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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:35:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 4:40:27 AM EST by nationwide]
What? What do you say??? Hogwash???

Well, ladies, you better tell that you yer congress critter, cuz W has it fast-tracked.

I know George Bush is our guy when it comes to Defense and Gun rights issues, but WTF???

He is slowing selling us out to Mexico. While I like Mexicans, they should work to make their own country a better place to live instead of FUCKING UP MINE!!!

THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT




Fact Sheet
Social Security
UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT
(Aquí en Español)

Totalization
Since the late 1970’s, the U.S. has established international social security agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries.

These international social security agreements are called “totalization agreements” and have two main purposes:

Eliminate dual social security taxation that occurs when a worker from one country works in another country and is required to pay social security taxes to both countries on the same earnings. As a result of existing totalization agreements, U.S. workers and employers currently are saving about $800 million annually in foreign taxes they do not have to pay.

Help fill gaps in benefit protection for workers who have divided their careers between the U.S. and another country, but who have not worked long enough in one or both countries to qualify for social security benefits. With totalization, workers are allowed to combine work credits from both countries to become eligible for benefits. The benefit amount paid is proportional to the amount of credits earned in the paying country.

An agreement with Mexico
An agreement with Mexico would save U.S. workers and their employers about $140 million in Mexican social security and health insurance taxes over the first 5 years of the agreement.

An agreement would also fill the gaps in benefit protection for U.S. workers who have worked in both countries, but not long enough in one or both countries to qualify for benefits.

Mexico is the second largest trading partner with the U.S. Agreements are already in effect with Canada, the largest trading partner with the U.S., and 19 other countries.

With Mexico, the U.S. now has signed agreements with eight of its top ten trading partners. Many of these agreements have been in effect for nearly two decades. The two exceptions are China and Taiwan. By law, the U.S. could not enter into agreements with these two countries because they do not have generally applicable social security systems that pay periodic benefits or the actuarial equivalent.
Costs of an agreement with Mexico
Social Security actuaries estimate that a totalization agreement with Mexico would have a negligible long-range effect on the Trust Funds.

Costs to the U.S. Social Security system are estimated to average about $105 million per year over the first five years. These costs are for additional benefits to eligible U.S. and Mexican workers and reduced Social Security tax contributions under the dual taxation exemption.

To put this in perspective, in 2002, costs to the U.S. system for the existing agreement with Canada were about $197 million.

Effective date of an agreement with Mexico
In the United States, once the agreement is signed, the President will submit the agreement to Congress where it must sit in review for 60 session days. If Congress takes no action during this time, the agreement can move forward.

In Mexico, once the agreement is signed, the Mexican Senate must approve it.

Countries already having totalization agreements with the U.S.
The United States currently has Social Security agreements with Canada, Chile, South Korea, Australia and most of Western Europe.

Country Effective Date Country Effective Date
Italy November 1, 1978 Portugal August 1, 1989
Germany December 1, 1979 Netherlands November 1, 1990
Switzerland November 1, 1980 Austria November 1, 1991
Belgium July 1, 1984 Finland November 1, 1992
Norway July 1, 1984 Ireland September 1, 1993
Canada August 1, 1984 Luxembourg November 1, 1993
United Kingdom January 1, 1985 Greece September 1, 1994
Sweden January 1, 1987 South Korea April 1, 2001
Spain April 1, 1988 Chile December 1, 2001
France July 1, 1988 Australia October 1, 2002



More detailed information about these totalization agreements can be found at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/.


(Toll-Free) 800-772-1213 www.socialsecurity.gov (Toll-Free) TTY 800-325-0778

June 2004

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:39:17 AM EST
um no
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:40:13 AM EST
Our country is doomed.
We can’t afford to pay SS to the baby boomers. What make them think we can pay it to immigration criminals?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:42:27 AM EST
Where's the "opt-in" selection? There's much better ways of making retirement income.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:43:14 AM EST
I have heard and seen some logic from those who support SS benefits leaving the country.

I do NOT agree with that policy however. Those laborers worked off the American market milk tit for many years. If they want to collect benefits - stay in country.

I am also of the opinion that even if Americans move out of the country they too, should not receive social security.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:46:19 AM EST
I'm a naturalized citizen, but my mom is a resident alien. We've been in the US for 20 years.

She's worked every day of her life and has busted her ass. I would hate to think anyone denying her the SS benefits she's paid into ever since coming here.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:43:44 AM EST
bump for the folks who didn't see it.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:47:05 AM EST
Wait - I'm confused.

Is this for ILLEGAL aliens, or for LEGAL resident aliens?

Your title says illegal, but I'm not sure that's what the story is about.



I'm a legal resident alien, and I pay tons into Social security. If I'm not going to get it back, they should not be taking it out of MY pay.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:50:41 AM EST
We don't need any more aliens, legal or not.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:54:17 AM EST
How about if we throw them out of the fucking country instead? I think I like that idea better!
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:02:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I'm a naturalized citizen, but my mom is a resident alien. We've been in the US for 20 years.

