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Apparently, Pastor Jack Brock and his sheeple, were persuaded to burn the Harry Potter books in a "holy bonfire" in Almoragoro NM – almost 2002 AD!
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:15:45 PM EDT
almost 2002 AD! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:20:39 PM EDT
Let me see, are they burning books they've stolen from a Jewish library, like the Nazis, or are they burning books that have been bought and paid for, either by themselves or by willing participants?
If the books belong to them, they have every right to burn them, for whatever reason they desire! Hell, they don't even have to have a reason!
It's a fine mess we've come to in this country, when you can burn the flag without much ado, but if you burn a book that you disagree with, now you're a friggin Nazi!
Eric The(HelpUsLord)Hun[>]:)]
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:27:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Eric The(HelpUsLord)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:39:27 PM EDT
If the books belong to them, they have every right to burn them, for whatever reason they desire! Hell, they don't even have to have a reason! It's a fine mess we've come to in this country, when you can burn the flag without much ado, but if you burn a book that you disagree with, now you're a friggin Nazi! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:44:28 PM EDT
Wait just a minute, when did we ever [u]agree[/u] that folks couldn't do whatever they want to with their own property?
It may be stupid, it may be indefensible, but it's perfectly legal!
Eric The(SoWhatElseIsNew?)Hun[>]:)]
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:50:11 PM EDT
Wait just a minute, when did we ever agree that folks couldn't do whatever they want to with their own property? It may be stupid, it may be indefensible, but it's perfectly legal! |
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:54:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
... it's perfectly legal!
Eric The(SoWhatElseIsNew?)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:54:38 PM EDT
Eric, I think you are muddying the waters. Just because something is legal doesn't make it smart or ethical.
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Posted: 1/3/2002 7:56:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Just because something is legal doesn't make it smart or ethical. |
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MEX
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Posted: 1/3/2002 8:33:02 PM EDT
There might be more twixt legal brief and court ruling than you have ever dreamt on Eric!
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2002 8:37:20 PM EDT
".....You can burn the flag without much ado...."? Not around here.
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Posted: 1/3/2002 9:04:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2002 9:06:59 PM EDT by The_Macallan]
"morons"?
"stupid"?
"indefensible"?
Wow! What ever happened to freedom of expression? Are we Amerika now?
So these people show their distaste for Harry Potter by burning a few books as a DEMONSTRATION of their feelings.
Why all the criticism of that?
Would you have criticized them if they had burned a copy of "The Man From Hope", "It Takes A Village", pamphlets from Sarah Brady's HCI or Osama-in-effigy?
It's just a form of expression - Geez,
[b]Lighten up people![/b] [whacko]
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Posted: 1/3/2002 9:14:54 PM EDT
Hey, I just call 'em like I see 'em.
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MEX
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Posted: 1/3/2002 9:30:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2002 9:33:38 PM EDT by stcyr]
So; Macallan, I can, with your blessing, go and publically burn a bunch of Bibles to protest that its defence and propagation has led to more bloodshed than probably any other publication – Right?
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Posted: 1/3/2002 9:38:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stcyr:
So, Macallan, i can, with your blessing, go publically burn a bunch of Bibles in protest – Right? |
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MEX
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Posted: 1/3/2002 10:28:22 PM EDT
Okay Macallan!
It may not seem like it but I respect your views. Let's just agree that we simply don't see the world the same way.
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Posted: 1/3/2002 10:32:41 PM EDT
LOL, you guys remind me of a dog chasing his tail. Around and around and around . . . ad infinitum.
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MEX
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Posted: 1/3/2002 11:01:11 PM EDT
But if you don't make the effort, you may never get any tail at all!
