link Posted: 9/27/2014 8:37:32 PM EST
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?

Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 8:53:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?

Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.
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Not a bad point. Just what make/model are we talking about?

Hell, my forester can pull close to that. The shitty thing about Subaru's is their mounting. Reduced tongue weight to around 200lbs. Even a standard sedan can do 300lbs.

But things being what they are I'd look at how far your are traveling, how slow/easy you can take it, and how you can balance the load.

Looking to screw with max capacity is something you may consider paying a few bucks and renting a truck for the purpose if one is not just able to be handed to you.

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 9:06:04 PM EST
Truck is a 98 ford ranger 3.0

Trailer is a Hunter 22 sailboat.

Renting really isnt an option for the couple weeks I'll be where I am. Very cost prohibitive.

Problem is I can't get a firm answer on tow rating on this truck. It can be as low as 1800lbs to as much as 5900.

Only issue I see is stopping power, hence considering putting on trailer brakes which would be fairly cheap (already have them) and easy.
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 9:08:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Truck is a 98 ford ranger 3.0

Trailer is a Hunter 22 sailboat.

Renting really isnt an option for the couple weeks I'll be where I am. Very cost prohibitive.

Problem is I can't get a firm answer on tow rating on this truck. It can be as low as 1800lbs to as much as 5900.

Only issue I see is stopping power, hence considering putting on trailer brakes which would be fairly cheap (already have them) and easy.
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I'd be just as worried about burning out your trans as I would stopping.

Hopefully someone can help you with a more solid number on what your capacity is. A lot of times it's stamped into the car either in the door jam or on the bumper near the plate or tow hitch.

Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck!

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 9:29:44 PM EST
Since it's a sail boat and you list location as GA, I'll assume this will be for fairly short distances, minimal grades, at or near sea level. With surge brakes, you should fine.
Link Posted: 9/27/2014 9:39:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Truck is a 98 ford ranger 3.0

Trailer is a Hunter 22 sailboat.

Renting really isnt an option for the couple weeks I'll be where I am. Very cost prohibitive.

Problem is I can't get a firm answer on tow rating on this truck. It can be as low as 1800lbs to as much as 5900.

Only issue I see is stopping power, hence considering putting on trailer brakes which would be fairly cheap (already have them) and easy.
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Stopping power may be a minor issue. How long is your truck vs the boat trailer?


A little caution and planning ahead goes a long ways in situations like this. Coming from someone who has towed a bass boat with a jeep wrangler
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 12:05:07 AM EST
Many vehicles are severely underrated by their manufacturer in terms of towing. I suspect this is because of liability and idiots

I usually look at what the European rating is on the vehicle. Ive towed 3000 pounds with my Camry. Hundreds of miles. Throw on a tranny cooler, keep it under 60, and out of Overdrive.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 1:50:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Truck is a 98 ford ranger 3.0

Trailer is a Hunter 22 sailboat.

Renting really isnt an option for the couple weeks I'll be where I am. Very cost prohibitive.

Problem is I can't get a firm answer on tow rating on this truck. It can be as low as 1800lbs to as much as 5900.

Only issue I see is stopping power, hence considering putting on trailer brakes which would be fairly cheap (already have them) and easy.
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Is there a hitch on the truck now or are you using a ball on a step bumper?
If just a ball on the step bumper I would not trust it to tow safely over the rating.
If you have a frame mounted hitch the truck itself can handle 3500lbs using a class 2 hitch, 4000lbs with a class3 and up to 6000lbs with class 3 weight distributing type hitch
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:07:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Since it's a sail boat and you list location as GA, I'll assume this will be for fairly short distances, minimal grades, at or near sea level. With surge brakes, you should fine.
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Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Since it's a sail boat and you list location as GA, I'll assume this will be for fairly short distances, minimal grades, at or near sea level. With surge brakes, you should fine.


I'm wanting to take the boat to the gulf and then at a later date to the florida keys. So distance will be fairly long.


Originally Posted By Krochus:

Stopping power may be a minor issue. How long is your truck vs the boat trailer?


A little caution and planning ahead goes a long ways in situations like this. Coming from someone who has towed a bass boat with a jeep wrangler


I've got a CDL and use it so I'm not worried about that particular issue. They are about the same length.