She's worked every day of her life and has busted her ass. I would hate to think anyone denying her the SS benefits she's paid into ever since coming here.



This is a good point. She should be able to draw benefits when retirement age comes. She is here legally, and has actually paid in. I DO HOWEVER HAVE A PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGALS DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY OR GIVING THEM DRIVER'S LISCENSES.....ETC...
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:04:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By nationwide:
What? What do you say??? Hogwash???

Well, ladies, you better tell that you yer congress critter, cuz W has it fast-tracked.

I know George Bush is our guy when it comes to Defense and Gun rights issues, but WTF???

He is slowing selling us out to Mexico. While I like Mexicans, they should work to make their own country a better place to live instead of FUCKING UP MINE!!!

THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT
...
June 2004



Read it again nationwide...

This is about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not illegals.

It's about LEGAL mexican workers who work here not having to pay their SS tax and ours, and vice versa....

Has nothin to do with illegal immigrants, unless you consider all mexicans illegals...
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:05:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I'm a naturalized citizen, but my mom is a resident alien. We've been in the US for 20 years.

She's worked every day of her life and has busted her ass. I would hate to think anyone denying her the SS benefits she's paid into ever since coming here.



This is a good point. She should be able to draw benefits when retirement age comes. She is here legally, and has actually paid in. I DO HOWEVER HAVE A PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGALS DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY OR GIVING THEM DRIVER'S LISCENSES.....ETC...



THIS IS ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ONLY. READ THE FACT SHEET
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:10:02 AM EST
The pole is broken... there was no toss there illegal ass out of the country option. As for giving them social security hell no! It wont even be around when I reach that age! we do more then enough for the god damn foigners as it is..when I went to the dmv for my drivers permit about 5 years ago the permit handbook was available in over 20 languages! If they cant read engilsh how can they read the street signs? When I was in mexico on vacation everything was in spanish...if you didnt like it too bad, they dont see a need for changing why should we?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:11:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By nationwide:
What? What do you say??? Hogwash???

Well, ladies, you better tell that you yer congress critter, cuz W has it fast-tracked.

I know George Bush is our guy when it comes to Defense and Gun rights issues, but WTF???

He is slowing selling us out to Mexico. While I like Mexicans, they should work to make their own country a better place to live instead of FUCKING UP MINE!!!

THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT
...
June 2004



Read it again nationwide...

This is about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not illegals.

It's about LEGAL mexican workers who work here not having to pay their SS tax and ours, and vice versa....

Has nothin to do with illegal immigrants, unless you consider all mexicans illegals...



Mexiacns lie on their w4s, I have had 18 yo legals working for me claim 9-12 dependants so they don't have to pay. All the ones i have ever hired do this.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:20:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By nationwide:
What? What do you say??? Hogwash???

Well, ladies, you better tell that you yer congress critter, cuz W has it fast-tracked.

I know George Bush is our guy when it comes to Defense and Gun rights issues, but WTF???

He is slowing selling us out to Mexico. While I like Mexicans, they should work to make their own country a better place to live instead of FUCKING UP MINE!!!

THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT
...
June 2004



Read it again nationwide...

This is about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not illegals.

It's about LEGAL mexican workers who work here not having to pay their SS tax and ours, and vice versa....

Has nothin to do with illegal immigrants, unless you consider all mexicans illegals...



Mexiacns lie on their w4s, I have had 18 yo legals working for me claim 9-12 dependants so they don't have to pay. All the ones i have ever hired do this.



Which is allready illegal and has no bearing on the above...

They are still liable for taxes at the end of the year, and can still be busted for tax evasion...

I bet plenty of non-mexicans do it too...
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:25:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Which is allready illegal and has no bearing on the above...

They are still liable for taxes at the end of the year, and can still be busted for tax evasion...

I bet plenty of non-mexicans do it too...




You think God-fearing American citizens would even consider stooping to CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES ???? Shame on you!


Link Posted: 9/9/2004 2:58:17 PM EST
Dave_A,

What about the millions of Mexicans who come here illegally then gain status at some point (due to having a child here, for example).

Foreign taxes paid in any amout should have no impact on a benefit someone gets here.

If they come here legally or illegally and work, they should not be allowed to take that benefit for taxes paid to another Gov't.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:02:39 PM EST
what are we thinking? I'll have no retirement for sure. It's up to me alone to save for retirement. If I ever reach that part of my life. I always thought I would but at the age 36 I start to wonder now if retirement is even possible. The Airlines are in soo much trouble the light at the end of the tunnel is bleak
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:03:34 PM EST
wtf?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:07:42 PM EST
Give it to one and all! The sooner it collapses, the sooner government will get out of the business of providing retirement income for people. That should ONLY be done by the private sector.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:11:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 3:12:08 PM EST by DWFAN]
What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand?


If they are ILLEGAL, how are they paying into the system
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:31:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By DWFAN:
What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand?




YOU MEAN WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DOESN'T PRESIDENT BUSH UNDERSTAND !!!


Yeah Yeah I'm voting for him but he's still a Liberal on Many Issues
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