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Posted: 1/4/2002 1:07:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stcyr:
Apparently, Pastor Jack Brock and his sheeple, were persuaded to burn the Harry Potter books in a "holy bonfire" in Almoragoro NM – almost 2002 AD! |
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MEX
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Posted: 1/4/2002 1:47:36 AM EDT
Been there, done that years and years ago!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 3:41:52 AM EDT
I got into this discussion on another board yesterday. Rather than retyping all of my thoughts...here's the link:
[url]http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/cgi-bin/fff/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000943&counterhit=yes[/url]
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 3:52:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
it may be indefensible,
Eric The(SoWhatElseIsNew?)Hun[>]:)] |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 4:27:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
LOL, you guys remind me of a dog chasing his tail. Around and around and around . . . ad infinitum. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 4:37:50 AM EDT
I once burned a match book.
Was that bad???
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 5:37:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
I once burned a match book.
Was that bad???
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 5:41:21 AM EDT
What's the point of burning books? First, when you buy the books, you're putting money in the pockets of the very people whose ideas offend you. And then, when you have a public bonfire, far fewer observers will think "Those books must be bad" than will think "Those people must be idiots".
Book burners look foolish because they appear to be resorting to attacks on inanimate objects as a substitute for being able to attack their real enemy, the ideas the books contain.
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Posted: 1/4/2002 5:44:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
What's the point of burning books? First, when you buy the books, you're putting money in the pockets of the very people whose ideas offend you. And then, when you have a public bonfire, far fewer observers will think "Those books must be bad" than will think "Those people must be idiots".
Book burners look foolish because they appear to be resorting to attacks on inanimate objects as a substitute for being able to attack their real enemy, the ideas the books contain. |
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Posted: 1/4/2002 5:46:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
I once burned a match book.
Was that bad???
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 5:55:24 AM EDT
Whether or not one is burning one's own books, there is always a sinister implication of intent to control what others read.
Or maybe it's "look ma, my IQ's lower than Buddy the dog". I never did understand those thumb sucking idiots. Falwell fodder.
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:14:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl:
.. "look ma, my IQ's lower than Buddy the dog". |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:34:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl:
Whether or not one is burning one's own books, there is always a sinister implication of intent to control what others read. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:37:20 AM EDT
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fiction!!!!! run! run away! terrible, horrible, life-threatening fiction!!!!!
[rolleyes]
what are they afraid of? that reading fiction could lead to dancing???
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:41:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fatty:
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fiction!!!!! run! run away! terrible, horrible, life-threatening fiction!!!!!
[rolleyes]
what are they afraid of? that reading fiction could lead to dancing???
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:49:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By a3kid:
Originally Posted By fatty:
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fiction!!!!! run! run away! terrible, horrible, life-threatening fiction!!!!!
[rolleyes]
what are they afraid of? that reading fiction could lead to dancing???
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:50:59 AM EDT
Here's how the story ran in the Alamagordo News - see if you can find any allusions to Nazis, [b]Observer[/b]!
[url]http://www.alamogordonews.com/Stories/0,1002,9596%257E307653,00.html[/url]
I counted three direct references to Nazis!
So that's the 'thread' I'm reading.
Sorry to hear about the Complete Works of Shakespeare being burned, but I think the Bard's reputation is safe among those of us who value Western Civilization!
Why do the heathen rage?
Eric The(Toothless)Hun[>]:)]
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:51:07 AM EDT
Private groups burning thier own property -- thats thier business Its when they try to extend that to other peoples books and property that it becomes a problem. All it does is show how small minded and insecure they are if they were truly Christian they would be secure in the rightousness and supremacy of thier god to know that no fairy tale or devil worshiper could ever hope to unseat or diminish him. And that the christanity should seek to glorify and build in Gods name and not destroy or surpress. Jesus spoke of love of your fellow man not hate. It is man who introduced hate and destruction into God's word Men use religion as a control metohd just as dictators and cultists do. God is freedom and knowledge and love and power-- not fear and repression and control those things come from men and preachers are men too.
Farenheit 451 applies when the STATE assumes control of information dissemination and declares books and by way of them independant political thought illegal -- total allegiance to the state is the only acceptable mindset.And all sparks of dissention must be snuffed before they start a larger fire in the mind. That wave has already begun -- parent and religous groups combing school libraries for "offensive" books to be banned through political pressure on administrators has been the norm for years now and will continue.