Originally Posted By gatkeper:

Is there a hitch on the truck now or are you using a ball on a step bumper?
If just a ball on the step bumper I would not trust it to tow safely over the rating.
If you have a frame mounted hitch the truck itself can handle 3500lbs using a class 2 hitch, 4000lbs with a class3 and up to 6000lbs with class 3 weight distributing type hitch



Yes it has a quality class 3 hitch installed.

Also has an aftermarket large trans cooler installed, and an upgraded engine cooling system.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:12:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:


I'm wanting to take the boat to the gulf and then at a later date to the florida keys. So distance will be fairly long.




I've got a CDL and use it so I'm not worried about that particular issue. They are about the same length.






Yes it has a quality class 3 hitch installed.

Also has an aftermarket large trans cooler installed, and an upgraded engine cooling system.
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Since it's a sail boat and you list location as GA, I'll assume this will be for fairly short distances, minimal grades, at or near sea level. With surge brakes, you should fine.


I'm wanting to take the boat to the gulf and then at a later date to the florida keys. So distance will be fairly long.


Originally Posted By Krochus:

Stopping power may be a minor issue. How long is your truck vs the boat trailer?


A little caution and planning ahead goes a long ways in situations like this. Coming from someone who has towed a bass boat with a jeep wrangler


I've got a CDL and use it so I'm not worried about that particular issue. They are about the same length.



Originally Posted By gatkeper:

Is there a hitch on the truck now or are you using a ball on a step bumper?
If just a ball on the step bumper I would not trust it to tow safely over the rating.
If you have a frame mounted hitch the truck itself can handle 3500lbs using a class 2 hitch, 4000lbs with a class3 and up to 6000lbs with class 3 weight distributing type hitch



Yes it has a quality class 3 hitch installed.

Also has an aftermarket large trans cooler installed, and an upgraded engine cooling system.


If that is the case then I would say put some trailer brakes on it and go for it.

Just don't do any hard acceleration and you will be fine.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:25:55 AM EST
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On a side note this thread is why I rail against how fundamentally retarded v6 compact trucks are

This ranger is only rated for 18mpg combined by the EPA that's essentially no fuel savings over a v6 or base v8 full sized that would be completely at home towing a load such as this.

V6 compact trucks are just small for the sake of small with 0 benefits to offset the downsides over a full sized truck
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:59:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Krochus:
On a side note this thread is why I rail against how fundamentally retarded v6 compact trucks are

This ranger is only rated for 18mpg combined by the EPA that's essentially no fuel savings over a v6 or base v8 full sized that would be completely at home towing a load such as this.

V6 compact trucks are just small for the sake of small with 0 benefits to offset the downsides over a full sized truck
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Yes and no.

You are right it doesn't have the tow capacity of a larger truck and has similar fuel economy, or lack of.

But it's much easier to park in small area's, It fits where larger trucks can't when moving in tight area's, and for the price of a stripped fleet big truck I got a fully loaded all option ranger.

Truth is I very rarely want or need to tow anything more than a lawn trailer. This trip will be a rarity to say the least.

Small truck fits my needs to a T. 97% of the time.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 8:17:21 AM EST
You should give newer regular cab short bed full sized trucks a try.

With the popularity of long 4door models they had to redesign things to allow a modicum if maneuverability with these behemoths. As such a regular cab full sized is now amazingly maneuverable.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 8:28:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Krochus:
You should give newer regular cab short bed full sized trucks a try.

With the popularity of long 4door models they had to redesign things to allow a modicum if maneuverability with these behemoths. As such a regular cab full sized is now amazingly maneuverable.
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Maybe one day. But for now I have a paid for truck with extended cab. As I said in the OP buying another truck is not an option. I'm well on my way to being entirely debt free and want to keep it that way.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 1:10:50 PM EST
Throw on trailer brakes and you'll be fine. Keep OD off it is an auto, and smooth starts and stops.

Might want into a weight distributing hitch too, if the tongue weight get heavy it's gonna get scary for you real fast.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 1:31:03 PM EST
What's the GCWR on the door placard?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 2:18:02 PM EST
Along with the other concerns posted, I would be concerned with how much that load is going to sag the rear end.
Get the front end too high, and you are going to have diminished steering control.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 2:21:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
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Front GAWR: 2500
Rear GAWR: 2600


GVWR: 4760

Link Posted: 9/28/2014 2:26:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MiniZ:
Along with the other concerns posted, I would be concerned with how much that load is going to sag the rear end.
Get the front end too high, and you are going to have diminished steering control.
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Actually not too worried about that. I'm pretty good at balancing my trailer tongue weight so it doesn't negatively impact tow vehicle performance parameters.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 2:28:40 PM EST
I'm gonna err on the side of NO


Simply because the psyical bulk of a big boat makes it tow a lot heavier than its weight would indicate on paper.