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Posted: 1/4/2002 6:55:33 AM EDT
I'm with Osprey....
"Farenheit 451"
I'm also with the poster who said "Teach the kids that there is fiction and non-fiction".
I just think that it is everyone's right to do as they will with their property, but I worry that the liberal media will glorify such extremes so that the Sheeple will consider it a good thing and next thing you know we'll get the knock on the door "I want your Stephen King and Dean Koontz books because they contain supernatural references!" And right behind the fricking bible-bangers stands a guy with 4473 forms with YOUR NAME ON THEM!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:01:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fatty:
Originally Posted By a3kid:
Originally Posted By fatty:
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fiction!!!!! run! run away! terrible, horrible, life-threatening fiction!!!!!
[rolleyes]
what are they afraid of? that reading fiction could lead to dancing???
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:02:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By a3kid:
Originally Posted By fatty:
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!! fiction!!!!! run! run away! terrible, horrible, life-threatening fiction!!!!!
[rolleyes]
what are they afraid of? that reading fiction could lead to dancing???
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:02:32 AM EDT
Yes, [b]offctr[/b], I agree with you almost entirely, but the problem becomes what are parents to do when their state tax-supported school has adopted a 'religion' that is just as offensive to them as their's must be to the State.
In other words, why is there such a movement to put 'Heather Has Two Mommies' into the reach of young impressionable children, unless it is their 'Gospel According to Dworkin'?
Quite frankly, I'm glad to see Christians on the offensive against what they perceive to be a corruption in State-supported and approved religion in the guise of human secularism.
If they sometimes act irrationally, well, what should you expect?
They are human, after all, but they are apparently the [u]only[/u] humans whose foibles and frailities are not to be forgiven!
Murderers, rapists, gun control advocates, et al, can [u]always[/u] be forgiven, but never, ever can fundamental Christians!
Well, at least not in this world...
Eric The(ForeWarned&ForeArmedChristian)Hun[>]:)]
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:03:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fatty:
don't fear words, they can't hurt you. |
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:05:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By fatty:
don't fear words, they can't hurt you. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:10:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
It may be stupid, it may be indefensible, but it's perfectly legal!
Eric The(SoWhatElseIsNew?)Hun[>]:)] |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:10:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
In no way can the public burning of books by the religious right be good for the religious right.
Or any other conservative. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:11:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By a3kid:
You see Fatty, to me it isn't an issue of whether a specific book will adversely effect a child or not. It's an issue of whether those parents are free to raise their children as they see fit, or whether people like [u]yourself[/u] ought to make those decisions for them. For all the bitching and whining we do around her about freedom, [b]some[/b] of us are sure quick to forget that that is supposed to apply to everybody. |
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:13:17 AM EDT
The state by definition CANNOT act in the intrests of the individual. Therefore when pearents cede thier childrens upbringing to the state or religious authourity the outcome should not surprise them.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:14:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2002 7:25:04 AM EDT by EricTheHun]
Post from 5subslr5 -
In no way can the public burning of books by the religious right be good for the religious right. Or any other conservative. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:18:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fatty:
i think you missed the point, i am not condoning NOR criticizing the actual burning. you are free to raise your kids how you see fit. they are free to burn books.
i am, however, criticizing their CHOICE to burn these books, i mean, its fiction, but i guess if you can't teach your kids the difference between fact and fiction, i guess book burnings are for you!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:18:48 AM EDT
Post from tinker -
Ah, the Al Gore defense! Sounds an awful lot like "no controlling legal authority" to me. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2002 7:23:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
In no way can the public burning of books by the religious right be good for the religious right.
Or any other conservative. But that is ALL that he is - an idiot. NOT the anti-Constitutionalist, facist, Nazi, biggoted, hatemongering, balding, anal killjoy that SOME want to make him look like. He's just a harmless idiot. But some people like to put idiots down to make themselves look better. Well congratulations to them - they are smarter than an idiot.
THAT is my point.
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