My 20" pontoon with a advertised package weight of 3500 lbs completely overwhelmed a 4door 4.7 v8 first gen tundras ability to handle it at highway speeds. It's not just weight but also how much wind they catch (head on and cross) they also tend to have much higher CG than something on a little low utility or car hauler trailer.

Your little ranger will be very overwhelmed by what the little thing can keep physically pointed in the right direction. If you must I would never exceed 40 mph during this trip
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:18:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Krochus:
I'm gonna err on the side of NO


Simply because the psyical bulk of a big boat makes it tow a lot heavier than its weight would indicate on paper.

My 20" pontoon with a advertised package weight of 3500 lbs completely overwhelmed a 4door 4.7 v8 first gen tundras ability to handle it at highway speeds. It's not just weight but also how much wind they catch (head on and cross) they also tend to have much higher CG than something on a little low utility or car hauler trailer.

Your little ranger will be very overwhelmed by what the little thing can keep physically pointed in the right direction. If you must I would never exceed 40 mph during this trip
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I've found that to be a factor of improper loading. Too much tongue weight will result in a light front end of the tow vehicle and less steering authority.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:39:49 PM EST
What size are the gears OP?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:02:08 PM EST
What's the weight of all passengers and other load you are taking?

Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:18:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
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That is the loaded trailer weight.

Weight of passenger is 220 plus another 30 in luggage.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:22:30 PM EST
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3.73
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 8:12:12 PM EST
If you have a frame mounted hitch and the trailer weight is balanced well, I would tow it without hesitation. You won't be getting anywhere fast.

Had a 97 3.0 manual for quite a while.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 8:21:39 PM EST
With further research factoring the 3.0 motor /
Auto trans 4x2 3.73 gears it looks like 7500lb gcwr with 3600-3800 lb trailer.
All this should've in the owners manual if you have one. Try the ranger forum for a downloadable copy
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 8:22:40 PM EST
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I've found that to be a factor of improper loading. Too much tongue weight will result in a light front end of the tow vehicle and less steering authority.
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Originally Posted By Krochus:
I'm gonna err on the side of NO


Simply because the psyical bulk of a big boat makes it tow a lot heavier than its weight would indicate on paper.

My 20" pontoon with a advertised package weight of 3500 lbs completely overwhelmed a 4door 4.7 v8 first gen tundras ability to handle it at highway speeds. It's not just weight but also how much wind they catch (head on and cross) they also tend to have much higher CG than something on a little low utility or car hauler trailer.

Your little ranger will be very overwhelmed by what the little thing can keep physically pointed in the right direction. If you must I would never exceed 40 mph during this trip



I've found that to be a factor of improper loading. Too much tongue weight will result in a light front end of the tow vehicle and less steering authority.


No offense but you're the guy asking if a ford ranger can tow a 22" sailboat.

You'll find out soon enough.


ETA out if curiosity what are you basing your 3100 lb boat/trailer figure on?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 10:27:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:



Front GAWR: 2500
Rear GAWR: 2600


GVWR: 4760

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/georgiab2/20140928_151615_zpsh6svrxsq.jpg
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
What's the GCWR on the door placard?



Front GAWR: 2500
Rear GAWR: 2600


GVWR: 4760

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/georgiab2/20140928_151615_zpsh6svrxsq.jpg
If your truck and trailer weighs more than 4760 ford says no. Can you do it? Probably. Will you damage anything? You could, but might not.


Do not exceed the GVWR or the GAWR specified on the Safety

Do not exceed the GVWR or the GAWR specified on the Safety http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/catalog/owner_guides/98ranog1e.pdf

Pg 82
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:36:54 AM EST
F'it....hook it up and test it out...
See how your truck handles.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 5:01:58 PM EST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBkr9gXvLI

Dude is doin' "just over 50 - we're cruisin!"
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Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?

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Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.
LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 6:13:57 PM EST
i might ease around town with it but no long distances.
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Originally Posted By brdvictim:
Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.

LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.
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Originally Posted By brdvictim:
Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?
Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.

LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.

My '98 K1500 Z71 is only rated to 5500#. Yep - no shit. Per the owner's manual.
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Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.
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Originally Posted By brdvictim:
Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?

Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.
LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.

I think mine can do 6K
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 9:20:34 PM EST
I'm running a 98 ford ranger splash with a 3.0 and a manual trans, I pull a 6x12 trailer with a dry weight of 900lbs. and have had a load of 1450 additional on it. Handled it fine. Truck and gearing is rated for 3250 and the trans is the limiting factor due to the clutch I believe. If there are any hills, your truck isn't going to be happy.
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Originally Posted By 94TBlazer:

My '98 K1500 Z71 is only rated to 5500#. Yep - no shit. Per the owner's manual.
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Originally Posted By 94TBlazer:
Originally Posted By brdvictim:
Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?
Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.

LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.

My '98 K1500 Z71 is only rated to 5500#. Yep - no shit. Per the owner's manual.
Make sure you aren't confusing gvwr and gcwr. Gvwr is the max weight that can be supported by the two axles of the truck. Gcwr is the combined total weight of truck and loaded trailer.

5500 may be the gvwr of a 1500, it is not the gcwr.
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Originally Posted By Detached:
I'm running a 98 ford ranger splash with a 3.0 and a manual trans, I pull a 6x12 trailer with a dry weight of 900lbs. and have had a load of 1450 additional on it. Handled it fine. Truck and gearing is rated for 3250 and the trans is the limiting factor due to the clutch I believe. If there are any hills, your truck isn't going to be happy.
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I'm seriously considering swapping in an explorer power train... 5.0 V8 and a 8.8 axle.

Then I'll be able to tow with the big boys!
Link Posted: 10/4/2014 8:09:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:


I'm seriously considering swapping in an explorer power train... 5.0 V8 and a 8.8 axle.

Then I'll be able to tow with the big boys!
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Originally Posted By Detached:
I'm running a 98 ford ranger splash with a 3.0 and a manual trans, I pull a 6x12 trailer with a dry weight of 900lbs. and have had a load of 1450 additional on it. Handled it fine. Truck and gearing is rated for 3250 and the trans is the limiting factor due to the clutch I believe. If there are any hills, your truck isn't going to be happy.


I'm seriously considering swapping in an explorer power train... 5.0 V8 and a 8.8 axle.

Then I'll be able to tow with the big boys!



No you won't.

Your brakes won't get any bigger, your wheelbase won't get any longer and your additional weight must come off the GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT.


Just trade the stupid thing in for a similar year xl f-150 it's not like the "extended cab" part of a ranger actually carries anything. Preferably with the big six. I'm sure you could straight trade someone on Facebook or Craigslist who like you think they will be saving or gaining anything with a "little" pickup.
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I'm seriously considering swapping in an explorer power train... 5.0 V8 and a 8.8 axle.

Then I'll be able to tow with the big boys!
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Originally Posted By Detached:
I'm running a 98 ford ranger splash with a 3.0 and a manual trans, I pull a 6x12 trailer with a dry weight of 900lbs. and have had a load of 1450 additional on it. Handled it fine. Truck and gearing is rated for 3250 and the trans is the limiting factor due to the clutch I believe. If there are any hills, your truck isn't going to be happy.


I'm seriously considering swapping in an explorer power train... 5.0 V8 and a 8.8 axle.

Then I'll be able to tow with the big boys!


Even if you could get a 01 or newer ranger with a 4.0 that would make a HUGE difference. They are rated up to 5500 with auto trans and rear end. Trade off is that the engine has timing chain issues. But I don't think it's worth the time and effort to do a swap on your current ranger.
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Make sure you aren't confusing gvwr and gcwr. Gvwr is the max weight that can be supported by the two axles of the truck. Gcwr is the combined total weight of truck and loaded trailer.

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Originally Posted By xd341:
Originally Posted By 94TBlazer:
Originally Posted By brdvictim:
Originally Posted By jeremy223:
It depends. What is the pulling vehicle, what type of trailer, what type of trailer brakes?
Seems a stretch to call something a truck, that can only pull 2450.

LOL, no shit. My blazer can do 5500#.

My '98 K1500 Z71 is only rated to 5500#. Yep - no shit. Per the owner's manual.
Make sure you aren't confusing gvwr and gcwr. Gvwr is the max weight that can be supported by the two axles of the truck. Gcwr is the combined total weight of truck and loaded trailer.

5500 may be the gvwr of a 1500, it is not the gcwr.


He's not. You can look right in the owners manual and read your tow rating based on engine and axle ratio.
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